Do you really expect this to be a good team?

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Wrangler87;4660066 said:
?..this team is riddled with china dolls, other than Witten and maybe Romo. I would be suprised if either Bryant or Austin starts the first game. It's just a matter of which quarter of the Giants game that Murray gets hurt. Claiborne is already nursing minor injuries. Does anyone expect Lee to miss less than three or four games? Morgan?

I'm not trying to be negative, but ...

lol!!
 

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I believe we are the same team which went 7-4.

I'm hoping we upgraded the team which went 1-4.
 

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Ren;4661677 said:
Ok Hostile you win, Cowboys will go the the SB this year, Happy?
Is your only avenue hyperbole? It cheapens any point you might have had. Just food for thought.

Personally i see a schedule with the AFC central on it as much harder then what we had to play last year. I really don't care what the numbers say, if Arizona won a few more games last year then Carolina did it won't make the Ravens much easier to deal with this year
Hence why I asked you what you were basing that off of.

Last year we played a total of 4 teams that ended the season with a winning record

This year we'll play 6 that made the playoffs last season as well as a always tough NFCE

IMO the only (should be) easy games on the schedule is Browns, Bucks and Seahawks.

While prior to last season we where looking at the 7 game stretch in middle of the schedule and drooling, putting W's next to everyone but Philly
There are so many flaws in this it isn't funny.
 

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We have a terribly difficult schedule this season. Regardless, barring a rash of injuries to key players, I see us going 10-6 or 11-5. You can call me a homer or whatever, but we have a very talented (there's that word again) team at key spots. No team in perfect anymore due to the salary cap and free agency. Yes, we have some concerns. So does every other team in the league. If we can avoid serious injuries and our OL can play at least average, we should be good to do. I'll be very surprised and disappointed if our defense isn't greatly improved.
 

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Way too early to tell.

Recent history and the schedule don't bode well, but a lot can change in this watered-down league in a hurry.
 

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wick;4659160 said:
I like to think I'm pretty objective, and when I look at the 2012 Dallas Cowboys, I see the ingredients for a very poor season. There are just far too many holes and unaddressed needs to think this team is going to compete for the playoffs. Both lines are more or less disasters at this point, the wide receivers are china dolls, and there's hardly any depth throughout the roster.

This is looking like a 6-10 kind of team to me and worse than the team I predicted would be 7-9 or 8-8 last year, which ended up being correct. I know that it's not a popular opinion, but what exactly do you see if you think this team will be better?

Doom on you... DOOM ON YOU!!:nervous:

Wow. Not even a PS game and the season is over. Although i can certainly understand your frustration (we all have wondered about the o-line and lack of addressing... although Mack and Livings were SOMETHING to feel good about) with the center postition, we have to think that the coaching staff know something we dont. And if not, well i guess they just $uck at their jobs. IMO defense (ILB, corner, safety) was our achilies heel last year and its been addressed. The O-line, AT THE VERY LEAST, wont be any worse than last year as switching Tyron and Free will help. I know things look bleek, but really... WE ARE ALL JUST READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL and are getting a little impatient.:star:
 

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Star4Ever;4661737 said:
We have a terribly difficult schedule this season. Regardless, barring a rash of injuries to key players, I see us going 10-6 or 11-5. You can call me a homer or whatever, but we have a very talented (there's that word again) team at key spots. No team in perfect anymore due to the salary cap and free agency. Yes, we have some concerns. So does every other team in the league. If we can avoid serious injuries and our OL can play at least average, we should be good to do. I'll be very surprised and disappointed if our defense isn't greatly improved.

Talent at "key" spots? Yes, highly visible positions. Unfortunately, we don't have any talent at the most important positions (other than QB), offensive and defensive line. Whoops. This team is headed towards disaster, much in the way the team did in the opener against the Eagles in which Joey Galloway tore his Achilles, Aikman was knocked out with a concussion and the Eagles laid it to us in humiliating fashion. That team had nice players at some skill positions too, and we were fooled into believing it made us a good team. We are going against a very similar team in the home opener this year, except maybe even better than that Philly team. A very well-coached SB defending team with a fearsome pass rush. This year, Miles Austin will play the role of Joey Galloway and hurt his hammy, rendering him virtually useless for the rest of the year, Romo will get destroyed by the Giants pass rush and get knocked out of the game, and Jason Garrett will play the role of Dave Campo, a former assistant who pretends to be head coach because Jerry wants guys who will cater to his every request.
 

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Wow Wick with some negativity never would of thought it could happen/ sarcasm off
 

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cowboys2233;4661806 said:
Talent at "key" spots? Yes, highly visible positions. Unfortunately, we don't have any talent at the most important positions (other than QB), offensive and defensive line. Whoops. This team is headed towards disaster, much in the way the team did in the opener against the Eagles in which Joey Galloway tore his Achilles, Aikman was knocked out with a concussion and the Eagles laid it to us in humiliating fashion. That team had nice players at some skill positions too, and we were fooled into believing it made us a good team. We are going against a very similar team in the home opener this year, except maybe even better than that Philly team. A very well-coached SB defending team with a fearsome pass rush. This year, Miles Austin will play the role of Joey Galloway and hurt his hammy, rendering him virtually useless for the rest of the year, Romo will get destroyed by the Giants pass rush and get knocked out of the game, and Jason Garrett will play the role of Dave Campo, a former assistant who pretends to be head coach because Jerry wants guys who will cater to his every request.

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but your isn't very good as far as I'm concerned. So, we don't have ANY talent on either of our lines? Seriously? Tyron Smith isn't one of the best young (and I mean real young) offensive tackles in the league? Free isn't above average? We don't know about our interior line yet because we haven't seen them. I guess your eye for talent trumpts those of the Cowboy's front office and coaches. No talent on the DL? Again, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're very wrong here. Most people that know little about football only look at stats. People that have a clue know linemen in the 3-4 don't pile up lots of stats. They eat up blockers and free up the linebackers to clean up on the stats. Ware cleans up pretty well. I expect our DL to be much improved this year. We're getting younger there with guys that have good motors. Maybe I'll be the one that ends up wrong, but I wouldn't bet on it.
 

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Star4Ever;4661869 said:
Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but your isn't very good as far as I'm concerned. So, we don't have ANY talent on either of our lines? Seriously? Tyron Smith isn't one of the best young (and I mean real young) offensive tackles in the league? Free isn't above average? We don't know about our interior line yet because we haven't seen them. I guess your eye for talent trumpts those of the Cowboy's front office and coaches. No talent on the DL? Again, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're very wrong here.

Here's the thing about an offensive line. One guy here, one guy there doesn't make it effective in any way, shape or form. You have to have decent guys at nearly all positions because they, above all other units on a team, HAVE to have cohesion. Yes, Tyron is awesome, a great find. If defensive lines are blasting up the middle and destroying Romo in about two seconds, it will matter very little that Tyron has pushed his guy out of the way. Are you really using the Cowboys' front office when trying to make your point? The same front office that thought it was a good idea to give up the world for Roy Williams? I knew that was a HORRIFIC mistake from day one, so yeah, maybe I do know more. Yes, no talent on the D-line. Exactly who is it that you're blown away by? An undersized, aging Ratliff? Who else? The multiple JAGS who have shown absolutely nothing up to this point?
 

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If you call 7-9/ 8-8 and not making the postseason and being 3rd in the nfc east good. Then hells ya we're gonna be all kinds of goodz!!! Hopefully we're better but this is what i see.
 

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Wr - this is a concern because none of the back-ups can step in and play one of the two main positions. So if injury strikes - at this juncture - we are playing guys that sit because of a reason.

TE is solid. Witten makes that so. Let's hope Phillips comes into his own this season with Marty B out of the way.

OL - injuries are starting to pile up. No proven center. We have shuffled the two tackles, and while I believe this will pay dividends, it will not immediately. There will be a learning curve for both.

Our running game will be predicated on our line. If they are sub par, can Murray overcome that with his talent? That will be tough.

Romo again will be running for his life. Married with the question marks at WR other than Dez and Miles, this makes for a shaky season at this point.

Safety - Sensabaugh is fair. Church beat out Poole but did he or did they send a message? At any rate I don't see this team making quantum strides at safety.

Corner seems a strong suit. Seems is the key phrase here. Carr appears to be everything this team wanted and needed. Clai-boi will be a stud, but not at first. I still am not convinced Scandrick isn't overrated.

So this may come down to Jenkins at first. And right now he can't play.

Linebackers - love em, except Spence. Hopefully Ryan can create some pressure in different ways.

DL - Ratt has Planters Peanuts of the foot. He will be nursed through the season. Not much else different on this line than last year. Interior pressure is not their strong suit.

So the way the defense will create pressure is blitzes and the secondary being able to cover.

That is a feast or famine style of defense. Some days you are the bug, some days you eat the bear.

The schedule is murders row. Anyone who looks at that and doesn't see we have a very tough schedule isn't giving it full weight.

So with all those question marks being over .500 seems to be an uphill climb.

I'll make a prediction later in the preseason when I have seen individuals play. And if these guys can bring in a WR with any skills.

But right now this looks like third in the NFC East, and no play-offs.
 

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TwoDeep3;4661946 said:
Wr - this is a concern because none of the back-ups cab step in and play one of the two main positions. So if injury strikes - at this juncture - we are playing guys that sit because of a reason.

TE is solid. Witten makes that so. Let's hope Phillips comes into his own this season with Marty B out of the way.

OL - injuries are starting to pile up. No proven center. We have shuffled the two tackles, and while I believe this will pay dividends, it will not immediately. There will be a learning curve for both.

Our running game will be predicated on our line. If they are sub par, can Murray overcome that with his talent? That will be tough.

Romo again will be running for his life. Married with the question marks at WR other than Dez and Miles, this makes for a shaky season at this point.

Safety - Sensabaugh is fair. Church beat out Poole but did he or did they send a message? At any rate I don't see this team making quantum strides at safety.

Corner seems a strong suit. Seems is the key phrase here. Carr appears to be everything this team wanted and needed. Clai-boi will be a stud, but not at first. I still am not convinced Scandrick isn't overrated.

So this may come down to Jenkins at first. And right now he can't play.

Linebackers - love em, except Spence. Hopefully Ryan can create some pressure in different ways.

DL - Ratt has Planters Peanuts of the foot. He will be nursed through the season. Not much else different on this line than last year. Interior pressure is not their strong suit.

So the way the defense will create pressure is blitzes and the secondary being able to cover.

That is a feast or famine style of defense. Some days you are the bug, some days you eat the bear.

The schedule is murders row. Anyone who looks at that and doesn't see we have a very tough schedule isn't giving it full weight.

So with all those question marks being over .500 seems to be an uphill climb.

I'll make a prediction later in the preseason when I have seen individuals play. And if these guys can bring in a WR with any skills.

But right now this looks like third in the NFC East, and no play-offs.


Good write up and very detailed!!! U explained why 8-8 seems imminent and i didnt wanna write that much. Lol
 

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wick;4659203 said:
Well, I think injuries to Bryant and Austin are foregone conclusions. Romo is probably due to miss some games like he does every other season. The backs are injury prone. I just don't see what you guys are seeing, apparently. It just looks like a bad football team to me. The ineffectiveness of both lines will go a long way toward reducing the effectiveness of the skill players on both sides of the ball.
This is absolutely ridiculous, nothing is forgone conclusion. It seems you want the injuries to occur just so you can be right.

If injuries happens then it happens but you shouldn't count it as absolute occurrence to a specific player. SMDH :rolleyes:
 

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I do. I expect 10-6. I think both OT's will be fine. I also HOPE others have improved over last year, which is what is supposed to happen. I love what we have done in the secondary. I am very concerned with these WR's and their hammys. I don't get that other than "bad luck?" We lost a lot of games last year because of injury and still, at the end of the day, had a chance to get in the playoffs.
 

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03EBZ06;4661975 said:
This is absolutely ridiculous, nothing is forgone conclusion. It seems you want the injuries to occur just so you can be right.

If injuries happens then it happens but you shouldn't count it as absolute occurrence to a specific player. SMDH :rolleyes:

I don't know, I kind of agree with everything Wick posted. It is what it is. The team is littered with china dolls and I don't see anyway the above listed players don't end up injured for part or most of the season. Austin, Murray, Felix, Lee, Morgan, Bryant, and even Romo to a small degree. It's not if, it's when. A couple of them will probably start the season injured.
 

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sureletsrace;4659188 said:
Wait.

So Hatcher, Lissemore, Crawford, Geathers, Brent are all junk?

Bernadeau, Livings, Kowalski, Free are all junk?

Wow. Thanks for enlightening me. I thought they were solid to good players.

We're doomed.

I bet you a million dollars that if they were on the Commanders you'd call them junk...lol Every single one of these guys have to prove themselves. We're not "doomed" but you have to be honest with yourself here.
 

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10-6 is my prediction. I think this defense has a wounded ego right now with the way last season went. I think they show some pride and play tough defense this year.

I am more concerned about the offense. I was really looking forward to this team becoming more proficient in the red zone. Not sure if that is likely with the inferior oline play. The oline is the main component holding back this team imo.
 

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Wrangler87;4661995 said:
I don't know, I kind of agree with everything Wick posted. It is what it is. The team is littered with china dolls and I don't see anyway the above listed players don't end up injured for part or most of the season. Austin, Murray, Felix, Lee, Morgan, Bryant, and even Romo to a small degree. It's not if, it's when. A couple of them will probably start the season injured.
I don't care if you agree with him or not, don't make any difference to me.

All teams faces injuries during the course of the season but banking on certain player's injury is pretty silly to me.
 

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FRankly this o line is gonna cost us. Romo can make any receiver look good with enough time to look down field. With this O Line he wont be able to do that. Sorry Romo Witten and Ware ... doesnt look like you will be playing in any SBs soon .. if at all.
 
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