Do you take Jernigan, Barr, Ealy, Martin, Lewan, or Gilbert?

[Zordon]

They have to bring Lewan in and do a full psychological examination and find out if he is mildly crazy or destructively crazy.

I'd rather him be a little crazy than a little lazy on film like Barr.

 

[XDez88BeastX]

Barr Lewan
Gilbert
Ealy
Martin
Jernagin

 

[DallasBlockersClub]

Lewan
Barr
Jernigan
Ealy
Martin
Gilbert

 

[packpitts]

Barr

 

[starfrombirth]

Barr isn't being drafted off of film production. He is being drafted as a projection. You have to consider how far he has come as a pass rusher in the short time frame he was given to to develop. Most prospects will have at least one year remaining to refine their position. Barr moved from RB to DE and only played defense for 2 years.

Sturm admits that he has no idea how to do projections.

I hear what you are saying but he mentioned somethings that concern me because I was thinking the same thing:

I have no problem confessing that the more tape I watch of Barr, the less confident I am in where we are headed. I don't like his power at all. He just doesn't look like he is able to navigate with power against a tackle, which is the match-up of choice in most situations.

he would put more weight and strength on his frame, because if I put him there now, it is going to be ugly against the run.

Yes it's snipping to corroborate my point the concerns are still solid.

 

[xwalker]

I hear what you are saying but he mentioned somethings that concern me because I was thinking the same thing:

I have no problem confessing that the more tape I watch of Barr, the less confident I am in where we are headed. I don't like his power at all. He just doesn't look like he is able to navigate with power against a tackle, which is the match-up of choice in most situations.
he would put more weight and strength on his frame, because if I put him there now, it is going to be ugly against the run.

Yes it's snipping to corroborate my point the concerns are still solid.

I mention it in another post, but Marinelli didn't require much run defense from Ware. He had him crashing inside or jumping outside with no requirement to hold the edge. When they want to set a hard edge against the run on that side they would bring in DE/DT Jarius Wynn.

 

[Nirvana]

Lewan

 

[DTown214]

Am I the only one who isn't very high on Jernigan?

I'd definitly take Barr and Ealy before him

 

[AKATheRake]

Barr than Lewan

 

[TheSport78]

I honestly don't understand the hype with Barr. He didn't play DE exclusively at UCLA and he isn't a pure pass rusher. The Cowboys will NOT draft a SAM lb in the first round. They need players who can get the quarterback. I want a player who played DE in college, such as Dee Ford or Scott Crichton. I'm passing on Barr and I'd take Lewan.

 

[Risen Star]

I honestly don't understand the hype with Barr. He didn't play DE exclusively at UCLA and he isn't a pure pass rusher. The Cowboys will NOT draft a SAM lb in the first round. They need players who can get the quarterback. I want a player who played DE in college, such as Dee Ford or Scott Crichton. I'm passing on Barr and I'd take Lewan.

He's got 23 sacks in the two years he played on defense. I'd say he's got some pass rush skills to work with.

 

[Leadbelly]

Am I the only one who isn't very high on Jernigan?

I'd definitly take Barr and Ealy before him

I'm not high on him either but I think he's a safe, solid DT and if you only draft a DL high when he has no warts, then you end up in the position we're in with a thin, talentless DL. We're not drafting in the top 10. Sometimes beggars can't be choosers and solid has to be enough. Jernigan may be the best DL we can end up with.

Honestly though, I'd have Tuitt and Hageman rated ahead of both Jernigan and Ealy.

 

[TheSport78]

He's got 23 sacks in the two years he played on defense. I'd say he's got some pass rush skills to work with.

As an outside linebacker. I'm not drafting a guy in the 1st round who will be making a position change on a defense that has unknowns on every level (DL, LB, secondary). Nope. I want a productive player who's played DE in college. I'd take Dee Ford or Scott Crichton over Barr at DE. Barr eerily reminds me of Vernon Gholston.

 

[Risen Star]

As an outside linebacker. I'm not drafting a guy in the 1st round who will be making a position change on a defense that has unknowns on every level (DL, LB, secondary). Nope. I want a productive player who's played DE in college. I'd take Dee Ford or Scott Crichton over Barr at DE. Barr eerily reminds me of Vernon Gholston.

I'm not concerned about that at all. In fact, I want a versatile defender in case we get out of this inferior scheme and back to a 3-4.

You get 23 sacks your first two years on defense and you have serious pass rush skills. You've got tools that DL coaches in the NFL will covet. That's why he's a top 20 pick and will definitely get drafted before Ford or Crichton. He's got more upside.

 

[TheSport78]

I'm not concerned about that at all. In fact, I want a versatile defender in case we get out of this inferior scheme and back to a 3-4.

You get 23 sacks your first two years on defense and you have serious pass rush skills. You've got tools that DL coaches in the NFL will covet. That's why he's a top 20 pick and will definitely get drafted before Ford or Crichton. He's got more upside.

I think he would fit perfectly on a 3-4 defense or a 4-3 scheme that's all-around solid right now. I don't think he would make much of an impact this year in Dallas, and I'd have concerns about the position change, mainly because he hasn't played DE before.

 

[Kaiser]

Sturm admits that he has no idea how to do projections. I cannot say that I do either. I do not know enough about teaching defensive line to see the progression. I think in Barr you defer to Marinelli and others who do know this type of thing.

That's what it comes down to me, I love the idea of taking a lightning quick WDE at 16 but when I looked at a couple of game tapes Barr really didn't stand out, much less look like a guy that goes at 16. I can't get over the nagging fear we would be drafting an Underwear Olympian but its all about the evaluation of Marinelli and McClay just like you say.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think he would fit perfectly on a 3-4 defense or a 4-3 scheme that's all-around solid right now. I don't think he would make much of an impact this year in Dallas, and I'd have concerns about the position change, mainly because he hasn't played DE before.

you could easily get him on the field for 75% of snaps by putting him in the nickel package and mixing him in at WDE with some personnel groupings with the base. He has edged rushed out of the nickel a whole lot.

 

[DTown214]

I'm not high on him either but I think he's a safe, solid DT and if you only draft a DL high when he has no warts, then you end up in the position we're in with a thin, talentless DL. We're not drafting in the top 10. Sometimes beggars can't be choosers and solid has to be enough. Jernigan may be the best DL we can end up with.

Honestly though, I'd have Tuitt and Hageman rated ahead of both Jernigan and Ealy.

Yup, I like Tuitt as well. Is it possible he can fall to us in the second round? I also like Louis Nix III. He can be a Vince Wilfork type of player.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Lewan
Barr
Jernigan
Ealy
Martin
Gilbert

YUUUP!

 

[starfrombirth]

I mention it in another post, but Marinelli didn't require much run defense from Ware. He had him crashing inside or jumping outside with no requirement to hold the edge. When they want to set a hard edge against the run on that side they would bring in DE/DT Jarius Wynn.

I understand that but at some point we have to start making an effort to stop the run ... especially if the rush isn't getting there on passing situations. I don't mean any disrespect to any player, Ware or otherwise but we have to get stronger at the point of attack.