Do you think that Dallas will ever have a HC for longer than 5 years?

[Aven8]

Yeah, I don't agree with that and never will.

You've said that's what you think Hos....but why? Why do you think he's the man for the job?

 

[jterrell]

Wade is like 61 yrs old. I can't see him coaching that long.

He's already been here for half that time. He wouldn't even be legal retirement age for full social security by the time 6 years ran out.

If he wins he may be happy but I don't see Wade as a person who wants to be out of football. Some of the best coaches in football right have hit 60 but I don't think anyone is gonna ask guys like Jimmie Johnson or Dick LeBeau to retire.

I don't think it's likely btw, but if he wins and his defense is dominant Jerry will not fire him. We already know we do not have his defensive coordinator around and I don't see Jerry being happy with Garrett as HC/OC and Grantham or Campo as DC.

I think most folks intend to work until they are 70 or so nowadays. I know I do. While retiring sounds fun, I'd rather keep earning a paycheck.

 

[jterrell]

You've said that's what you think Hos....but why? Why do you think he's the man for the job?

Not to answer for Hos but most of it is obvious.

Ivy League grad who every football coach seems to think is quite impressive, has experience as a quarterback in the league, is from a football and only football family, been in some of the stronger offensive systems of the last 20 years.

So while last year sucked I think most folks would accept a hire with Garrett's overall resume. If we don't see Romo, Witten, Felix, RW, et al playing hurt when they played I don't think anyone would consider Garrett a bum. It was a down year. Sean Payton had down years too. See New York for example.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

I don't think even a Tom Landry would stand much of a chance these days...from the fans, media, or Jerry Jones.

I understand times are different and it was an expansion team, but it would be interesting to hear from an old timer, or historian, what the mentality towards Landry was his first 5 years.

I can tell you all the media and fans were wanting Landry fired after the 63 season. Everyone was totally shocked when Schram gave him a 10 year contract in 1964.

 

[jackrussell]

I can tell you all the media and fans were wanting Landry fired after the 63 season. Everyone was totally shocked when Schram gave him a 10 year contract in 1964.

Imagine something like this playing out through the media and message boards today? I'm sure it would be brutal.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

Imagine something like this playing out through the media and message boards today? I'm sure it would be brutal.

I think about it often when I read some of the fans posts today, There is no way Landry could have survived with todays cry for immediate results.

Landry went 0-11-1 in 1960, 4-9-1 in 1961, 5-8-1 in 1962 and 4-10 in 1963. The fans were booing the team and all the media were discussing who the Cowboys should bring in. They said Landry "multiple set" offense and the "Flex" defense were too complex. There were even rumors of player discontent.

Then Tex Schram gave Landry a 10 year extension it changed the entire dynamic of the organization, of course as you said those were different days. But I can't imagine where the Cowboys would have gone if Landry had been fired after that first contract.

 

[Aven8]

Not to answer for Hos but most of it is obvious.

Ivy League grad who every football coach seems to think is quite impressive, has experience as a quarterback in the league, is from a football and only football family, been in some of the stronger offensive systems of the last 20 years.

So while last year sucked I think most folks would accept a hire with Garrett's overall resume. If we don't see Romo, Witten, Felix, RW, et al playing hurt when they played I don't think anyone would consider Garrett a bum. It was a down year. Sean Payton had down years too. See New York for example.

It is impressive. But how can he command the room when he cannot if handle his star players on offense?

Also, if he is so great....why didn't he get the job in Denver, St. Louis, or Detroit????

 

[MONT17]

We are the Dallas Cowboys and we deserve that continuty...

This may be the quote of the year!!!


The Cowboys are a shell of themselves when it comes to Coaches... and its very sad how the one man who is in charge, is the only man who cant see it.

 

[Hostile]

You've said that's what you think Hos....but why? Why do you think he's the man for the job?

There comes a time in every player's career when you wonder if they will go on and get into coaching. There was never really any doubt in my mind that Jason Garrett would some day be the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

I became interested in Garrett as a Head Coach while he was still a player for the Cowboys. When I heard reports that other coaches considered him to be Troy Aikman's personal coach. When I heard that even Norv Turner would ask Garrett questions about some Offensive formations. That even when he was the 3rd string QB he was asked to run film sessions. That Jimmy Johnson himself said he was the best Scout Team QB in the NFL because he could digest an opponents Offense in a matter of a day or so and give the Defense a true look at what they were going to be facing.

I pay attention to stuff like that. I pay attention to the fact that he comes from a football family who are also a Dallas Cowboys family. I believe in football pedigree. Some don't. That's their opinion.

I pay attention to the fact that he wants to be here more than anywhere else in the NFL. Loyalty means something to me. I pay attention to the fact that his Dad and 2 brothers have been respected coaches and scouts even before they joined him here. I pay attention to the fact that as soon as he retired from the NFL the Miami Dolphins made him their QB Coach. Not a Quality Control Assistant, a position coach. The toughest position in the NFL.

I pay attention when the Cowboys came calling and Miami didn't want to lose him. I pay attention when two teams, Baltimore and Atlanta had him as their first choice to be their Head Coach and one even offered him the job and Jerry paid what it would take to keep him here.

I pay attention when players and other coaches talk about how brilliant the guy is and how he carries himself like a Head Coach already. I pay attention to the fact 3 more teams considered him as a candidate this year even though he had a down year, and one of them was ready to hire him and the only thing that stood in the way was that he wanted more money than what they offered. I also heard that Denver felt they would lose him to us some day anyway, so they went with the other hot OC, Josh McDaniel. How's that turning out?

I pay attention to the fact that it was reported that Garrett and Romo met to discuss Romo's apparent dissatisfaction with the gameplan against Philly and that Romo left that meeting agreeing that the problem was not the gameplan.

What I don't pay attention to is whiny media and fans who are not inside the locker room, but speculate on what they think is happening anyway, and don't know the extent of injuries, etc.

I can promise you this, the guys calling him Coach Tecmo do not have good grasps of the game and are going to look silly for how they've shot their mouths off. Note that I am not singling out any individual. If they wish to chime in it is because of their own guilt. I'm not making notes of who calls him that. I don't care who calls him that. I find it to be utterly stupid and generally lacking in any kind of football intellect.

2008 sucked. No doubt about it. To try and pin 2008 on this guy is beyond foolish IMO. He is respected around the NFL. Are all of these football men compelte idiots and some dissenchanted fans are the true football geniuses? Highly unlikely.

 

[Big Country]

I have no doubts about him at all. Never have.

It's funny how Garrett went from a prized thoroughbred to a burr eating goat in just two seasons... Better things are ahead. I know the Cowboys will get back to running the ball next season in the new house.

 

[5Stars]

It is impressive. But how can he command the room when he cannot if handle his star players on offense?

Also, if he is so great....why didn't he get the job in Denver, St. Louis, or Detroit????

If you are talking about "the player"...tell me what coach has been able to handle him?



You can be the best dog trainer in the World, but, some dogs just cannot be trained or handled.

Let's see what Garrett does this season without all the headaches, and barking.

 

[Aven8]

There comes a time in every player's career when you wonder if they will go on and get into coaching. There was never really any doubt in my mind that Jason Garrett would some day be the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

I became interested in Garrett as a Head Coach while he was still a player for the Cowboys. When I heard reports that other coaches considered him to be Troy Aikman's personal coach. When I heard that even Norv Turner would ask Garrett questions about some Offensive formations. That even when he was the 3rd string QB he was asked to run film sessions. That Jimmy Johnson himself said he was the best Scout Team QB in the NFL because he could digest an opponents Offense in a matter of a day or so and give the Defense a true look at what they were going to be facing.

I pay attention to stuff like that. I pay attention to the fact that he comes from a football family who are also a Dallas Cowboys family. I believe in football pedigree. Some don't. That's their opinion.

I pay attention to the fact that he wants to be here more than anywhere else in the NFL. Loyalty means something to me. I pay attention to the fact that his Dad and 2 brothers have been respected coaches and scouts even before they joined him here. I pay attention to the fact that as soon as he retired from the NFL the Miami Dolphins made him their QB Coach. Not a Quality Control Assistant, a position coach. The toughest position in the NFL.

I pay attention when the Cowboys came calling and Miami didn't want to lose him. I pay attention when two teams, Baltimore and Atlanta had him as their first choice to be their Head Coach and one even offered him the job and Jerry paid what it would take to keep him here.

I pay attention when players and other coaches talk about how brilliant the guy is and how he carries himself like a Head Coach already. I pay attention to the fact 3 more teams considered him as a candidate this year even though he had a down year, and one of them was ready to hire him and the only thing that stood in the way was that he wanted more money than what they offered. I also heard that Denver felt they would lose him to us some day anyway, so they went with the other hot OC, Josh McDaniel. How's that turning out?

I pay attention to the fact that it was reported that Garrett and Romo met to discuss Romo's apparent dissatisfaction with the gameplan against Philly and that Romo left that meeting agreeing that the problem was not the gameplan.

What I don't pay attention to is whiny media and fans who are not inside the locker room, but speculate on what they think is happening anyway, and don't know the extent of injuries, etc.

I can promise you this, the guys calling him Coach Tecmo do not have good grasps of the game and are going to look silly for how they've shot their mouths off. Note that I am not singling out any individual. If they wish to chime in it is because of their own guilt. I'm not making notes of who calls him that. I don't care who calls him that. I find it to be utterly stupid and generally lacking in any kind of football intellect.

2008 sucked. No doubt about it. To try and pin 2008 on this guy is beyond foolish IMO. He is respected around the NFL. Are all of these football men compelte idiots and some dissenchanted fans are the true football geniuses? Highly unlikely.

Great post Hos. It left a lot of questions I had about Garrett answered. My only question though will be will he be Jerry's whipping boy? Or will he have a say in this organization? Only time will tell I guess.

To me though....everybody talks about the "team" not being a "team". They speak of no leadership, accountability, etc. But when you don't have a strong HC that is that leader, and not a dictator (aka Parcells), no team can come together. Until we find that guy....I think we will continue on the roller coaster........and I will still be there to watch through it all......like I always have.

 

[lewpac]

I don't think even a Tom Landry would stand much of a chance these days...from the fans, media, or Jerry Jones.

I understand times are different and it was an expansion team, but it would be interesting to hear from an old timer, or historian, what the mentality towards Landry was his first 5 years.

Tom Landry won two Championship Trophys over some 28 years.
Don Shula, he last won a Trophy in what? 1973? Yet he coached the same team until 1995.
Chuck Knoll remained the coach in Pittsburgh long after his last title.
Bud Grant coached Minnesota for years, never winning a ring, and went out only when HE decided.

There are many other examples from "the old days" (pre-free agency & salary caps) like that.

Nowadays, how many coaches do you think would have a job for 28 years with two rings? You know the answer. It's ZERO.

The worm has turned in the NFL, not only for coaches, but for GM's and players as well. It's much closer to an "instant gratification" thing than not.
If a coach actually DOES win ONE Championship, it's seems like it the going rate that it buys you is another 4-6 years (Gruden, Billick, Holmgren, Dungy, Shanahan, etc..........). Some of these guys walked away, others got the boot. In any case, winning a championship or getting your team into the playoffs often doesn't buy the capital it once did.

I know the exceptions (Reid & Fischer), but go through the NFL list of Head Coaches, and it's an easy read to discover that there's a 3-5 year window for HC's. It's not just a Dallas Cowboy thing.

Used to be that when a HC or a QB won a SB, that would punch their ticket to be untouchable for life on the team. The last QB who got away with it was Favre. Marino before him. Landry and Shula were the last coaches who's championships bought them the job for life. It took a change of ownership in Dallas to unseat Landry, even though he won his last Trophy in 1978. Shula never won another ring the last 20 years of his career.

Those days are LOOOOOOOONG GONE! Tom Coughlin will be gone in no more than two more years if the Giants don't win again. The guy in Arizona? Last year meant nothing if, two years from now, they're the same old Cardinals. Which is likely. You don't get a "job for life" anymore by winning a SB or getting close. Either you pull a "Bilicheck" or you're a gonner.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't know if we will or not. Maybe if we find another one that gets us a couple of Superbowls in a short period of time then Jerry might decide to keep that guy around this time.

 

[Big D]

There comes a time in every player's career when you wonder if they will go on and get into coaching. There was never really any doubt in my mind that Jason Garrett would some day be the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

I became interested in Garrett as a Head Coach while he was still a player for the Cowboys. When I heard reports that other coaches considered him to be Troy Aikman's personal coach. When I heard that even Norv Turner would ask Garrett questions about some Offensive formations. That even when he was the 3rd string QB he was asked to run film sessions. That Jimmy Johnson himself said he was the best Scout Team QB in the NFL because he could digest an opponents Offense in a matter of a day or so and give the Defense a true look at what they were going to be facing.

I pay attention to stuff like that. I pay attention to the fact that he comes from a football family who are also a Dallas Cowboys family. I believe in football pedigree. Some don't. That's their opinion.

I pay attention to the fact that he wants to be here more than anywhere else in the NFL. Loyalty means something to me. I pay attention to the fact that his Dad and 2 brothers have been respected coaches and scouts even before they joined him here. I pay attention to the fact that as soon as he retired from the NFL the Miami Dolphins made him their QB Coach. Not a Quality Control Assistant, a position coach. The toughest position in the NFL.

I pay attention when the Cowboys came calling and Miami didn't want to lose him. I pay attention when two teams, Baltimore and Atlanta had him as their first choice to be their Head Coach and one even offered him the job and Jerry paid what it would take to keep him here.

I pay attention when players and other coaches talk about how brilliant the guy is and how he carries himself like a Head Coach already. I pay attention to the fact 3 more teams considered him as a candidate this year even though he had a down year, and one of them was ready to hire him and the only thing that stood in the way was that he wanted more money than what they offered. I also heard that Denver felt they would lose him to us some day anyway, so they went with the other hot OC, Josh McDaniel. How's that turning out?

I pay attention to the fact that it was reported that Garrett and Romo met to discuss Romo's apparent dissatisfaction with the gameplan against Philly and that Romo left that meeting agreeing that the problem was not the gameplan.

What I don't pay attention to is whiny media and fans who are not inside the locker room, but speculate on what they think is happening anyway, and don't know the extent of injuries, etc.

I can promise you this, the guys calling him Coach Tecmo do not have good grasps of the game and are going to look silly for how they've shot their mouths off. Note that I am not singling out any individual. If they wish to chime in it is because of their own guilt. I'm not making notes of who calls him that. I don't care who calls him that. I find it to be utterly stupid and generally lacking in any kind of football intellect.

2008 sucked. No doubt about it. To try and pin 2008 on this guy is beyond foolish IMO. He is respected around the NFL. Are all of these football men compelte idiots and some dissenchanted fans are the true football geniuses? Highly unlikely.

Very serious post Hos! You know, I had the same feeling about Wade. As much as he gets ragged on by fans he knows heck of alot about football. People can say what they want about his demeanor but you can't really question his ball knowledge.

 

[Hostile]

Very serious post Hos! You know, I had the same feeling about Wade. As much as he gets ragged on by fans he knows heck of alot about football. People can say what they want about his demeanor but you can't really question his ball knowledge.

I'm as guilty of that as anyone but it's mostly because I wanted Shanahan and I would take Garrett.

Wade knows Defense and it was evidenced last year. There were simply too many factions. I think the whole staff and front office realize it and are going to be focused on changing that perception.

Wade's a good guy and though I call him Tommy Boy I do respect his time in football. He doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence, but I don't put him on par with a Switzer or Campo as far as inept.

 

[Hostile]

Great post Hos. It left a lot of questions I had about Garrett answered. My only question though will be will he be Jerry's whipping boy? Or will he have a say in this organization? Only time will tell I guess.

To me though....everybody talks about the "team" not being a "team". They speak of no leadership, accountability, etc. But when you don't have a strong HC that is that leader, and not a dictator (aka Parcells), no team can come together. Until we find that guy....I think we will continue on the roller coaster........and I will still be there to watch through it all......like I always have.

I think Jerry is a whole lot less puppet master than anyone really knows.

 

[Clove]

Very serious post Hos! You know, I had the same feeling about Wade. As much as he gets ragged on by fans he knows heck of alot about football. People can say what they want about his demeanor but you can't really question his ball knowledge.

Wade would be a lot more successful if Garrett "Jerry's boy" was not on the team.