Do you use a 14th Pick on a Guard?

[TheDallasDon]

What would y'all think if Garrett went for a powerhouse offense and drafted something like this....
1.)David Decastro
2.)Peter Konz/Ben Jones
3.)Kevin Zeitler/Brandon Washington
4.)Ladarius Green

And forgetting defense for a year and patching them to the next draft??

Oh but still get C.Campbell in Offseason

Hey Hos, Sdogo what do y'all think the odds of Garrett doing something like this?

Then getting
Campbell/Griffin
Campbell/Thomas
Campbell/Soliai
Then finsh the defense next year

 

[windward]

1. David Decastro (OG) - Stanford
2. Peter Konz (C) - Wisconsin
3. LeMichael James (RB) - Oregon
4. Ladarius Green (TE) - LA-Lafayette
5. Joe Adams (PR/WR) - Arkansas
6. Levy Adcock (OT) - OSU
6. Matt Daniels (S) - Dook
7. Aaron Corp (QB) - Richmond

This activates the pleasure part of my brain. As long as we added a couple of FA defenders.

My goodness.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

1. David Decastro (OG) - Stanford
2. Peter Konz (C) - Wisconsin
3. LeMichael James (RB) - Oregon
4. Ladarius Green (TE) - LA-Lafayette
5. Joe Adams (PR/WR) - Arkansas
6. Levy Adcock (OT) - OSU
6. Matt Daniels (S) - Dook
7. Aaron Corp (QB) - Richmond

Gotta try finding a 3-4 DE who can supply some pass rush.

And there are no corners listed here.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Three questions:

1) How much does it take to sign this good quality Guard in FA?
2) How much better will the FA play over what some consider to be the 5th best player in the draft?
3) How much will you pay the 14th pick in the draft?

Anytime you can feel a true need through the draft with the best player at his position, it's always cheaper. Plus, with the FA you will most likely get 4 good years (if you are lucky). If you draft a player, and if he's good you get at least 2 contracts out of him - 3 if you are very fortunate (Witten and Ratliff are prime examples and Tyron may be another).

Depends on how long the contract is and the age of the player. Evan's signed a deal that pays him 8 million a year. Waters signed a deal that pays him 2.75 million a season. Both are in the Pro Bowl.

I would like to know who thinks DeCastro is the 5th best player in this draft? I certainly don't. I seriously doubt DeCastro makes the Pro Bowl team next year.

Robert Quinn was the 14th pick last year and I believe his contract was worth 9.4 million for 4 years. That's about 2.35 Million a year. Now, I am not certain what the 2012 slot will make so lets say 2.5 million a year? But, what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? DeCastro is not a sure thing. No draft pick is. Chris Naeole, the 10th overall pick in the 1997 draft played for 11 seasons in the NFL and made zero Pro Bowls. There is no guarantee.

The question that I think is more relivent is, what would it cost to go out and replace a number 1 starting CB or upgrade a 34 ROLB? We need two Guards, not 1.

 

[NeonNinja]

Depends on how long the contract is and the age of the player. Evan's signed a deal that pays him 8 million a year. Waters signed a deal that pays him 2.75 million a season. Both are in the Pro Bowl.

I would like to know who thinks DeCastro is the 5th best player in this draft? I certainly don't. I seriously doubt DeCastro makes the Pro Bowl team next year.

Robert Quinn was the 14th pick last year and I believe his contract was worth 9.4 million for 4 years. That's about 2.35 Million a year. Now, I am not certain what the 2012 slot will make so lets say 2.5 million a year? But, what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? DeCastro is not a sure thing. No draft pick is. Chris Naeole, the 10th overall pick in the 1997 draft played for 11 seasons in the NFL and made zero Pro Bowls. There is no guarantee.

The question that I think is more relivent is, what would it cost to go out and replace a number 1 starting CB or upgrade a 34 ROLB? We need two Guards, not 1.

You don't think DeCastro is worth the 14th pick but Gilmore is?

 

[jnday]

Depends on how long the contract is and the age of the player. Evan's signed a deal that pays him 8 million a year. Waters signed a deal that pays him 2.75 million a season. Both are in the Pro Bowl.

I would like to know who thinks DeCastro is the 5th best player in this draft? I certainly don't. I seriously doubt DeCastro makes the Pro Bowl team next year.

Robert Quinn was the 14th pick last year and I believe his contract was worth 9.4 million for 4 years. That's about 2.35 Million a year. Now, I am not certain what the 2012 slot will make so lets say 2.5 million a year? But, what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? DeCastro is not a sure thing. No draft pick is. Chris Naeole, the 10th overall pick in the 1997 draft played for 11 seasons in the NFL and made zero Pro Bowls. There is no guarantee.

The question that I think is more relivent is, what would it cost to go out and replace a number 1 starting CB or upgrade a 34 ROLB? We need two Guards, not 1.

10 years ago , I would have agreed with you . Today , I don't . The days of undervaluing linemen are over . DeCastro is the highest rated OG in years . He may not make the probowl his first year , but he might make for next 10 . He is the type of player that will make Romo , Murray and Jones better . I really liked what the 49ers have done . They spent top picks on linemen and it has paid off . They took note of the 90's Cowboys lines and what it produces . The Cowboys did not . The Cowboys went the other direction wth the flashy picks .

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You don't think DeCastro is worth the 14th pick but Gilmore is?

I don't think that DeCastro is worth the 14th pick because I think it will be much easier to go out and get a guard then it will be to go out and get a starting #1 CB.

I think you guys are going a bit overboard on the whole Mock thing. Combine hasn't even happened yet. What do you like about DeCastro from what you've seen? What is it that you believe makes him worthy of being taken higher then any other Guard, save one, in the last 20 years?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

10 years ago , I would have agreed with you . Today , I don't . The days of undervaluing linemen are over . DeCastro is the highest rated OG in years . He may not make the probowl his first year , but he might make for next 10 . He is the type of player that will make Romo , Murray and Jones better . I really liked what the 49ers have done . They spent top picks on linemen and it has paid off . They took note of the 90's Cowboys lines and what it produces . The Cowboys did not . The Cowboys went the other direction wth the flashy picks .

Where is this coming from with DeCastro? Who is saying that he is the highest rated OG in years?

The problem here is not that I want to go out and get another WR or RB. Far from it. In fact, if you know me at all, you know that I lean towards Lineman in the draft and have for the past 6 years or so. When everybody wanted Dez, I did not. When everybody wanted Felix, I did not. I just don't see the value in taking a Guard at 14 when we have needs at CB, OLB, amoung other positions. We would be better served to sign a quality FA and draft a great prospect and bring him along. That's how you build an OL IMO.

 

[jnday]

I don't think that DeCastro is worth the 14th pick because I think it will be much easier to go out and get a guard then it will be to go out and get a starting #1 CB.

I think you guys are going a bit overboard on the whole Mock thing. Combine hasn't even happened yet. What do you like about DeCastro from what you've seen? What is it that you believe makes him worthy of being taken higher then any other Guard, save one, in the last 20 years?

He is just that damn good .

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He is just that damn good .

According to who?

 

[burmafrd]

something else to consider:

Our NEW O line coach might evaluate current players a little differently.

 

[jnday]

According to who?

Every scouting report and scouting service , along with every scout that is willing to speak about him . I would say anybody that knows linemen has the same opinion about him at this time .

 

[dboy214]

ok everyone wants decastro.

lets say the cardinals are sitting at 13 and are sold on taking decastro, is he worth trading up and leap frogging arizona to snatch him up?

i think this might be the only we get him.

Every scouting report and scouting service , along with every scout that is willing to speak about him . I would say anybody that knows linemen has the same opinion about him at this time .

better than iupati?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Every scouting report and scouting service , along with every scout that is willing to speak about him . I would say anybody that knows linemen has the same opinion about him at this time .

I'm willing to read any of these evaluations. I have not seen one. That is not to say they are not out there but I have not seen it. I have heard him called one of the best Guard prospects in the last 10 years but not the best. He's not even the best OL prospect in this draft. None of this really means anything until the combine is here but honestly, I think we take a CB or a stud OLB if they are there.

 

[jnday]

ok everyone wants decastro.

lets say the cardinals are sitting at 13 and are sold on taking decastro, is he worth trading up and leap frogging arizona to snatch him up?

i think this might be the only we get him.




better than iupati?

He grades out better than Iupati .

 

[jnday]

I'm willing to read any of these evaluations. I have not seen one. That is not to say they are not out there but I have not seen it. I have heard him called one of the best Guard prospects in the last 10 years but not the best. He's not even the best OL prospect in this draft. None of this really means anything until the combine is here but honestly, I think we take a CB or a stud OLB if they are there.

Check out the draft websites thread at the top of draft forum . There are many more on DeCastro that are not listed .

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Check out the draft websites thread at the top of draft forum . There are many more on DeCastro that are not listed .

OK, I did what you asked. Actually, I went through the first ten and only one said he was the best prospect and they actually said he was the best Guard Prospect in 5 years but whatever. I don't think anybody is saying he's not a good prospect or Guard prospect but how can anybody say he is the best in 10 or 20 years when the combine hasn't even happened. You can't possibly grade him out until you have that information. That's just the bottom line on any of these players.

 

[casmith07]

With this offensive line being as offensive as it is, yes. You spend #14 on a kid that will protect your best asset - Tony Romo.

This is a very deep CB draft - guys like Boykin, Hosley, and others can be had in the 2nd or 3rd rounds and will be able to provide better play in their first year than Newman has in his last. It isn't deep for elite, day-1-starter Guards.

 

[dboy214]

He grades out better than Iupati .

well that's all i need to hear.

question is, is he worth trading up for b/c i don't think he falls to us. arizona needs a guard too.

 

[jnday]

OK, I did what you asked. Actually, I went through the first ten and only one said he was the best prospect and they actually said he was the best Guard Prospect in 5 years but whatever. I don't think anybody is saying he's not a good prospect or Guard prospect but how can anybody say he is the best in 10 or 20 years when the combine hasn't even happened. You can't possibly grade him out until you have that information. That's just the bottom line on any of these players.

I stated in a previous post that DeCastro's rating was at this time . Sure , the combine could change things . I don't think it will , but it might . If you want to read more , check out Wes Bunting's scouting report .