Does collusion go two ways?

[Vinnie2u]

How about when Lebron, Wade and Bosh got together and signed with Miami..

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The memo you mention would have been the 'smoking gun'. But it's highly unlikely the Cowboys and Broncos would be dumb enough to have put anything of the sort in writing.

I'm picturing Jerry half drunk and running his mouth caught on tape. I'd be disappointed if the players went after the Joneses though. They actually honored the deal back in 2010 when everyone else was colluding and got slapped for it.

 

[casmith07]

I know, I know, I'm messing with your emotions.

In fact, I have your money right here. 20, 40, 60,80,100, ABQ flips over money, 120.........

I know what I'm watching this weekend!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I know what I'm watching this weekend!

It's funny. I've bought that movie three times. I've never had it in my possession for more then a week. I have a feeling that three of my four kids are now the proud owners of the video.

 

[Stash]

I'm picturing Jerry half drunk and running his mouth caught on tape. I'd be disappointed if the players went after the Joneses though. They actually honored the deal back in 2010 when everyone else was colluding and got slapped for it.

I'm going with Bill Polian and saying that there is, was, and never will be anything to the accusations. It was all just a public ploy for Smith and the NFLPA to make it look like they were doing something, and likely the first salvo in a greater effort by the NFLPA to try to get rid of the franchise tag.

 

[Rogah]

I can read good. Even gooder than you.

Obviously not since you clearly aren't understanding (A) what I wrote, (B) what the PFT article wrote or (C) all of the above.

My money is on (C).

So what exactly did I say that was wrong? Please demonstrate these aforementioned reading comprehension skills.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm going with Bill Polian and saying that there is, was, and never will be anything to the accusations. It was all just a public ploy for Smith and the NFLPA to make it look like they were doing something, and likely the first salvo in a greater effort by the NFLPA to try to get rid of the franchise tag.

I take that as Polian being too savvy to incriminate himself after being prepped by NFL legal to talk about it. I'm cynical enough to believe that at owners meetings and the various functions they put together with panels, executive boards and the like they discuss players, contracts and such with impunity.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Obviously not since you clearly aren't understanding (A) what I wrote, (B) what the PFT article wrote or (C) all of the above.

My money is on (C).

So what exactly did I say that was wrong? Please demonstrate these aforementioned reading comprehension skills.

Who cares what you wrote?
You have been wrong so many times. I choose to default to = you are wrong!

I'll demonstrate nothing at your request.

You = WRONG!

 

[fgoodwin]

Nope
Only those who control the money can collude
Owners control the salaries
It's like price fixing for a business
Customer have no ability to control the prices, only the business can

That's not 100% accurate.

If there is only one customer (or very few customers) for your product or service (called a monopsony), then they are effectively a monopoly buyer and can exercise some control over prices. Think the U.S government buying defense weapons. There aren't a lot of examples of this, and so as far as NFL players are concerned, I agree the players cannot collude, only owners can do that.

But it's not true in general.

Players talking or even agents working together to try to drive up prices can't collude since they have no control over the money
Personally I see why players aren't covered but to me agents are a bit different because in some ways they do effect the money but they don't control it

 

[conner01]

That's not 100% accurate.

If there is only one customer (or very few customers) for your product or service (called a monopsony), then they are effectively a monopoly buyer and can exercise some control over prices. Think the U.S government buying defense weapons. There aren't a lot of examples of this, and so as far as NFL players are concerned, I agree the players cannot collude, only owners can do that.

But it's not true in general.

Collision as defined legally can't be committed by the customer of a product
Two companies selling the same product could by fixing prices
All customer have the ability to affect prices by not buying the product
But customers of a product getting together is not collusion
Sellers of a product getting together to fix the price or availability is
It's perfectly legal to form a boycott of a product, get together with other customers of that product to agree not to but it

 

[Rogah]

Who cares what you wrote?

Well obviously you do, because I made a post and you responded to it with "Wrong again. Tired of it yet?"

You have been wrong so many times. I choose to default to = you are wrong!

I'll demonstrate nothing at your request.

You = WRONG!

Translation: there is absolutely nothing I said in this thread which is wrong and you simply misread my post, but you aren't man enough to admit you made an honest mistake.

Instead you are trying to squirm out of looking foolish over the fact that you misread my post and tried to call me out, but it backfired royally.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Well obviously you do, because I made a post and you responded to it with "Wrong again. Tired of it yet?"
Translation: there is absolutely nothing I said in this thread which is wrong and you simply misread my post, but you aren't man enough to admit you made an honest mistake.

Instead you are trying to squirm out of looking foolish over the fact that you misread my post and tried to call me out, but it backfired royally.

Wrong.

 

[Rogah]

Wrong.

We are still waiting for you to tell me what part of the following is wrong:

Suppose Elway told Jones "we are offering 5 years, $70 million and not a penny more" so Jones also used that as his maximum amount. That's textbook collusion whether the players signed the deals or not.

I stand by my statement.

It must be really embarrassing to try so hard and think you found some mistake I made only to come crashing back down to Earth when you discovered you simply misread what I wrote.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

We are still waiting for you to tell me what part of the following is wrong:

Suppose Elway told Jones "we are offering 5 years, $70 million and not a penny more" so Jones also used that as his maximum amount. That's textbook collusion whether the players signed the deals or not.

I stand by my statement.

It must be really embarrassing to try so hard and think you found some mistake I made only to come crashing back down to Earth when you discovered you simply misread what I wrote.

 

[fgoodwin]

Collision as defined legally can't be committed by the customer of a product
Two companies selling the same product could by fixing prices
All customer have the ability to affect prices by not buying the product
But customers of a product getting together is not collusion
Sellers of a product getting together to fix the price or availability is
It's perfectly legal to form a boycott of a product, get together with other customers of that product to agree not to but it

Apparently buyer collusion is more common than one might think, especially at auctions:

What is collusion at an auction?

However, the author (an auctioneer) does not come right out and say such collusion is illegal, although he certainly implies that it is.

 

[conner01]

Apparently buyer collusion is more common than one might think, especially at auctions:

What is collusion at an auction?

However, the author (an auctioneer) does not come right out and say such collusion is illegal, although he certainly implies that it is.

I've been on the auto business for many years
Auction will cheat you, but then again the auction is the one controlling the money
The are the seller
As a buyer if I want to work with another dealer to drive up the price for a third dealer it's easy to do, but that's not a crime or civil offense. It's risky since you could get stuck with the car and it's a crappy thing to do so I have never done it

 

[fgoodwin]

I used auctions as an example. But this article details illegal buyer cartels a lot better than I can:

Buyer Cartels Versus Buying Groups: Legal Distinctions, Competitive Realities, and Antitrust Policy

 

[Rogah]

Apparently buyer collusion is more common than one might think, especially at auctions:

What is collusion at an auction?

However, the author (an auctioneer) does not come right out and say such collusion is illegal, although he certainly implies that it is.

Sounds like collusion at a poker table.

Let's just say it is heavily frowned upon.