Does This Make Gibbs a Hypocrite?

[Derinyar]

Don't suspend him for spitting, as people have said that punishment has been taken care of suspend him for being a *** moron. He hurt his team by not thinking.

 

[kmd24]

What about JG's responsibility to his team and the fans? Wouldn't benching Taylor be tantamount to shirking his responsibility to try to win the game in light of their secondary woes?

 

[Hostile]

Schlereth wrote a good piece and he makes a strong point, but let's get real here.

1. The NFL fined Taylor.

2. He was ejected.

3. Gibbs would have to face Dan Snyder and explain why potentially he waved the white flag in the playoffs.

Gibbs does not have to sit Taylor to make an example of him. Nor is it really up to any of us how they deal with it in house.

Taylor's karma will catch up with him.

 

[Double]

Schlereth wrote a good piece and he makes a strong point, but let's get real here.

1. The NFL fined Taylor.

2. He was ejected.

3. Gibbs would have to face Dan Snyder and explain why potentially he waved the white flag in the playoffs.

Gibbs does not have to sit Taylor to make an example of him. Nor is it really up to any of us how they deal with it in house.

Taylor's karma will catch up with him.

Yes Gibbs does have to sit him to make an example of him. i dont care if he is the one factor in their secondary that allows them to be aggressive on defense. If he plays, then that is hypocrisy on Gibbs part because there is conclusive evidence that he did spit. Yes, the NFL fined him but he should be suspended as a matter of fact. Well, they may play him..... he might get a costly 15 yarder or spit again and cost them a game. Such talent he is..... some part of me want him to continue with these antics so his career will deteriorate fast.... I'm scared, If Gibbs and Williams get his head in order, he is so much of a game breaker and might one day become one of the best FS in the league. I hope he spits some more and be banned from the league. Yeah, I hate the deadkins.

 

[Fletch]

Yeah, well, thats not going to happen. He is not going to be benched. Principles be damned.

Principles as well as integrity.

 

[Fletch]

Schlereth wrote a good piece and he makes a strong point, but let's get real here.

1. The NFL fined Taylor.

2. He was ejected.

3. Gibbs would have to face Dan Snyder and explain why potentially he waved the white flag in the playoffs.

Gibbs does not have to sit Taylor to make an example of him. Nor is it really up to any of us how they deal with it in house.

Taylor's karma will catch up with him.

Yep, it's sad that it all comes down to that. Karma.

 

[Hostile]

Yes Gibbs does have to sit him to make an example of him. i dont care if he is the one factor in their secondary that allows them to be aggressive on defense. If he plays, then that is hypocrisy on Gibbs part because there is conclusive evidence that he did spit. Yes, the NFL fined him but he should be suspended as a matter of fact. Well, they may play him..... he might get a costly 15 yarder or spit again and cost them a game. Such talent he is..... some part of me want him to continue with these antics so his career will deteriorate fast.... I'm scared, If Gibbs and Williams get his head in order, he is so much of a game breaker and might one day become one of the best FS in the league. I hope he spits some more and be banned from the league. Yeah, I hate the deadkins.

You're letting your hate of the team cloud your judgment a bit. IMO.

Asking this because I don't know. Was Gibbs' reaction that if there was evidence he would bench him? I don't remember that. If he said then didn't do it, then yes, that would be hypocritical. If he defended his player who told him he didn't do it, that doesn't make him a hypocrite. That makes him a coach loyal to his players. He can't control whether they tell him the truth or not.

Taylor got caught. He got ejected. He got fined. I just don't think it is up to fans of other teams to keep wanting him to get more and more punishment.

If Gibbs were to decide to punish him it would not have to be by benching him. He owes his team and the Commanders fans the best team he can put on the field. Taylor can get a team punishment that stays in house if Gibbs wished. It happens all the time. Either that or he can decide that the NFL handled it and move on.

Either way, I don't see it as hypocrisy. What Shanahan did that Schlereth described...that's hypocrisy.

 

[Hostile]

Yep, it's sad that it all comes down to that. Karma.

Better that than a kangaroo court.

 

[odog422]

here in dc, the stakes are enormously high for gibbs. the pressure to succeed and that he bears, must be crushing. his first go-round, while i didnt care for him bc he was the skins coach, i did respect the man. i think schlereth's characterization of him is accurate in that regard.

now, with the weight of the city's expectations, the weight of the danny's expectations, particularly being backed by the hefty salary, IMO has turned gibbs to win at all costs. there were rumblings that the early slide of the team had gibbs looking towards getting out after this season.

hos, you talk about him backing his player -- this is the same player, who, as was documented almost daily in the papers here, blew off gibbs this past offseason. didnt return calls, didnt show for offseason workouts.

would the gibbs of old have taken that? regardless of that player's talent? particularly after the legal troubles. now, after that it has been established that taylor lied, to his def coord, directly and gibbs indirectly, continue biz as usual?

as i said earlier, previously i thought of gibbs as one of those few coaches who put principles first, and dont think the papers and media around here didnt constantly harp on it as well. but in todays enviroment, particularly around here, its funny just how little play all that is getting, and how silent gibbs himself is on the whole issue.

dont know if it makes him a hypocrite per se, but has definitely removed what little respect i had remaining for him (that took a huge hit last year the way he slapped at parcells hand and ran off during the post-game handshake).

 

[mr.jameswoods]

The idea of sportsmanship is a facade. All teams and coaches will make exceptions for great players who can help them win a championship. This happens at all levels of sports. Sportsmanship rules only seem to apply to average or marginal athletes. All coaches are hypocrites. No coach in Gibbs situation would sit down their best defensive player in a playoff contest they could realistically win. Nebraska's head coach Tom Osbourne let Lawrence Phillips play. Ohio St. head coach let Maurice Clarett play and allowed him cheat in classes so that he could be eligible during their championship year.

The mantra of sports has been this. Sportsmanship is the rule but we can make exceptions for extraordinary talent aka Terrell Owens, Bill Lambeer, Danny Ainge, Bill Romanowski etc. That's how it will always be.

 

[joseephuss]

The idea of sportsmanship is a facade. All teams and coaches will make exceptions for great players who can help them win a championship. This happens at all levels of sports. Sportsmanship rules only seem to apply to average or marginal athletes. All coaches are hypocrites. No coach in Gibbs situation would sit down their best defensive player in a playoff contest they could realistically win. Nebraska's head coach Tom Osbourne let Lawrence Phillips play. Ohio St. head coach let Maurice Clarett play and allowed him cheat in classes so that he could be eligible during their championship year.
The mantra of sports has been this. Sportsmanship is the rule but we can make exceptions for extraordinary talent aka Terrell Owens, Bill Lambeer, Danny Ainge, Bill Romanowski etc. That's how it will always be.

Good points.

I didn't see Switzer sit Michael Irvin after he came back from his 5 game league suspension in 1996?

 

[dfense]

Taylor is a scumbag who's own character will do him in. Sometime, someway, his actions in life will cost him his career. It's in his makeup. He may be going to jail shortly after the season anyway. Pointing a gun in a menacing way in Florida is a mandatory jail time felony. Will be an interesting trial.

 

[Double]

You're letting your hate of the team cloud your judgment a bit. IMO.

Asking this because I don't know. Was Gibbs' reaction that if there was evidence he would bench him? I don't remember that. If he said then didn't do it, then yes, that would be hypocritical. If he defended his player who told him he didn't do it, that doesn't make him a hypocrite. That makes him a coach loyal to his players. He can't control whether they tell him the truth or not.

Taylor got caught. He got ejected. He got fined. I just don't think it is up to fans of other teams to keep wanting him to get more and more punishment.

If Gibbs were to decide to punish him it would not have to be by benching him. He owes his team and the Commanders fans the best team he can put on the field. Taylor can get a team punishment that stays in house if Gibbs wished. It happens all the time. Either that or he can decide that the NFL handled it and move on.

Either way, I don't see it as hypocrisy. What Shanahan did that Schlereth described...that's hypocrisy.

Yes, i tried to justify my thought process on the issue and I dont think the team in question influenced my views. The guy is talented and i will be the first to admit it and argue that he is one of the best i have seen but talent aside and speaking from a moral point of view, he should be suspended by the team for that despicable act.

i will advocate the same team punishment for any player, whether they are playing for the Boys or not. Im still watching to see if he plays tomorrow and only then will i pass due judgement on Gibbs. He rags on about character and spirituality and the need for players to remain modest citizens. If he plays Taylor after the concrete evidence, then it is Ok to assume that he speaks half-heartedly and wins and losses has superiority over the words that came from his mouth.

Maybe the team has addressed it or they chose not to but if they dont take a stand and make it known, someday, sometime, somewhere... such action might rear it ugly head again and it will be too costly for them. If they believe he presence on the field is inevitable, I dont question that but you have to send a message to kids that watched on TV when that action took place.... kids that see him as a role model. Sit him a snap, a quarter, a half.... it doesnt hurt your football team, it only enforces modesty and good sportsmanship.

 

[WV Cowboy]

The idea of sportsmanship is a facade. All teams and coaches will make exceptions for great players who can help them win a championship. This happens at all levels of sports. Sportsmanship rules only seem to apply to average or marginal athletes. All coaches are hypocrites.

Not so fast, ... a few years ago, our local high school coach, who was a very successful coach (4 State Titles in 16 yrs, .. playoffs every year, .. NEVER had a losing season) benched two players in a semi-final playoff game because they had been caught drinking.

They were his two ILB's, who were also his two Guards on offense.

The two biggest and baddest players on the team.

He lost the playoff game.

He may have won his 5th State Title if they had played.

That is the way he was though, he played no favorites, and didn't play politics either.

Didn't matter if you lived in a mansion in the rich section or a trailor on the other side of the railroad tracks, ... if you were the best at your position, you played.

 

[joseephuss]

Not so fast, ... a few years ago, our local high school coach, who was a very successful coach (4 State Titles in 16 yrs, .. playoffs every year, .. NEVER had a losing season) benched two players in a semi-final playoff game because they had been caught drinking.

They were his two ILB's, who were also his two Guards on offense.

The two biggest and baddest players on the team.

He lost the playoff game.

He may have won his 5th State Title if they had played.

That is the way he was though, he played no favorites, and didn't play politics either.

Didn't matter if you lived in a mansion in the rich section or a trailor on the other side of the railroad tracks, ... if you were the best at your position, you played.

Were these two young men punished in any other way? Were they given MIPs or suspended from school? Was suspension already a team rule or school rule? Sean Taylor has been punished by the NFL. It is not as if he is not being punished at all.

 

[Broohaha]

Hey there folks. Little piece of trivia:

When Sean Taylor was arrested for DUI last year in the middle of the season, he was suspended for that week's game. He was eventually found not guilty of DUI but Gibbs suspended him.

So it seems as if Gibbs DID take that matter seriously and maybe he 1) doesnt feel a spitting incident is serious enough for suspension and 2) he especially doesnt feel a spitting incident is serious enough to warrant suspension for a playoff game, which a player AND his team have been working all year for.

I dont recall Jerrah or any of the Cowboys coaches suspending any players who had trouble with the law ever since the halcyon days of #80.

Also, let's not forget the relatively lenient tack King Tuna took with people like LT.

 

[#1skins fan]

Amen to the previous quote. 17000$ more than doubled the previous spitting fine, and anyway he spit on a two time convicted wife beater (hmm you want to talk character, he's still playing??

 

[kingwhicker]

Bad spots always come out of the woodwork-I see we have two more examples.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Whether anyone agrees should Gibbs play or sit Taylor or not, the message of the thread is excellent. The message is that coaches preach one thing but live out something else, sending conflicting messages to the troops (players).

The behavior of the Taylors, Arringtons, TOs, etc. would be affected if the coaches would walk the talk.

BINGO...Gibbs whines about having high character guys..what like those Miami thugs...SPIT

Joe's old teams may have had character but Taylor is a freakin thug..SPIT:laugh1:

 

[Rogerthat12]

Amen to the previous quote. 17000$ more than doubled the previous spitting fine, and anyway he spit on a two time convicted wife beater (hmm you want to talk character, he's still playing??

No..armed assault is much higher in the character department...SPIT