Does This Team Know How To Build An Offensive Line?

[Doomsdayblitz]

Man, oh man. I just read the blurb in DC.com where the 'Boys just signed D'Anthony Batiste, a 6-4, 318 lb. OG out of Loiusiana-Lafayette. Actually, he played there a little while back. The last place he was employed was with the Edmonton Eskimos of the Canadian League. He signed with them in May, but was recently cut.

Excuse me? We just signed an OG to possibly play for our National Football League Dallas Cowboys sometime in the future? I mean, isn't that why you sign a player-to play for you? Either that, or for TC fodder. Either way, is there no one out there who we can sign to give our defensive line a better challenge than an OG that played in the Arena league, but couldn't even get a cup of coffee in the CFL?

Man, it's about time that this team realizes that it needs a real personnel director to bring in the talent. Butch Davis tried his hand at it in Cleveland, & was a miserable failure. So is BP when it comes to certain positions like offensive linemen. JJ is no better.
The Browns finally wised up and hired Phil Savage to take over their personnel matters. That's all he does. Scouts players and signs the ones he feels are the best. In only two years, he has transformed the Brown's offensive line from one that was hideous, to one with the likes of LeCharles Bentley, Kevin Shaffer, Joe Andruzzi, Cosey Coleman, and Ryan Tucker. They're not quite there yet, but are light years away from the pitiful unit that nearly got Tim Couch killed.

Wake up, JJ. Time to move over & let a real personnel man do the job.

 

[Angus]

Let me introduce you to Mr. Jeff Ireland.

 

[burmafrd]

I have to admit this signing really looks flimsy.

 

[arglebargle]

It does make you wonder, but I would guess they didn't draw his name out of a hat. Probably a respected coach somewhere put in a good word about the kid. Anyway, they are just taking a look, as they have to cut a number of players before training camp anyway.

The Candian game is a lot more mobile than the American one. This guy seems pretty big for their style. Also, getting cut now from the CFL is sorta like making it to the last cut in the NFL, as they have just started their season up there.

 

[The Answer]

Man, oh man. I just read the blurb in DC.com where the 'Boys just signed D'Anthony Batiste, a 6-4, 318 lb. OG out of Loiusiana-Lafayette. Actually, he played there a little while back. The last place he was employed was with the Edmonton Eskimos of the Canadian League. He signed with them in May, but was recently cut.

Excuse me? We just signed an OG to possibly play for our National Football League Dallas Cowboys sometime in the future? I mean, isn't that why you sign a player-to play for you? Either that, or for TC fodder. Either way, is there no one out there who we can sign to give our defensive line a better challenge than an OG that played in the Arena league, but couldn't even get a cup of coffee in the CFL?

Man, it's about time that this team realizes that it needs a real personnel director to bring in the talent. Butch Davis tried his hand at it in Cleveland, & was a miserable failure. So is BP when it comes to certain positions like offensive linemen. JJ is no better.
The Browns finally wised up and hired Phil Savage to take over their personnel matters. That's all he does. Scouts players and signs the ones he feels are the best. In only two years, he has transformed the Brown's offensive line from one that was hideous, to one with the likes of LeCharles Bentley, Kevin Shaffer, Joe Andruzzi, Cosey Coleman, and Ryan Tucker. They're not quite there yet, but are light years away from the pitiful unit that nearly got Tim Couch killed.

Wake up, JJ. Time to move over & let a real personnel man do the job.

The Answer agrees.....we need to be looking at NFL CALIBUR offensive linemen, not casts offs from the CFL or other minor leagues.

You'd think that the front office would realize this since we have had shoddy offensive line play for several years now, add to the fact that Bledsoe isn't the most mobile guy either obviously.

~The Answer

 

[AsthmaField]

First off, Jeff Ireland does a hell of a job.

Secondly:

Newman
James
Witten
Peterman
Al Johnson
Crayton
Ware
Spears
Burnett
Barber
Canty
Beriault
Petitti
Ratliff
T. Thompson
Pepper Johnson
Carpenter
Fasano
Hatcher
Green
Stanley
Watkins

That's pretty good drafting, IMO. Just because Parcells missed on Jacob Rogers and the jury is still out on Peterman, doesn't mean that Parcells isn't a good judge of talent.

Then, add in all of the free aents that have been brought in (TO, Ferguson, Rivera, etc.) and a whole lotta talent is here.

Taking the character (all except TO) and work ethic of all those players into consideration makes the group look even stronger.

Jimmy Johnson whiffed badly on Stan Smagala, Alexander Wright and some others... Does that make him a bad judge of talent? He wanted Ray Agnew instead of Emmitt Smith... does that mean we needed someone else bringing in the talent? Of course not. Personnel guys simply don't hit on all of their players. They miss a lot of the time... league wide.

Frankly, looking at the good players Parcells has brought in... I don't think anyone could do a better job than he's done since being in Dallas. One heck of a lineup.

 

[rickster14]

Does the phrase "training camp body" mean anything to you?

 

[Manster68]

I am with you there Asthma. Some people just don't understand that Rome cannot be built in a day.

The last three drafts have shown many hits and not so many misses. The draft is a crap shoot. You never know what you are getting until they arrive.

Even Red Auerbach said as much when he got both Larry Bird (a quarter century ago) and Bill Russell (a half century ago).

So to whiff on a Jacob Rogers is percentagewise normal. People forget that Petitti makes up for that. Second day picks are NOT supposed to be starters.

Seems like Dallas has found several of those in recent years. Much better than the garbage Dallas had on the second day from 1994-2002.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

First off, Jeff Ireland does a hell of a job.

Secondly:

Newman
James
Witten
Peterman
Al Johnson
Crayton
Ware
Spears
Burnett
Barber
Canty
Beriault
Petitti
Ratliff
T. Thompson
Pepper Johnson
Carpenter
Fasano
Hatcher
Green
Stanley
Watkins

That's pretty good drafting, IMO. Just because Parcells missed on Jacob Rogers and the jury is still out on Peterman, doesn't mean that Parcells isn't a good judge of talent.

Then, add in all of the free aents that have been brought in (TO, Ferguson, Rivera, etc.) and a whole lotta talent is here.

Taking the character (all except TO) and work ethic of all those players into consideration makes the group look even stronger.

Jimmy Johnson whiffed badly on Stan Smagala, Alexander Wright and some others... Does that make him a bad judge of talent? He wanted Ray Agnew instead of Emmitt Smith... does that mean we needed someone else bringing in the talent? Of course not. Personnel guys simply don't hit on all of their players. They miss a lot of the time... league wide.

Frankly, looking at the good players Parcells has brought in... I don't think anyone could do a better job than he's done since being in Dallas. One heck of a lineup.

Nice lineup. Except only 3 of them are offensive linemen, and Peterman has been an incomplete so far. Johnson is average, and only Pettiti is a quality steal that I believe is just going to get better.

However, If you think Ireland has half the power his title suggests, you're dreaming. JJ & JJ called the shots before him, and JJ & BP call most of them now. Ireland might do a decent job of presenting to them players he and his staff have scouted, some of fine quality, some not so hot, but if you think he has equal say in that war room, you're smoking something. Fine, if you say Ireland is a great GM/Personnel Director, then JJ & BP need to give him as much authority as they do responsibility.

That has been Jerry Jone's weakness his entire ownership. He has no problem delegating titles and responsibilities. However, when push comes to shove, he will make the call the majority of the time. He has given more of that power to BP over the past couple of years in order to appease him, but that's as far as it goes. If you're going to call Mr. Ireland your Personnel guy, let him have at least equal say in the war room. I guarantee Phil Savage has MORE say in the war room than his owner, because Randy Lerner is smart enough to hire the best football people available, then get out of their way.

 

[Alexander]

Does the phrase "training camp body" mean anything to you?

Exactly.

Suddenly signing a body to fill a role is detrimental to the team and indicates we cannot build an OL?

There is plenty of other evidence around to support that idea. Signing some nobody from Canada isn't it. A large part of our scouting department has ties back to the CFL, so it's a quick and cheap alternative. It's not like we are signing him as anything other than fifth or sixth deep on the depth chart.

 

[burmafrd]

I happen to think that Jeff gives better DATA then Lacewell and company did. Usually your decisions are only as good as the DATA you use to make them.

 

[Manster68]

If you think Ireland has half the power his title suggests, you're dreaming. JJ & JJ called the shots before him, and JJ & BP call most of them now. Ireland might do a decent job of presenting to them players he and his staff have scouted, some of fine quality, some not so hot, but if you think he has equal say in that war room, you're smoking something. Fine, if you say Ireland is a great GM/Personnel Director, then JJ & BP need to give him as much authority as they do responsibility.

Exactly Cogan.

BP tells Ireland the type of players he wants, and Ireland presents them to him. Do you not like the players that have been drafted the last couple of years?

The talent on this team has been upgraded greatly since 2002. People just do not realize how bad this franchaise was five years ago. When you factor in changing defensive schemes to a 3-4 (and getting the players to do it), as well as not being able to plug every hole immediately, it takes some time folks.

Parcells is building this team for long-term success. He is making great strides with much thanks to Jeff Ireland and the scouting staff.

I wouldn't trade this team with any other team at this time. The future down the road looks brighter than any other franchaise.

And in the era of free agency, there are always going to be some question marks.

 

[Alexander]

However, when push comes to shove, he will make the call the majority of the time. He has given more of that power to BP over the past couple of years in order to appease him, but that's as far as it goes. If you're going to call Mr. Ireland your Personnel guy, let him have at least equal say in the war room. I guarantee Phil Savage has MORE say in the war room than his owner, because Randy Lerner is smart enough to hire the best football people available, then get out of their way.

What makes you think Ireland doesn't?

The Hatcher pick certainly doesn't have Jerry Jones written all over it.

 

[Manster68]

Alexander, it seems like we are on the same basic wavelength.

 

[ghst187]

So to whiff on a Jacob Rogers is percentagewise normal. People forget that Petitti makes up for that. Second day picks are NOT supposed to be starters.

Seems like Dallas has found several of those in recent years. Much better than the garbage Dallas had on the second day from 1994-2002.

Pettiti doesn't make up for Rogers YET. Hopefully this year and next he will prove to though.


No doubt on the second day garbage...man...a monkey with a computer would've hit at a higher rate than we did.

I'll never forget the steals we got in incomprehensible picks like:
BJ Tucker, Justin Bates, and Quincy Carter to name a few

 

[Bob Sacamano]

much adoodoo about nadda

 

[thor_01]

well the kid was signed obviously as a camp body, but he was a natural guard that they tried to make a tackle in the cfl and couldnt make the transition from his natural position, so they cut him, but he is considered to be a project at guard because he has natural talent at that spot, got that info off sirius canada sports show, and that and 1.50 will buy you a cup of coffee these days

 

[MONT17]

why is it when ranch heads talk about the OL they bring up the front 7!!! What does drafting Jason Hatcher have to do with the title of this thread?


would be nice if some of u can stick to the subject!!!

 

[SuspectCorner]

training camp fodder. all teams sign them. always have - always will...

<yawn>

now, on to the next thread....

 

[Billy Bullocks]

The Answer agrees.....we need to be looking at NFL CALIBUR offensive linemen, not casts offs from the CFL or other minor leagues.

You'd think that the front office would realize this since we have had shoddy offensive line play for several years now, add to the fact that Bledsoe isn't the most mobile guy either obviously.

~The Answer

THIRD PERSON MANG!!!