Dog shot in CA

[5Stars]

I saw on the news today that those 3 police officers were taken off of street patrol for shooting that dog.

 

[5Stars]

Yeah, I chose to save my laying hens. Four had been killed. I would make the same decision again without a second thought. It is not the first time and it won't be the last. I am not going to let any dog kill my livestock. If people wants these pets, they need to keep them on their own place.

Don't you live in a city where there are Animal Control officers? And, can't you fence in you hens better so a dog can't get to them? See, you are part of your own problem just as much as the dog.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yeah, I chose to save my laying hens. Four had been killed. I would make the same decision again without a second thought. It is not the first time and it won't be the last. I am not going to let any dog kill my livestock. If people wants these pets, they need to keep them on their own place.

In your case, i don't believe it would have been national news at all. Its not like someone walked by your house with their pet dog on a leash and said, "How do you do?" and you responded by shooting their dog. You had a stray who was harassing your own animals. Not quite the same situation.

Now, its still a fact that you didn't have to shoot the dog, there are other things you could have done to catch the dog or prevent it from harassing your animals.

Dogs owner is an idiot.. that cop is an idiot. Adds up to a defenseless animal, dogs are widely popular in this country and everyone has positive memories come up when they think of dogs, being shot and killed carlessly and mindlessly. Owner should be beaten and the cop should be fired.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I saw on the news today that those 3 police officers were taken off of street patrol for shooting that dog.

Not enough. For the two that didn't shoot the dog? Sure, take them off the street and investigate into what they said and did during that situation that may have affected the end result.

For the officer that actually made the decision to shoot the dog from a foot away 3 or 4 times? Fire his *** straight up. Its the only reasonable thing to do. There's no way after watching that video you can jusify that response. No way.

 

[5Stars]

Not enough. For the two that didn't shoot the dog? Sure, take them off the street and investigate into what they said and did during that situation that may have affected the end result.

For the officer that actually made the decision to shoot the dog from a foot away 3 or 4 times? Fire his *** straight up. Its the only reasonable thing to do. There's no way after watching that video you can jusify that response. No way.

Well, I never watched the vid, and I only caught a blurb on the bottom of the TV screen that said they were taken off street patrol. I guess if we googled we could find out what really happened to the cops.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Well, I never watched the vid, and I only caught a blurb on the bottom of the TV screen that said they were taken off street patrol. I guess if we googled we could find out what really happened to the cops.

I think the last i heard they are still "investigating the incident".. although im not sure what there is to investigate. It was all on video. The dog jumped out of the car, they panicked, and one of them shot the dog. So many other ways they could have gotten control of the dog there without having to shoot it 4 times and kill it.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Well, I never watched the vid, and I only caught a blurb on the bottom of the TV screen that said they were taken off street patrol. I guess if we googled we could find out what really happened to the cops.

If you haven't watched the video though, you're ok to watch it if you want to see the setup to what eventually happened. When the dog jumps out of the car window and runs up toward the owner in custody and the officers, that's your cue to shut it off.

 

[jnday]

Don't you live in a city where there are Animal Control officers? And, can't you fence in you hens better so a dog can't get to them? See, you are part of your own problem just as much as the dog.

Man, I live in rural Mississippi. There is no such thing as an animal control officer. The people of my community controls animals just fine. Maybe you don't understand land ownership or pet ownership. It is not my responsibility to build fences to keep other peoples animals off my place.

 

[Dodger12]

The officers were taken off the street because of death threats and safety concerns. I give the one officer credit for trying to grab the dog's leash and control the animal to defuse the situation but the dog lunged at him and then again a second time. The police had no choice but to shoot the animal. The police don't have to wait to be bitten to kill the dog. They don't have the luxury to figure out what the dog's intent is. And if a dog approach me, my kids or my family in that manner, that dog would get shot as well. I don't blame the animal; the owner was a jerk and was looking for trouble that day and he put the dog in a car with all four windows rolled down, The police were forced into doing what they did.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Man, I live in rural Mississippi. There is no such thing as an animal control officer. The people of my community controls animals just fine. Maybe you don't understand land ownership or pet ownership. It is not my responsibility to build fences to keep other peoples animals off my place.

Just doing a quick google search, i found between 27 and 122 listings of animal rescue or removal services for the state of Mississippi. You had other options, you chose the one you carried out.

Also, how do you not have some kind of fence around your chickens/hens? This might be the first time i've ever heard of anyone owning that kind of animal without having some kind of "coop" or fenced in area for those animals.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The officers were taken off the street because of death threats and safety concerns. I give the one officer credit for trying to grab the dog's leash and control the animal to defuse the situation but the dog lunged at him and then again a second time. The police had no choice but to shoot the animal. The police don't have to wait to be bitten to kill the dog. They don't have the luxury to figure out what the dog's intent is. And if a dog approach me, my kids or my family in that manner, that dog would get shot as well. I don't blame the animal; the owner was a jerk and was looking for trouble that day and he put the dog in a car with all four windows rolled down, The police were forced into doing what they did.

I agree, the dog owner is an idiot and was looking to make a scene and i hope he receives at least a hefty fine.

I don't agree that the police had no choice but to shoot the animal. They had many choices. Your statement about what you would do in the same situation if a dog was running up on your wife and children is commendable.. but there weren't any familes or children there. It was three, on duty police officers, and one dog.

Plain and simple.. they panicked. Seriously, you don't think there's ANYTHING else they could have done in that situation? How about pepper spray or a taser if they had it? I think its standard for all police officers to carry one of the two, depending on what is legal in each state. Also, how about letting the owner retrieve his dog and then taking him back into custody? Its not like he's a flight risk or some major criminal who's going to flee. Even if he does try to run, you have half the city's cops and a swat team right there, not that he would have gotten that far anyway with that beer belly and those saggy jean shorts.

There were other options, and in addition, its not the first time that particular officer has done something like that. Reading into his background, he was apparently one of 6 officers involved in a case against the Hawthorne PD previously that cost the department a million dollars.

What was the case regarding? Police brutality and corruption.

What did he and the other plaintiffs do? Kicked an already handcuffed man in the face, breaking his jaw, and then were seen on a survaillence video high fiving and laughing about it.

Its time for Mr. Salmon to be sent up the river.

 

[jnday]

The only animal control officers are in the larger towns. They don't come in the county. The animal rescue league only takes animals that are dropped off at their location. Shooting a dog is not pleasant or something that I like. The owner should have kept the dog at home on his place. I have fences and coops, but I let my chickens out for a couple of hours every evening because it is good for them. The main point is that my animals stay on my place. They are not roaming all over the countryside creating problems for other people. It is not uncommon for dogs to attack cattle and other livestock. When you are watching your property being destroyed, other options than killing the dog is not considered. Owners should keep their animals confined so that these problems don't come up.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The only animal control officers are in the larger towns. They don't come in the county. The animal rescue league only takes animals that are dropped off at their location. Shooting a dog is not pleasant or something that I like. The owner should have kept the dog at home on his place. I have fences and coops, but I let my chickens out for a couple of hours every evening because it is good for them. The main point is that my animals stay on my place. They are not roaming all over the countryside creating problems for other people. It is not uncommon for dogs to attack cattle and other livestock. When you are watching your property being destroyed, other options than killing the dog is not considered. Owners should keep their animals confined so that these problems don't come up.

I do agree with alot of what you said here. Owners should have control of their pets and should keep them in their own home/yard so that this wouldn't be an issue. However, i do believe, if you would have looked into it, you could have found an animal removal service in your area that would have come to collect the stray. Not an official animal control officer perhaps, but there are still other services that come and do that job for you. As i said, a 5 second google search revealed as many as 122 animal rescue or removal services offered in the state of Mississippi. I highly doubt all of them only operate in city areas.

I understand your point though, when you are seeing your own animals being killed by the stray, i have no doubt a certain instinct to protect them kicks in.

 

[zrinkill]

There were other options, and in addition, its not the first time that particular officer has done something like that. Reading into his background, he was apparently one of 6 officers involved in a case against the Hawthorne PD previously that cost the department a million dollars.

What was the case regarding? Police brutality and corruption.

What did he and the other plaintiffs do? Kicked an already handcuffed man in the face, breaking his jaw, and then were seen on a survaillence video high fiving and laughing about it.

Its time for Mr. Salmon to be sent up the river.

And Rosby has a previous criminal record, including convictions of resisting arrest, battery, driving under the influence, and suspicion of dog fighting.

Salmon and Rosby are both the bad guys here ....... and the dog paid for it with his life.

I hope Salmon loses his job and Rosby pays for his crimes.

 

[Dodger12]

I don't agree that the police had no choice but to shoot the animal. They had many choices. Your statement about what you would do in the same situation if a dog was running up on your wife and children is commendable.. but there weren't any familes or children there. It was three, on duty police officers, and one dog.

The point is that I'm not going to get bitten by an aggressive dog, not whether there are families in the area. Three police officers, one defendant and one dog, and countless civilians. Maybe the officers could have done something different but because they didn't doesn't make what they did wrong.

Also, how about letting the owner retrieve his dog and then taking him back into custody? Its not like he's a flight risk or some major criminal who's going to flee. Even if he does try to run, you have half the city's cops and a swat team right there, not that he would have gotten that far anyway with that beer belly and those saggy jean shorts.

That's not even reasonable to expect the police will uncuff someone who's in custody so he can retrieve his dog. Come one now..........and the police are supposed to abandon a situation where there's an armed robber in the area to chase this guy down if he does flee? And how do the police know if he is or isn't a flight risk or what his intentions were? There's whole lot of assumptions going on.

There were other options, and in addition, its not the first time that particular officer has done something like that. Reading into his background, he was apparently one of 6 officers involved in a case against the Hawthorne PD previously that cost the department a million dollars.

What was the case regarding? Police brutality and corruption.

What did he and the other plaintiffs do? Kicked an already handcuffed man in the face, breaking his jaw, and then were seen on a survaillence video high fiving and laughing about it.

Its time for Mr. Salmon to be sent up the river.

Do you have a link?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The point is that I'm not going to get bitten by an aggressive dog, not whether there are families in the area. Three police officers, one defendant and one dog, and countless civilians. Maybe the officers could have done something different but because they didn't doesn't make what they did wrong.

That's not even reasonable to expect the police will uncuff someone who's in custody so he can retrieve his dog. Come one now..........and the police are supposed to abandon a situation where there's an armed robber in the area to chase this guy down if he does flee? And how do the police know if he is or isn't a flight risk or what his intentions were?

..and as i said, that's a fair point that you wouldn't want to be bitten. My point is, these are trained, armed police officers.. and they are paid to be more intelligent and make better decisions in pressure situations than normal citizens. There's 3 officers and 1 dog.. again, you think it was reasonable to shoot the thing point blank 4 times? No way in hell.

Again, every officer has either a taser or pepper spray on them. If they didn't want to uncuff the guy for a second to let him get his dog, then another option that would have been much more reasonable than shooting it 4 times point blank would be to use the pepper spray/taser on it.

Also, by the time the police approached the man, supposedly, the robbers had already been caught/taken into custody.. so its not like im suggesting everyone leave their posts in the standoff to go catch this goober. The police know he isn't a flight risk, first because what he did wasn't anything serious and he wasn't even facing serious jail time. Also, because he's had run ins with that department before, so they know exactly who he is and where he lives, etc.. Also, because he turned himself in in the first place.. if he didn't try to flee when he was letting the cops cuff him willingly, you think all of a sudden he's going to try to make a break from 3 officers with a dog in tow?

Honestly, im not the one being unreasonable here.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

The dog owner was being an idiot. There is a crime scene in progress, and he stops his car in the middle of the intersection, gets out, then gets back in and parks by the curb. Allthe other bystanders were across the intersection. This moron is pacing back and forth recording everything with his dog on a leash, and he's closer than anyone else to the situation going down. That is just blatantly stupid. He had his music blaring, they tell him to turn it down, and he ignores them. He was just begging for them to give him some attention. Who puts a dog in the car with all four windows down? Ridiculous.

I am no expert on how to handle an aggressive dog, but I don't think the dog would've even attacked if they weren't needlessly manhandling it's owner. One officer jerked his arm up, even though he'd already calmly put his arms behind his back to be handcuffed. I would think if the dog was going to attack, it wouldn't have stopped directly in front of it's owner and the three officers instead attacking.

Regardless, none of this would've happened if the owner used better judgement.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

Furthermore, how is that people in that community can be brazen enough to send death threats to police officers over an animal? Even sending them to the two officers who didnt even shoot it. Yet the same officer who shot the dog was caught intentionally injuring a helpless human being, celebrated it on camera, and no one cares?

 

[Rack]

Furthermore, how is that people in that community can be brazen enough to send death threats to police officers over an animal? Even sending them to the two officers who didnt even shoot it. Yet the same officer who shot the dog was caught intentionally injuring a helpless human being, celebrated it on camera, and no one cares?

Seriously? He really did that? Wow. How does that "cop" still have a job? Why isn't he in prison?


And to answer your question, it's quite simple... I like dogs more than I like humans.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/08/second-video-dog-shooting_n_3536658.html

Second Video Of Dog Shooting Exonerates Police, Department Says, Lawyers Disagree

Wow. The dept is going to lose that battle in court if they think that second video changes anything. Its the same video of the same things happening. You have a taser or pepper spray, and a baton mot likely as well. All of those should be options before deciding to shoot the dog. Also, like the lawyers said, they could have just let the guy go for a second to retrieve his dog. Shoot first, ask questions later should not be how any armed officer is trained, and the dept seems to be saying that is the standard protocol here.. which is ridiculous.

The reaction didn't fit the "threat" imo, and im sure any decent lawyer in CA could prove that there were plenty of other options that should have been considered before needing to shoot the animal.

Good luck paying out another huge civil suit to the Hawthorne PD, though. They have to be close to bankruptcy by now.