Dog shot in CA

[NeonNinja]

Honestly, I'm not sure how I would react if a cop shot one of my dogs. I do know I would be beyond pissed.

Thanks for not posting the video, don't want to see that.

 

[Teren_Kanan]

If you haven't watched the video you should probably drop the "he provoked them" bit. He clearly did nothing wrong.

He was recording them from behind the cop cars, walked around to get better angles, clearly from behind the cars. When the officers came to confront him, he went to put his dog in his car, and calmly walked up to them, and made no attempt to resist arrest, he turned around calmly and put his hands behind his back. The dog managed to jump out of the window of the car to defend it's owner, and the handcuffed man clearly tried to get his dog to back off. Dog was shot multiple times. The anger I feel after watching the video is enough to make me ok with the thought of the cop being chained to a truck and dragged several miles down the road.

Extreme, and no I wouldn't want it to happen, but it's certainly how the video made me feel.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I had a close call a little over a year ago. My 75 year old grandfather (weeks before he died) was living with me. He had basically lost all his marbles and we had to keep a constant eye on him. One night he got up and wandered around the neighborhood in his underwear around 3 am. Luckily, he only made it a few blocks before some cops posted up in a parking lot found him and brought him home. I guess he remembered my name and the cops were able to look up my address. Anyway, I'm grateful they found him and brought him home, but..... when they knocked on my door at 3 am to drop my grandpa off, my dog--like any dog would do--ran to the front door barking. When I opened the door, my dog ran outside--not at the officers, but to my grandpa. Long story short, at the same exact time, 5 cops draw their guns on my dog and I saw one of their trigger fingers almost completely in. I told them the dog is safe and they put down their weapons. Anyway, it would've been really annoying if my dog got killed that night.

 

[bigdnlaca]

I'm not sure if it is safe to post the interview of the guy. There aren't any curse words or anything negative from the interview, but there are nasty comments from posters. He basically said what I thought I saw.

He said the dog was going to protect him and he stopped the dog from attacking those officers . The officer that shot came forward with the gun already drawn. The dog then went after him and he shot him.

 

[ologan]

His owner seemed to be instigating it. Now I haven't actually watched the entire video, I seriously can't bring myself to do it just out of sheer curiosity, but as someone that has watched the video put it....

"This guy drove up to the scene of the apprehension of an ARMED ROBBERY suspect, blasting his music, slow-rolling the cops. The cops say something over the PA system at least twice and he ignores it and instead, parks his car on the corner with the music still blasting loudly and gets out to purposely antagonize the cops and ignore their orders to turn off the music."

The guy also had run-ins with the police department before and has 6 complaints against them. He antagonized the officers if you ask me, then failed to secure his dog.

I feel for the guy for losing his dog, but I want to smack the living crap out of him for his irresponsible behavior that resulted in his dog's death.

Seems to me the owner wrote a check his dog had to cash, so to speak! Call me skeptical, but I can't shake the feeling "set up"!

 

[Nova]

If you haven't watched the video you should probably drop the "he provoked them" bit. He clearly did nothing wrong.

He was recording them from behind the cop cars, walked around to get better angles, clearly from behind the cars. When the officers came to confront him, he went to put his dog in his car, and calmly walked up to them, and made no attempt to resist arrest, he turned around calmly and put his hands behind his back. The dog managed to jump out of the window of the car to defend it's owner, and the handcuffed man clearly tried to get his dog to back off. Dog was shot multiple times. The anger I feel after watching the video is enough to make me ok with the thought of the cop being chained to a truck and dragged several miles down the road.

Extreme, and no I wouldn't want it to happen, but it's certainly how the video made me feel.

Yeah and you're right, I haven't watched the video. Again I refuse to watch it for no good reason. I'm just stating what can't be found in the video and what it seems like based on that. But hey, I could be wrong.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I had a close call a little over a year ago. My 75 year old grandfather (weeks before he died) was living with me. He had basically lost all his marbles and we had to keep a constant eye on him. One night he got up and wandered around the neighborhood in his underwear around 3 am. Luckily, he only made it a few blocks before some cops posted up in a parking lot found him and brought him home. I guess he remembered my name and the cops were able to look up my address. Anyway, I'm grateful they found him and brought him home, but..... when they knocked on my door at 3 am to drop my grandpa off, my dog--like any dog would do--ran to the front door barking. When I opened the door, my dog ran outside--not at the officers, but to my grandpa. Long story short, at the same exact time, 5 cops draw their guns on my dog and I saw one of their trigger fingers almost completely in. I told them the dog is safe and they put down their weapons. Anyway, it would've been really annoying if my dog got killed that night.

I'm glad the police didn't shoot your dog, or your Grandfather, for that matter.

 

[bounce]

BS. Humans are at the top of the "Food Chain" for a reason. If you can't handle a freaking dog w/o shooting it then you should put the gun under your chin and shoot yourself too.

There isn't a dog on this freaking earth that can take me one on one. I have the ability to think (something that cop obviously doesn't). Only a coward shoots a dog like that. The ONLY way I'd shoot a dog is to end his/her suffering.

Hell, the dude could have pulled his nightstick and shoved in in the dogs throat. Force a gag reflex and it'll remove the "Aggressiveness" from the dog pretty dang quick. Yeah, it'll probably hurt the dog, but no lasting damage and the dog would be ALIVE.

Someone needs to teach that freaking ****** the meaning of "Escalation of force". You don't go straight to "Kill the dog" unless you're a coward and/or a moron.

So, all the people that are killed by dog attacks are really just being weeded out through survival of the fittest? Not speaking of this situation, because it was heinous, but just dog attacks in general. I agree that when it comes to who will eventually come out on top, in a fight with myself and a dog, that I probably (hopefully) will - but not without being *** up in the process. If a dog attacks, it's not because they're trying to just have a fight and walk away. They're going to try and kill you - and if I'm in that situation, I'm going to try and kill that dog - and I think most people would/should do the same.

 

[Nova]

BS. Humans are at the top of the "Food Chain" for a reason. If you can't handle a freaking dog w/o shooting it then you should put the gun under your chin and shoot yourself too.

There isn't a dog on this freaking earth that can take me one on one. I have the ability to think (something that cop obviously doesn't). Only a coward shoots a dog like that. The ONLY way I'd shoot a dog is to end his/her suffering.

Hell, the dude could have pulled his nightstick and shoved in in the dogs throat. Force a gag reflex and it'll remove the "Aggressiveness" from the dog pretty dang quick. Yeah, it'll probably hurt the dog, but no lasting damage and the dog would be ALIVE.

Someone needs to teach that freaking ****** the meaning of "Escalation of force". You don't go straight to "Kill the dog" unless you're a coward and/or a moron.

I agree with the bolded part but...

One-- Humans are at the top of the food chain because of their intellect in groups as well as the use of tools. We are not top of the food chain for our prowess to take on predators one on one. You think wolves were scared of our completely unarmored skin and small, rounded teeth?

Two-- I don't know you so I'll just take your word for it that you can take a dog one on one; it's not farfetched by any means that a man could take on a 120--180 lb molosser type, but not ALL people are equipped to do so. Some people aren't as tough and level headed as you when confronted by something stronger, faster, and generally more threatening than themselves, and there's nothing wrong with that as you've implied. This isn't Sparta.

Three-- Why risk it? Why risk the injury if you've got a solution? This officer may have been able to handle himself in a fight against the dog, but it's not his dog and he doesn't know how vicious he may be. Why risk losing a good chunk of flesh? It's ironic that you mention being on top of the food chain when, in reality, it's decisions like the officer made that our ancestors made to put us on top of the food chain.

I probably would have been one to risk trying to coral the dog because I'm a dog lover, but I'd also probably be hurt in the process.

 

[Rack]

I agree with the bolded part but...

One-- Humans are at the top of the food chain because of their intellect in groups as well as the use of tools. We are not top of the food chain for our prowess to take on predators one on one. You think wolves were scared of our completely unarmored skin and small, rounded teeth?

Two-- I don't know you so I'll just take your word for it that you can take a dog one on one; it's not farfetched by any means that a man could take on a 120--180 lb molosser type, but not ALL people are equipped to do so. Some people aren't as tough and level headed as you when confronted by something stronger, faster, and generally more threatening than themselves, and there's nothing wrong with that as you've implied. This isn't Sparta.

Three-- Why risk it? Why risk the injury if you've got a solution? This officer may have been able to handle himself in a fight against the dog, but it's not his dog and he doesn't know how vicious he may be. Why risk losing a good chunk of flesh? It's ironic that you mention being on top of the food chain when, in reality, it's decisions like the officer made that our ancestors made to put us on top of the food chain.

I probably would have been one to risk trying to coral the dog because I'm a dog lover, but I'd also probably be hurt in the process.

Pretty sure this thread was about a dog being killed, not a wolf.

And btw... wolves don't fight/kill one on one, they hunt in packs.

 

[Nova]

Pretty sure this thread was about a dog being killed, not a wolf.

And btw... wolves don't fight/kill one on one, they hunt in packs.

I knew I shouldn't have used an analogy.

And yes I'm aware of both facts. No I'm not pretending like there are many dogs that pose the same physical capabilities of a grey, and virtually none that possess the same drive/killer instinct, but the point still stands if you cared enough to read through the post... the reason humans are on top of the food chain not because of natural combat prowess (we honestly suck by comparison), but because of innovation.

Unfortunately innovation can be excessive, as in this case, but I'm not going to call out an officer for feeling threatened and reacting the best way he felt at that moment. It's easy to look back on a situation in which we weren't involved and say what we would've done, what he should've done, etc. But it's all talk. All I can say for certainty is I wouldn't have put my dog in that situation in the first place. (Why on earth would you put your dog in a car with the windows rolled down if they're taking you to jail?).

Now if you've had time in law enforcement, military service in times of combat, or been in a situation similar to this one, then I won't stand in the way of your criticisms since you probably have first hand experience in matters like these. I just see things a bit differently.

 

[Tabascocat]

Thing is...the cop wasn't face-to-face with the dog in a dark alley somewhere. He was not alone as there were other officers next to him. Three or four men can handle one dog humanely IMO. He did not deserve to be pelted with multiple bullets.

No matter who is right and wrong here(cops and dog owner), there were other ways that this could have been handled. Will they learn from this, probably not because this will happen again, somewhere.

 

[jnday]

It seems that crimes against humans brings less outrage than a dog being shot these days.

 

[Nova]

Thing is...the cop wasn't face-to-face with the dog in a dark alley somewhere. He was not alone as there were other officers next to him. Three or four men can handle one dog humanely IMO. He did not deserve to be pelted with multiple bullets.

No matter who is right and wrong here(cops and dog owner), there were other ways that this could have been handled. Will they learn from this, probably not because this will happen again, somewhere.

Yeah I don't disagree with that at all. And as someone whose only read stories and seen stills of the video, I'm not going to debate whether or not the cop was in the wrong. I just don't want to criticize him for his actions.

As frankl says: An abnormal reaction to an abnormal situation is normal behavior... or something like that.

I guess ultimately I hope that dog owners don't assign complete blame to the police and will be more responsible for their dogs if such a similar situation arises-- just like people learned not to suddenly jerk their hands from their trench coat pockets when confronted by police.

 

[Denim Chicken]

It seems that crimes against humans brings less outrage than a dog being shot these days.

That is very true.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

If you haven't watched the video you should probably drop the "he provoked them" bit. He clearly did nothing wrong.

He was recording them from behind the cop cars, walked around to get better angles, clearly from behind the cars. When the officers came to confront him, he went to put his dog in his car, and calmly walked up to them, and made no attempt to resist arrest, he turned around calmly and put his hands behind his back. The dog managed to jump out of the window of the car to defend it's owner, and the handcuffed man clearly tried to get his dog to back off. Dog was shot multiple times. The anger I feel after watching the video is enough to make me ok with the thought of the cop being chained to a truck and dragged several miles down the road.

Extreme, and no I wouldn't want it to happen, but it's certainly how the video made me feel.

I've watched the video (unfortunately).. and the guy is an idiot. He pulls up close to the incident blasting loud music with his windows down while there are officers and a swat team in a tense stand off with armed robbers holed up in a house right there. That alone is enough of a distraction in a tense situation like that. Then when they ask him why he's filming, he goes "So no one's civil rights are violated". Seriously?

The guy is an imbecile. He'll be in jail eventually though, so he'll get his. As for the cop? Just as stupid and hopefully is fired from the department and never gets another police job again. How stupid.. so many other ways to get control of the dog there.

 

[jnday]

That is very true.

I had to "take care" of a stray dog recently for killing several of my laying hens. If it would have been captured on video, it would have made national news. This country needs to take a long hard look at it's priorities.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

wow....i mean wow!! fyi, don't post that video

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I had to "take care" of a stray dog recently for killing several of my laying hens. If it would have been captured on video, it would have made national news. This country needs to take a long hard look at it's priorities.

The last statement is true, but its not because we share thoughts of compassion for defenseless animals.

..and you didn't HAVE to "take care" of it.. you CHOSE to.

If you take a few minutes to think about it, its not hard to understand why alot of people get upset about the killing of domesticated "pet" animals.

 

[jnday]

The last statement is true, but its not because we share thoughts of compassion for defenseless animals.

..and you didn't HAVE to "take care" of it.. you CHOSE to.

If you take a few minutes to think about it, its not hard to understand why alot of people get upset about the killing of domesticated "pet" animals.

Yeah, I chose to save my laying hens. Four had been killed. I would make the same decision again without a second thought. It is not the first time and it won't be the last. I am not going to let any dog kill my livestock. If people wants these pets, they need to keep them on their own place.