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DANA POINT, Calif. -- The NFL in recent years has wisely started using the first day of its annual league meeting to debut the schedule for its prime time kickoff weekend games, thereby cranking up the hype machine for the coming regular season.

But while the 2009 season is beginning to come into focus thanks to us learning who's playing in Week 1's biggest games -- for starters, Tennessee at Pittsburgh on Thursday, Sept. 10 -- it may be the last one of its kind for a while. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news regarding 2010 and 2011, but the first of those seasons may bear little resemblance to any in recent NFL history, and the second one may never happen at all.

After a Monday morning spent speaking to NFL club owners and front office executives here at the plush St. Regis Monarch Beach Resort, I've gotten -- really for the first time -- a growing sense that the league's impending labor showdown will all but assure a season with no salary cap in 2010, with a decent bet for a subsequent work stoppage in 2011.

The pessimistic sentiments I heard, usually on deep, deep background, were that people within the league are not only bracing for an uncapped season, they're preparing for it as if it's almost a given at this point. And once that unfolds, it could be a short, hop, skip and a jump to the NFL's first work stoppage in 23 years.

"I can't imagine we get a deal before there's a work stoppage at this point,'' one team's general manager told me. "The players are going to dig in, and that's where this thing is headed.''

Said another club's general manager: "I don't think it's a long shot any more in regards to an uncapped season. It's probably going to happen. It's just the reality now and everyone's dealing with it.''

A third general manager told me that his team's every move this year has been made amid the backdrop of no salary cap next year at this time, and then the strong possibility of a work stoppage in 2011.

"There's a level of acceptance now that this is a reality,'' said the third GM, of 2010 being uncapped due to no new collective bargaining agreement being reached. "You hear it from everyone. From our perspective as general managers, we start being a little more calculated about what we do with our moves in free agency, our moves with re-signing guys to contracts, and such. There's just a general feeling that this is a reality, so let's take care of business. If we don't have some foresight, then our backs may be against the wall.''

What once seemed like a far-off possibility, NFL sources said, is now coming clearly into view. It's not an issue for the distant future any more, and that point was driven home to me Monday when I asked NFL owners and club executives why the doomsday scenario that an uncapped year once sounded like is being viewed quite differently.

"It's not scary at all to us,'' Patriots owner Robert Kraft said of the possibility of playing without a salary cap next year. "There are a lot of pluses to it. It's definitely not a doomsday scenario, and it might have to happen to get things right. I hope it's the vehicle to get us a deal. I hope it's the ultimate hammer.''

Once upon a time, conventional wisdom held that NFL owners wanted no part of an uncapped year because they were fearful that a few rich and aggressive owners (read Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder) would go all George Steinbrenner on them and snap up a boatload of free agents. Such a move would spoil the NFL's unique competitive balance that has so-called small market teams prospering right alongside everyone else.

But in reality, there were so many new parameters built into the CBA's rules for an uncapped season that owners will have anything but free rein to make a killing for their teams in free agency. And I don't think the players really grasp those realities yet anywhere near as well as NFL owners and club executives do.

For starters, once the salary cap disappears, players can't be free agents until they've completed six NFL seasons, rather than four. That means there will be fewer quality young players in the 2010 free-agent pool, and less talent for any spend-happy teams to accumulate.

"That's huge, the six seasons before free agency,'' one of the general managers told me. "But it's also a bit of a funky spot to be in because, let's face it, there are going to be some unhappy players who thought they were about to get to free agency. You've got a guy who just finished his fourth season, but now he's not coming up [for free agency]. That's why I keep saying to some of my agent friends, 'Man, this is real. Don't think this will never happen or that it's going to go away and be fine. You've got to be right about this.' ''

In addition, teams in 2010 would own an extra transition tag, meaning a franchise could use both a franchise tag and a transition tag on two of its own free agents (or two transition tags) in the same season, as opposed to the one or another they get to designate now. Again, that stipulation should serve to limit the quality of the free agents who actually reach the open free agent market.

"The pool of players in free agency shrinks dramatically in the uncapped year,'' another general manager said. "That means the quality of available players is going to be affected, and the ones who actually reach free agency, how good are they really?" Most teams have gotten very good at re-signing their own best players any way. So that uncapped year, with all the contingencies, all the parameters that are in it, those things are real and they're going to keep the rich from getting richer.

And there's more. In the uncapped season of 2010, the league would have a rule called the top eight plan, in which the eight teams that reached the divisional round playoffs in 2009 would have their activity in free agency limited. The NFL's final four teams wouldn't be able to sign an unrestricted free agent until they had lost one of their own. The other four teams among the final eight to be eliminated in 2009 would have some salary restrictions on the free agents they signed, which would serve to keep them from being able to afford any elite free agents.

When you factor in rules that took effect this year once the owners opted out of current CBA last May, they too seem to tilt heavily in favor of the owners, rather than reaping a potential bonanza for players who are no longer working under the salary cap system. This season, a player's base salary can't increase more than 30 percent from one year to the next, which restricts a team's ability to award a contract that includes a huge 2009 raise in anticipation of no salary cap in 2010.

No wonder team owners aren't as worried about life in a cap-less NFL as many assume. When you throw in the fact that there will be no league salary minimum (or salary floor) that teams must spend on players in 2010, some clubs will undoubtedly spend less than they have before.

All of which tells me that NFL owners believe they hold most of the cards when it comes to using the possibility of an uncapped season as leverage in their upcoming negotiations with the players, and that only strengthens their resolve for the potential of showdown over a work stoppage in 2011.

"The uncapped season was built into the design of the collective bargaining agreement for just the reason we have,'' Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said. "Because of the provisions under an uncapped year, there's always been a very legitimate thought that we're better off with those provisions than we were in a capped year.

"So I feel better about our ability to operate without a cap and keep our league competitive and keep the game progressing, moving forward, than any way I could have felt when we were in a capped structure.''

The owners and the league seem prepared for the consequences of an uncapped season and a potential work stoppage in 2011 in a way I can't possibly imagine the players are at this point. Having just this month elected DeMaurice Smith as the NFL Players Association's new executive director, the union is just beginning to approach the upcoming negotiations with a sense of focus. An NFL club source on Monday told me that some owners have implemented far-reaching contingency plans into their business operations that reflect the potential for no season in 2011.

"Some owners have set up every component for the future,'' the club source said. "From building triggers into coaches' and front-office executives' contracts that stop those deals if there's a work stoppage in 2011, to other ways where they found they can limit their exposure and their expenses. They're getting themselves ready for this.''

According to a league source, some NFL owners with particularly huge slices of debt service on the new stadiums that they own and operate have even prepared for a possible work stoppage in 2011 by having "Force Majeure'' clauses inserted into their contracts -- which frees one from liability when an extraordinary event or circumstances beyond the control of the parties prevents one of them from fulfilling their obligations. In other words, if there's no NFL season in 2011, some owners may not get hit as hard as they might have from the loss of revenue.

"It's like anything in life, the wealthiest will be able to survive,'' one general manager said. "But these players are going to be facing the loss of a year of their earning potential in the prime of their careers, a year they can never get back. And they're short careers to start with. Look at the minimum salaries these days. To lose even that for an entire year, there'll be a small group that will be OK. But not most of them. It's going to be tough.''

It sounds like some tougher times are coming in the NFL. After years of labor peace, the rumblings of trouble are very real and drawing nearer all the time. That's why NFL fans would do well to enjoy this coming season, which in a small way got a bit of an unveiling on Monday. Because 2010 and 2011 might wind up looking and feeling very differently than 2009, this is a season that could be remembered as the calm before the storm.
 

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This is one reason I don't get so down and depressed about "disastrous" 9-7 seasons. What would really suck would be a year without football. And unfortunately, I think that's where we're headed.
 

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The owners and players would be stupid to not play given the state of the country.

Note: This is not about politics, so don't make it about politics.
 

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Hostile;2700374 said:
The owners and players would be stupid to not play given the state of the country.

Note: This is not about politics, so don't make it about politics.

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Hostile;2700374 said:
The owners and players would be stupid to not play given the state of the country.

There are a bajillion dollars at stake.

I would bet on the stupidity.
 

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Let the psychological tactics begin ..

The owners are already implementing a divide-and-conquer strategy ..

Players ..... your move ..

-Reality
 

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Mike rhiner from the hardline did a segment on how the nfl, nba and mlb all will have serious labor issues in 2011 and there is a very good chance that all of them could stop in the same year for sometime.

Imagine that. I can fathom the three top sports all having strikes at the same time.

I dont want to even think about sunday afternoons in september and no games to go to.
 

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It is gonna be 1987 all over again.

The "Rhinestone" Cowboys should be awsome :rolleyes:
 

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You know, frankly I hope the cap goes away and never comes back.

Im sick of teams with great traditions getting punished for drafting good (which is basically what the cap does).

Look what the cap did to our beloved Cowboys, the 49ers are another example. There is still no parity in the NFL, theres like 4-6 good teams and everyone else is mediocre. The mediocre team may get lucky from time to time, but thats not the norm.

It was that way before the cap, and it still is, how could the cap be helping the NFL?

Cap = Dynasty Killer.

And yes im greedy I want Jerry to have basically unlimited funds, where we can pick up whoever we want without worrying about the stupid restrictions of a salary cap. Pro bowl back ups, I see no problem with that.

Thats just one part of the current agreement I despise, another is rookie salaries. I dont think a rookie should get a break the bank type contract.



Once upon a time, conventional wisdom held that NFL owners wanted no part of an uncapped year because they were fearful that a few rich and aggressive owners (read Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder) would go all George Steinbrenner on them and snap up a boatload of free agents. Such a move would spoil the NFL's unique competitive balance that has so-called small market teams prospering right alongside everyone else.

Who?
The Lions?
Cleveland?
Cincy?

This is a joke, didnt football exist before the cap era? Why should we have to pay for the ineptness of another team? Small markets were good before the cap. i.e Green Bay.

For starters, once the salary cap disappears, players can't be free agents until they've completed six NFL seasons, rather than four. That means there will be fewer quality young players in the 2010 free-agent pool, and less talent for any spend-happy teams to accumulate.

Good, players will stay with their teams longer, and there is a thing called the draft, and trades.



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Who cares if the cap goes away, I am sure Jerry and Steven have worked this all out and have a plan in place regardless of what happens.

Besides, with no salary cap we can basically pay our guys anything they want so we dont have to sit here and hope that we have the money to resign Ware.

Jerry can get the checkbook out and just start adding zeros until Ware says ok.


I really dont care that much about signing other players in free agency, that is too much like mercenaries. I perfer we home grow our own talent and then resign our own talent without all these stupid restrictions. We should be able to give Ware anything he wants and not have to worry about cutting 3 or 4 guys to do it.


So bring on the end of the salary cap era, will be the best thing for both the Cowboys and the NFL.
 

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Beast_from_East;2700588 said:
Who cares if the cap goes away, I am sure Jerry and Steven have worked this all out and have a plan in place regardless of what happens.

Besides, with no salary cap we can basically pay our guys anything they want so we dont have to sit here and hope that we have the money to resign Ware.

Jerry can get the checkbook out and just start adding zeros until Ware says ok.


I really dont care that much about signing other players in free agency, that is too much like mercenaries. I perfer we home grow our own talent and then resign our own talent without all these stupid restrictions. We should be able to give Ware anything he wants and not have to worry about cutting 3 or 4 guys to do it.


So bring on the end of the salary cap era, will be the best thing for both the Cowboys and the NFL.

Agree with this wholeheartedly.

Sign our guys and build through the draft. Every once in a while, sign a free agent, or trade for a player.
 

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NO wonder JJ is in no rush to resign Ware, Ware wouldn't be a free agent if things go as planned.....

since their might not be a cap, contracts should become guaranteed....

One last thing their would be less Free agents but alot more trades..

and finally if for anything, they need to stop these rookies from getting all this money without playing a down.............
 

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Beast_from_East;2700588 said:
Besides, with no salary cap we can basically pay our guys anything they want so we dont have to sit here and hope that we have the money to resign Ware.

This isn't true - read the entire article. Although uncapped, the players will be severly restricted - top 8 teams basically out of free agency, contracts limited to 30% increases, six accrued seasons before eligibility for FA.

You'll have a large number of older players in FA, but the prime young players will either be under contract, not available or have limited contracts.
 

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And there's more. In the uncapped season of 2010, the league would have a rule called the top eight plan, in which the eight teams that reached the divisional round playoffs in 2009 would have their activity in free agency limited. The NFL's final four teams wouldn't be able to sign an unrestricted free agent until they had lost one of their own. The other four teams among the final eight to be eliminated in 2009 would have some salary restrictions on the free agents they signed, which would serve to keep them from being able to afford any elite free agents.

This is the way Free Agency should have been handled all along.
 

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Players get too big a piece of the pie as it stands today...so expect things to go back to a more equitable arrangement. The salary cap should probably be 20-30% lower than it is today and the rosters should probably have 5 more players.

Note: A players strike would probably be a benefit to the owners...players would lose given the state of economy, etc....
 

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That sound you hear is Commanders fans wringing their hands if the Commish is right.

Goodell: NFL doesn't expect uncapped season in 2010

Sean Leahy of USA TODAY reports NFL owners are formulating a strategy to begin negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement with the players' union, but commissioner Roger Goodell said Monday he expects a new deal will be in place before next March, when the salary cap is set to expire.

"I don't believe that will be the case," Goodell said when asked about the possibilities in an uncapped season in 2010. Owners opted out of the current CBA last year, which will trigger the end of the salary cap if no new deal is reached before next March.

Owners' priorities in the negotiations will include having the costs for building and operating stadiums recognized by the players and instituting a salary cap for rookies, Goodell said in a news conference at the NFL's annual meeting in Dana Point, Calif.

"The challenging times make it even more difficult," Goodell said. "But all that has done is accentuate the negatives of the current agreement.

"It's definitely hitting us on the revenue side, and meanwhile costs are going up."
 

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Hostile;2700652 said:
That sound you hear is Commanders fans wringing their hands if the Commish is right.

Goodell: NFL doesn't expect uncapped season in 2010

Sean Leahy of USA TODAY reports NFL owners are formulating a strategy to begin negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement with the players' union, but commissioner Roger Goodell said Monday he expects a new deal will be in place before next March, when the salary cap is set to expire.

"I don't believe that will be the case," Goodell said when asked about the possibilities in an uncapped season in 2010. Owners opted out of the current CBA last year, which will trigger the end of the salary cap if no new deal is reached before next March.

Owners' priorities in the negotiations will include having the costs for building and operating stadiums recognized by the players and instituting a salary cap for rookies, Goodell said in a news conference at the NFL's annual meeting in Dana Point, Calif.

"The challenging times make it even more difficult," Goodell said. "But all that has done is accentuate the negatives of the current agreement.

"It's definitely hitting us on the revenue side, and meanwhile costs are going up."
Me thinks Goodell is just talking the talk. I don't expect this to get solved so smoothly.

What an informative article, though. I didn't know most of this info.
 

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I wonder what the Eagles will pay their players after the uncapped years.....

As little as they can and field a team.

I feel the current system keeps the NFL competative.
With the draft and re-sign ability.
I would like to see something similar to what is going on now.
No CAP on veterans but minimum salary for players in years in length of service.
A rookie CAP based on actual players numbers from the previous years.
The Draft still in place.
Free agency after 4 years with the two tags.
Keep the split on the TV revenue.
The owners get their fair share of the NFL properties sales - jerseys and whatever from each team - and the players divide some of that pool money.

Take care of the retired players through the properties section income also from using sales of old games on DVD, Computer games, throw back jerseys.....
 

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theebs;2700515 said:
Mike rhiner from the hardline did a segment on how the nfl, nba and mlb all will have serious labor issues in 2011 and there is a very good chance that all of them could stop in the same year for sometime.

Imagine that. I can fathom the three top sports all having strikes at the same time.

I dont want to even think about sunday afternoons in september and no games to go to.

One can always go to church on Sunday and college football on Saturdays. Just an alternative not a suggestion or an optimum solution for all.
 
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