Don Banks on uncapped 2010 labor stoppage 11

[DCBoysfan]

This is one reason I don't get so down and depressed about "disastrous" 9-7 seasons. What would really suck would be a year without football. And unfortunately, I think that's where we're headed.

Good point, I can't imagine no football:bang2:

 

[theebs]

One can always go to church on Sunday and college football on Saturdays. Just an alternative not a suggestion or an optimum solution for all.

let me think.

Umm.

No thanks.

I will hope for the nfl and the rest of the leagues to avoid the labor issues.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The owners and players would be stupid to not play given the state of the country.

Note: This is not about politics, so don't make it about politics.

If I were a mod, this post would be GONE! :laugh2:

 

[RS12]

I love the people who say the players get too much money, hilarious. Nobody ever paid a nickle to watch Jerry Jones tackle Al Davis.:laugh2:

 

[Doomsday]

NO wonder JJ is in no rush to resign Ware, Ware wouldn't be a free agent if things go as planned.....

since their might not be a cap, contracts should become guaranteed....

One last thing their would be less Free agents but alot more trades..

and finally if for anything, they need to stop these rookies from getting all this money without playing a down.............

I dont see anyway the owners are going to guarantee NFL contracts.

 

[RESIN8]

Thank god I'm a bigger college football fan.

 

[zeromaster]

Mike rhiner from the hardline did a segment on how the nfl, nba and mlb all will have serious labor issues in 2011 and there is a very good chance that all of them could stop in the same year for sometime.

Imagine that. I can fathom the three top sports all having strikes at the same time.

I dont want to even think about sunday afternoons in september and no games to go to.

Frankly I'd welcome it. People need a reality check, and the addiction to highlights and hype has helped get us where we are now. No better way to get priorities straight than to lose the things we think we can't live without, and find out that we can after all.

 

[AsthmaField]

I love the people who say the players get too much money, hilarious. Nobody ever paid a nickle to watch Jerry Jones tackle Al Davis.:laugh2:

I might. That would be kinda fun to watch. Davis might snap like the proverbial twig.

 

[AsthmaField]

A third general manager told me that his team's every move this year has been made amid the backdrop of no salary cap next year at this time, and then the strong possibility of a work stoppage in 2011.

Sooooo... what else did Vinny say? Anything about trying to recoup that 2nd round pick he threw away for Jason "I dance when I want to" Taylor?

 

[JFlgn]

This isn't true - read the entire article. Although uncapped, the players will be severly restricted - top 8 teams basically out of free agency, contracts limited to 30% increases, six accrued seasons before eligibility for FA.

You'll have a large number of older players in FA, but the prime young players will either be under contract, not available or have limited contracts.

These are the important points. I don't understand how nobody has pointed out that this is the reason DWare's contract is taking so long. They are trying to figure out a way to pay him what he deserves while still keeping the salary jumps from year to year at 30% increases or less.

If the players let it go past the first uncapped year, they get screwed. Jerry and Stephen are making sure they'll still have the rights to DWare no matter what. I just wish they'd hurry up and figure out the contract.

The players are going to have to figure out a way to settle this. The owners are going to win again. I thought the players would have the benefit that owners would still have to pay stadium leases, but Don Banks wrote in that article that some owners have even figured out a way out of that. Owners win again. Owners continue to roll in the money.

I wonder if the new league will play a roll in all of this at all.

 

[Kangaroo]

You know, frankly I hope the cap goes away and never comes back.

Im sick of teams with great traditions getting punished for drafting good (which is basically what the cap does).

Look what the cap did to our beloved Cowboys, the 49ers are another example. There is still no parity in the NFL, theres like 4-6 good teams and everyone else is mediocre. The mediocre team may get lucky from time to time, but thats not the norm.

It was that way before the cap, and it still is, how could the cap be helping the NFL?

Cap = Dynasty Killer.

And yes im greedy I want Jerry to have basically unlimited funds, where we can pick up whoever we want without worrying about the stupid restrictions of a salary cap. Pro bowl back ups, I see no problem with that.

Thats just one part of the current agreement I despise, another is rookie salaries. I dont think a rookie should get a break the bank type contract.





Who?
The Lions?
Cleveland?
Cincy?

This is a joke, didnt football exist before the cap era? Why should we have to pay for the ineptness of another team? Small markets were good before the cap. i.e Green Bay.



Good, players will stay with their teams longer, and there is a thing called the draft, and trades.



FLAME AWAY.

They go uncap I quit watching it; BaseBall has already become unwatchable

 

[windward]

The idea of a work stoppage frightens me. If we go the scab players route again, yuck.

Faced with no cap and a lockout in 2011


or a new CBA with a modified cap (rookies contracts etc)

Then the choice is obvious.

 

[Apollo Creed]

This shouldn't be about the owners and the players.

This should be about the fans. We should be the one's organizing stoppages, lets show them the reality of $9.00 beers when most people get paid that an hour.

But I happen to be on the sides of the players, I'd rather the money go into the hands of the guys sticking their necks out on the line that typically come from low socioeconomic backgrounds. Than keep perpetuating the owners endless zeros that will only be handed down to their next generation - as opposed to earned by the players.

People try to make it a lot more complicated than it is, but I don't see an end to football.

But the league, and the federal government wouldn't let that much capitol go to waste. Especially in today's economic climate.

 

[Big Dakota]

The owners and players would be stupid to not play given the state of the country.

Note: This is not about politics, so don't make it about politics.

Men never surprise me with their stupidity.

 

[TNCowboy]

This shouldn't be about the owners and the players.

This should be about the fans. We should be the one's organizing stoppages, lets show them the reality of $9.00 beers when most people get paid that an hour.

But I happen to be on the sides of the players, I'd rather the money go into the hands of the guys sticking their necks out on the line that typically come from low socioeconomic backgrounds. Than keep perpetuating the owners endless zeros that will only be handed down to their next generation - as opposed to earned by the players.

People try to make it a lot more complicated than it is, but I don't see an end to football.

But the league, and the federal government wouldn't let that much capitol go to waste. Especially in today's economic climate.

What does the federal gov't have to do with it?

In the grand scheme of things, the NFL is utterly insignificant, from a perspective of the economy as a whole.

The players are employees. They're worth what their employers agree to pay them. If they think they're underpaid, nothing prevents them from walking away from the NFL and doing something else.

So how a person started in life should inversely affect what he or she is paid? That's a conviction that will fix the world's ills, no doubt.

People bash the owners, but it's the owners who risk financial ruin, not the players. The players can walk away at any time, but in the case of owners, such as Jerry Jones, many of them have personally guaranteed hundreds of millions of $$$ in debt. Should the NFL fold, Jerry's essentially bankrupt for what he'll owe on the new stadium. Dan Snyder still has hundreds of million$$$ in debt, so he'd be in the same boat. People will laugh at the notion of the NFL folding, but just a few short years ago, most people in the financial market would have scoffed at the notion of Citibank being near bankruptcy. A year from now we may all be far more concerned with food and shelter than the 2010 NFL draft. If things get that bad, there'll be a lot less zeroes associated with the league's finances.

What's the problem with "endless zeros that will only be handed down to their next generation"? It's their $$$. The players are their employees. Free to get another job any time they please. I find the notion that the gov't should confiscate half of people's $$$ at any time - dead or alive - utterly repugnant.

 

[Apollo Creed]

What does the federal gov't have to do with it?

In the grand scheme of things, the NFL is utterly insignificant, from a perspective of the economy as a whole.

The players are employees. They're worth what their employers agree to pay them. If they think they're underpaid, nothing prevents them from walking away from the NFL and doing something else.

So how a person started in life should inversely affect what he or she is paid? That's a conviction that will fix the world's ills, no doubt.

People bash the owners, but it's the owners who risk financial ruin, not the players. The players can walk away at any time, but in the case of owners, such as Jerry Jones, many of them have personally guaranteed hundreds of millions of $$$ in debt. Should the NFL fold, Jerry's essentially bankrupt for what he'll owe on the new stadium. Dan Snyder still has hundreds of million$$$ in debt, so he'd be in the same boat. People will laugh at the notion of the NFL folding, but just a few short years ago, most people in the financial market would have scoffed at the notion of Citibank being near bankruptcy. A year from now we may all be far more concerned with food and shelter than the 2010 NFL draft. If things get that bad, there'll be a lot less zeroes associated with the league's finances.

What's the problem with "endless zeros that will only be handed down to their next generation"? It's their $$$. The players are their employees. Free to get another job any time they please. I find the notion that the gov't should confiscate half of people's $$$ at any time - dead or alive - utterly repugnant.

Its not though, thats the problem. I won't make this political.

I am almost 100% behind the players.

 

[PullMyFinger]

They go uncap I quit watching it; BaseBall has already become unwatchable

As the famous words of Powers Booth in "Tombstone"



WELL....BYE....

 

[TobiasEagle77]

I imagine that rookie contracts this year are going to be a PIA to negotiate with all the contingencies both players and owners have to take into account. We'll probably see more rookies than ever reporting late to training camp

 

[Beast_from_East]

This isn't true - read the entire article. Although uncapped, the players will be severly restricted - top 8 teams basically out of free agency, contracts limited to 30% increases, six accrued seasons before eligibility for FA.

You'll have a large number of older players in FA, but the prime young players will either be under contract, not available or have limited contracts.

The article talked about restrictions on signing OTHER TEAM'S FREE AGENTS.


I am talking about resigning our own guys like Ware. If you are a top 8 team then you are out of free agency for other players, there is no restriction on resigning your own players.

So we could be a "final 8" team and we could not sign a free agent from another team, but we can resign as many of our own guys as we want.

The 6 accrued seasons again will not affect us resigning our own players, that is just how many years of service is required for a player to be an UFA. Players sign extensions and agree to new contracts with their own team before they are even eligible for free agency all the time.

The 30% rule applies to base salaries from 2009 to 2010. Since there is no CBA past 2010, the 30% rule does not apply. For example, If we sign Ware to a new extension, his base salary cannot increse by more than 30% in 2010 compared to what it was in 2009. However, if he signs an extension in 2010, there is no limit on his base salary in 2011 since there is no CBA.


No CBA means no rules, no 30% rule, no free agency rules, no draft, no salary cap, it would be total open season. All these restrictions you mention are for the uncapped 2010 season only, they do not apply past 2010 since the CBA expires in 2010.