Don't Be Afraid To Hire A College Coach

[philo beddoe]

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=168590

 

[philo beddoe]

That's a good article. We blew it with Petrino--we shouldn't be afraid to hire Stoops.

 

[superpunk]

Great article.

Yeah - Spurrier failed because of Washington's infrastructure. It had nothing to dow ith him having a boner for Danny Wuerffel and Taylor Jacobs.

I love their lineup of successful college coaches. Um....Jimmuh and Barruh won super bowls....and these other guys had winning records. Have a grilled cheese sandwich.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm affraid someone would take your advice and end up like the Skinzers

 

[philo beddoe]

I'd be willing to bet our next head coach comes from the college ranks. He will not be "doomed to failure". LOL

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Stoops hasn't been anything special the last few years. I really don't think he's going to be that great at the NFL level.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Can't say I really agree with that article. I mean, Jack Pardee? That was like 30 years ago. There is no comparison there. Aside from that, you have to say that Pardee was not your run of the mill College Coach. He was a pro player, learned the game from Paul "Bear" Bryant and was one of the original "Junction Boys" back at A&M.

Even Jimmy Johnson is not really a good measure any longer. That's been over 10 years ago and everybody knows all Switzer really did was baby sit Jimmy's team for him. I mean, if you want a guy who can tell you how not to smuggle guns on to planes or maybe a guy who can look good on the sideline while eating a Hot Dog, OK then. Switzers probably your man. The rest is pure BS IMO.

Give me guys who have been able to do it in the last 10 years. Show me those guys and then I can give that point some credibility.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

I totally agree with you ABQ. There's not alot of college coaches I think would make good pro coaches. It's a different animal.

I mean, here are some guys that are mentioned on here alot:

Bob Stoops - his teams have been pretty mediocre without Mike

Les Miles - I don't know why we hear his name. He's coached at LSU for 2 years, and many argue his success comes from Saban's recruiting. I haven't followed LSU that closely this year. But I'm skeptical of giving him teh job.

Jeff Tedford (not sure if he gets that much mention on this board, but you hear his name alot) - With this guy, I say don't do it. The guy is a really good college coach. I'm a huge advocate for the Pac-10, etc., but I really don't think this guy would cut it. Why? Well look at his QB's he's put out. They've all failed at this level. That right there shows you that his system works great in college, but does not translate to this level. Look no further than Spurrier.

I think too many of you have images of Jimmy Johnson swirling around in your heads. Most former college HC who make the jump straight to the NFL these days don't really pan out to well. Off the top of my head, the heralded guys liek Butch Davis, Steve Spurrier, and more recently, Nick Saban come to mind.

 

[Cochese]

I would be terrified to hire a college coach where many times the genious coaches at the level are only that way because of their ability to recruit superior talent.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I totally agree with you ABQ. There's not alot of college coaches I think would make good pro coaches. It's a different animal.

I mean, here are some guys that are mentioned on here alot:

Bob Stoops - his teams have been pretty mediocre without Mike

Les Miles - I don't know why we hear his name. He's coached at LSU for 2 years, and many argue his success comes from Saban's recruiting. I haven't followed LSU that closely this year. But I'm skeptical of giving him teh job.

Jeff Tedford (not sure if he gets that much mention on this board, but you hear his name alot) - With this guy, I say don't do it. The guy is a really good college coach. I'm a huge advocate for the Pac-10, etc., but I really don't think this guy would cut it. Why? Well look at his QB's he's put out. They've all failed at this level. That right there shows you that his system works great in college, but does not translate to this level. Look no further than Spurrier.

I think too many of you have images of Jimmy Johnson swirling around in your heads. Most former college HC who make the jump straight to the NFL these days don't really pan out to well. Off the top of my head, the heralded guys liek Butch Davis, Steve Spurrier, and more recently, Nick Saban come to mind.

i think he at least has nfl coaching experience not as hc though.. that would make him more attractive to me,, I do not want a college coach that has never coached at the NFL.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

I would be terrified to hire a college coach where many times the genious coaches at the level are only that way because of their ability to recruit superior talent.

I agree. Also, it's a differnt type of talent evaluation.

 

[iceberg]

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=168590

right turn clyde.

as much as i want parcells to go, let's get some NFL prepared talent, not college wanna-be's.

 

[Doomsday101]

I have nothing against hiring a college coach however I would be very leery of hiring a college coach who intends on bringing his gimmick offense with him. Like Spurrier with his fun and gun he used at Florida and Pardee with the run and shoot that he was using at the university of Houston. Guys like Jimmy Johnson came to the NFL without his Miami offense he hired David Shula and when that did not work he brought in Norv whose offense was nothing like what the Hurricanes were running.

 

[Jay]

No thanks.

 

[philo beddoe]

Once Parcells leaves we'd be lucky to get Bob Stoops. You don't win the national championship every year, especially these days. Getting Stoops would be a breath of fresh air at Valley Ranch. He wouldn't come unprepared, he may not even want the job. Watch Petrino in Atlanta, I'll bet he does well. Ruling out college coaches as a whole is plain dumb, though.

 

[philo beddoe]

And don't forget--we almost hired Terry Donahue after Barry Switzer left. Jerry lowballed him on salary, though.

 

[Cochese]

Once Parcells leaves we'd be lucky to get Bob Stoops. You don't win the national championship every year, especially these days. Getting Stoops would be a breath of fresh air at Valley Ranch. He wouldn't come unprepared, he may not even want the job. Watch Petrino in Atlanta, I'll bet he does well. Ruling out college coaches as a whole is plain dumb, though.

Bob Stoops is exactly the type of guy my original post was talking about.

 

[Doomsday101]

If we hire Stoops I just hope we don't have to face Boise State.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Once Parcells leaves we'd be lucky to get Bob Stoops. You don't win the national championship every year, especially these days. Getting Stoops would be a breath of fresh air at Valley Ranch. He wouldn't come unprepared, he may not even want the job. Watch Petrino in Atlanta, I'll bet he does well. Ruling out college coaches as a whole is plain dumb, though.

Championships every year? They haven't won since Mike Stoops ran that defense. Bob Stoops is the epitome of a guy who can recruit like hell, and hence has a more talented team. Sure he's a good college coach, but I don't think it will translate into the NFL. In college, you can get by with superior athletes, in the pro's, everyone is a great athlete.

If we hire Bob Stoops, we'll suffer through 2 or 3 bad years and have to cut our losses. I just don't see him doing it at this level.

 

[zeromaster]

There are some decent points to the article, foremost the need to have a good staff. He does overlook the aspects of "win NOW", but at least the mention of a good organization; practically a given. The prior-HC route is littered with failures, so whether you go the "hot assistant", "prior NFL HC success", or "hot college" route, almost every one of them can be nitpicked into a non-hire based on the posts I see here.

When we hired Parcells, I think a good number of fans envisioned being in the NFC championship in the 3rd or 4th year. Well, we're still waiting. Assuming the Great Buddha is back for another go, I think even more of the faithful will admit to some degree that there better be substantial postseason progress, or this has just been a PR move as much as a talent upgrade for the last few years.

I understand wanting to have a better field of HC candidates than what may be present now, especially if people like Cowher or Fisher are being considered at the Ranch for next year. Just remember that while Cowher has a recent SB ring, there is some controversy about that game, right or wrong. Had some calls turned out differently, he could still be a bridesmaid. And the ability to duplicate previous success elsewhere is even harder. With Fisher, there's even less to go on. Admittedly the team should look more consistent and inspired with either of them at the helm than what we've seen over the last couple of months this year. And hopefully the same will be true if the Tuna leads them next season (like we have any say in it anyway).

No matter what way Jones turns, it's a risk. The higher the profile, the greater the pressure. And I doubt there'll be a majority agreement for most of the possibilities.

Ponder this on the Tree of Woe...
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