Down the Drain (Notre Dame)

[CanadianCowboysFan]

While it is true that Notre Dame is 0-9 in their last nine bowl games, the good news for the Irish is that they probably won't have to worry about another bowl loss this year (or a bowl appearance for that matter).

Hehehehe. I don't know what I like better, Notre Dame not getting to a bowl or getting to one on name alone and being trashed by a vastly superior program.

 

[jay cee]

Just look at who is LEFT from Willinghams last 2 classes. You have not bothered to do that clearly. Weis is having to start who he has- nobodies or kids. His first class was all he could salvage from Willinghams LAST class which was pathetic. HIS classes are fresh and sopomores. And a lot of them are playing when they should be redshirting- but unlike Michigan, OSU, USC, etc ND only redshirts on INJURIES and then not all that often. Just love the ignorance here.

Willingham might have accomplished the same thing the last two years that Weiss accomplished.

It's obvious that the team will struggle this year. I don't think they will be a BCS contender next year either. If he can't have them in contention by '09, he's no better than Willingham and not worth the big extension IMO.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

-8 rushing yards in 2 games

that's un-heard of

 

[jman]

I guess now that the Patriots have no use for that "extra" film crew, maybe Charlie can call Bill and ask to use them.

 

[burmafrd]

Love the ignorance shown here by the canadian. Hard to explain that from the rest- but then there are a lot of skins fans as well. Canadian- you hate ND but your opinion is supposed to count while mine as an Irish fan doesn't. Love your logic but then I expect that from you.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Love the ignorance shown here by the canadian. Hard to explain that from the rest- but then there are a lot of skins fans as well. Canadian- you hate ND but your opinion is supposed to count while mine as an Irish fan doesn't. Love your logic but then I expect that from you.

Soldier boy, I never said I was unbiased regarding South Bend City College, however you make out like you are not just a Notre Dame honk.

You running around yapping about the academies being real opponents is more you trying to convince yourself than convincing me.

 

[joseephuss]

Notre Dame often schedules very weak teams. Just like their game this week against lowly Michigan.

I think ND has often gotten a bad rap for their scheduling. Yes, the acadamies are not strong teams, but they balance that out with some tough games. Traditionally Michigan and USC are tough teams.

They usually face off with Michigan St. and Purdue. Not always great teams and sometimes bad, but most times middle of the road teams. The rest of the Big 10+ has to face them and don't see them as walk overs. Same with Boston College most years.

Then sprinkle in comparable teams such as Georgia Tech and UCLA on this years schedule. Other middle of the road games depending on the types of years those teams are having. This is an up year for both those schools. Maybe in a few years, whichever two teams replace them may also be having up seasons or down seasons.

There is no denying that Army, Air Force and Navy are usually not good teams. They tend to face two of the three each season and every now and then all three. Every conference out there has teams like this at the bottom of the standings.

All in all their schedule is comparable to most of the major players in college football. It may not matter this year because they are just not good.

I don't know how they are ever going to get more the top talent any more. The program no longer has the luster and appeal to get the top names. Used to be one of the only shows in town. Now there are so many options. A guy doesn't have to go to ND or any of the traditional powers for that matter to get exposure. You can go to what were traditionally second tier teams and play on television each week, play and practice in state of the art facilities and have a good college career. Parity has brought ND back to the pack and they may not pull away again. Their higher admission standards and scholarship limitations no longer make them a big boy in NCAA football. They can get back there, but it will be very tough to do.

 

[peplaw06]

Notre Dame often schedules very weak teams. Just like their game this week against lowly Michigan.

I think ND has often gotten a bad rap for their scheduling. Yes, the acadamies are not strong teams, but they balance that out with some tough games. Traditionally Michigan and USC are tough teams.

They usually face off with Michigan St. and Purdue. Not always great teams and sometimes bad, but most times middle of the road teams. The rest of the Big 10+ has to face them and don't see them as walk overs. Same with Boston College most years.

Then sprinkle in comparable teams such as Georgia Tech and UCLA on this years schedule. Other middle of the road games depending on the types of years those teams are having. This is an up year for both those schools. Maybe in a few years, whichever two teams replace them may also be having up seasons or down seasons.

There is no denying that Army, Air Force and Navy are usually not good teams. They tend to face two of the three each season and every now and then all three. Every conference out there has teams like this at the bottom of the standings.

All in all their schedule is comparable to most of the major players in college football. It may not matter this year because they are just not good.

I don't know how they are ever going to get more the top talent any more. The program no longer has the luster and appeal to get the top names. Used to be one of the only shows in town. Now there are so many options. A guy doesn't have to go to ND or any of the traditional powers for that matter to get exposure. You can go to what were traditionally second tier teams and play on television each week, play and practice in state of the art facilities and have a good college career. Parity has brought ND back to the pack and they may not pull away again. Their higher admission standards and scholarship limitations no longer make them a big boy in NCAA football. They can get back there, but it will be very tough to do.

Another thing about the ND schedule argument. Typically the toughest part of their schedule is at the beginning. That's because they're an Independent, and once the conference teams start playing conference schedules, they have no choice but to schedule the academies and sprinkle in a USC or Michigan State on conference bye weeks.

I hate the schedule arguments anyway. If you had a playoff system, it would be a non-factor, a la the NFL.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Every conference has patsies, no doubt about it.

However, it is rare that a conference would have say the equivalent of the academies, Stanford, Rutgers (which usually is bad), BYU etc

I just hate the "we play a brutal schedule" argument. They aren't forced to play anyone because they are too chicken to play in a conference.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Just look at who is LEFT from Willinghams last 2 classes. You have not bothered to do that clearly. Weis is having to start who he has- nobodies or kids. His first class was all he could salvage from Willinghams LAST class which was pathetic. HIS classes are fresh and sopomores. And a lot of them are playing when they should be redshirting- but unlike Michigan, OSU, USC, etc ND only redshirts on INJURIES and then not all that often. Just love the ignorance here.

Again, you still have yet to explain how Weis was able to coach Willingham's initial classes but suddenly can't coach his recent class. A good coach also develops talent. Regardless if Willingham recruited those athletes, they were under the tutelage of Charlie Weis so they should have improved or shown enough ability to compete if Weis is truly a genius. Furthermore, being a sophmore is no excuse. The overwhelming majority of great college football players played well during their sophmore year. At the very least, ND should have scored one TD on offense and more than minus 8 rushing yards in their first two games. Your logic is faulty at best.

 

[Cochese]

Again, you still have yet to explain how Weis was able to coach Willingham's initial classes but suddenly can't coach his recent class. A good coach also develops talent. Regardless if Willingham recruited those athletes, they were under the tutelage of Charlie Weis so they should have improved or shown enough ability to compete if Weis is truly a genius. Furthermore, being a sophmore is no excuse. The overwhelming majority of great college football players played well during their sophmore year. At the very least, ND should have scored one TD on offense and more than minus 8 rushing yards in their first two games. Your logic is faulty at best.

The 'blame Tyrone' excuse cant last much longer.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

The 'blame Tyrone' excuse cant last much longer.

In fairness to ND, I don't think race had to do with why they courted Weis and not Willingham. Offense is always more attractive to boosters and fans. Willingham was a defensive minded coach that was very conservative while Weis was an aggressive offensive minded coach. That being said, I do think ND jumped the gun and made a very poor decision to extend the contract of a coach who had yet to truly prove himself.

 

[Cochese]

Just look at who is LEFT from Willinghams last 2 classes. You have not bothered to do that clearly. Weis is having to start who he has- nobodies or kids. His first class was all he could salvage from Willinghams LAST class which was pathetic. HIS classes are fresh and sopomores. And a lot of them are playing when they should be redshirting- but unlike Michigan, OSU, USC, etc ND only redshirts on INJURIES and then not all that often. Just love the ignorance here.

So Weis is not allowed to recruit Juco players or go after transfers? What will domers do when they cant blame the old coach anymore? Come to the realization that your stuck with Heartattack Charlie and his huge contact that he earned after he scammed his way through the NFL?

Pretty funny that Demetrius Jones said "F this, Im outta here" this week. Best decision of his life.

 

[Cochese]

My god, they are horrible.

 

[Cochese]

USC might score 75 on this team. This is just horrible. Offensive genius Weis cant even coach his players to snap correctly or take a handoff.

 

[Cochese]

At the half

Michigan-31 ND-0
Washington-7 tOSU-3

 

[Cochese]

its finally over. ND is one of the worst college fb teams I have ever seen. Thank god they have Weiss until 2015.

 

[Concord]

At the half


Washington-7 tOSU-3

Final

Ohio St -33 Washington -14

 

[Cochese]

Final

Ohio St -33 Washington -14

True, OSU pulled it off. But Tyrone STILL has 2 victories, and his team scored atleast 1 offensive touchdown that I saw.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Final

Ohio St -33 Washington -14

Oh, so you mean Washington scored, I wonder if Notre Dame did?