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NotaCowboysFan said:
You're comparing him to other cowboys qbs, not the league currently. If you look at league QB play a bit more objectively I'd argue there are more decent QBs than ever before. There's only a handful of teams in the league that actually have what I would consider "bad" QBs. Dak was definitely below "good" last season before he got injured but historically has been good to great but he's getting older and less mobile so his future projection doesnt look promising. That said given history I'd put him at the tail end of good but could easily see him competing with a number of the guys in average as well, there's just not alot of faith in a resurgence of Dak.

On that list the only QBs I see that are what I would consider "bad" are Daniel Jones and Justin Fields, at least established bad. Next up are potentially bad, the younger guys like young and maye and williams depending on how the season plays out. All have potential but currently none has shown they can elevate their team. Also why is Maye in "too early" compared to the guys in wait and see when he played 13 games last year. Also Daniels and Bo Nix played well enough to know they at least have a home playing NFL football, you're only waiting and seeing with them to see how good they can actually be, but if based on how they played last year they I'd put Nix in good and at minimum Daniels in great, considering he beat both the other two QBs in "great" in the playoffs last season, with a worse overall team.
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I was comparing Carter to both Cowboys QBs and the QBs of his specific time.

Of course all the quarterbacks of today are going to look better. The rule changes favor them to the point that a menacing glance is considered roughing the quarterback.

The quarterbacks of today have higher scores because the rule changes were specifically designed to make that happen.

The quarterbacks of today aren't better, they are just playing under better circumstances. You should look at some of the older games on YouTube.

In 1978 Roger Staubach led the league in passer rating with an 84.9. Last season, 2024, there were 28 NFL quarterbacks that surpassed that QB rating.

This is because 1978 was the last season without QB protection rules and penalties.

In 1978 there was no such thing as "in the grasp" and "roughing the quarterback" was synonymous with homicide.

There were no "defenseless player" rules. A potential receiver could be struck in midair with both feet off the ground.

There was no 5-yard rule for receivers and defensive backs.


I sometimes feel bad for modern fans because they will never be able to appreciate a true defensive struggle in the NFL.

So by today's standards, sure, Carter's numbers wouldn't land him on a practice squad. Nor would Roger Staubach's.

So now, comparing Dak's numbers to the standards of today, he is a good quarterback.

There are 60 NFL quarterbacks that have thrown 500 or more passes and were listed as active at the end of last season.

Of those 60, Dak is ranked 8th in passer rating, 7th in completion percentage, tied for 8th in yards per attempt, tied for 10th in TD percentage, and tied for 15th in lowest INT rate.

That puts Dak in the top 25% of every single category. By any standard, old or new, Dak Prescott is, at the least, a good quarterback.

Dak cannot be considered great because the great ones help their teams do great things and that accomplishment has yet to be checked off.

However, when Dak Prescott plays a full season, the Cowboys have never had a losing season and they reached the playoffs five of those seven seasons.
 
plasticman said:
I was comparing Carter to both Cowboys QBs and the QBs of his specific time.

Of course all the quarterbacks of today are going to look better. The rule changes favor them to the point that a menacing glance is considered roughing the quarterback.

The quarterbacks of today have higher scores because the rule changes were specifically designed to make that happen.

The quarterbacks of today aren't better, they are just playing under better circumstances. You should look at some of the older games on YouTube.

In 1978 Roger Staubach led the league in passer rating with an 84.9. Last season, 2024, there were 28 NFL quarterbacks that surpassed that QB rating.

This is because 1978 was the last season without QB protection rules and penalties.

In 1978 there was no such thing as "in the grasp" and "roughing the quarterback" was synonymous with homicide.

There were no "defenseless player" rules. A potential receiver could be struck in midair with both feet off the ground.

There was no 5-yard rule for receivers and defensive backs.


I sometimes feel bad for modern fans because they will never be able to appreciate a true defensive struggle in the NFL.

So by today's standards, sure, Carter's numbers wouldn't land him on a practice squad. Nor would Roger Staubach's.

So now, comparing Dak's numbers to the standards of today, he is a good quarterback.

There are 60 NFL quarterbacks that have thrown 500 or more passes and were listed as active at the end of last season.

Of those 60, Dak is ranked 8th in passer rating, 7th in completion percentage, tied for 8th in yards per attempt, tied for 10th in TD percentage, and tied for 15th in lowest INT rate.

That puts Dak in the top 25% of every single category. By any standard, old or new, Dak Prescott is, at the least, a good quarterback.

Dak cannot be considered great because the great ones help their teams do great things and that accomplishment has yet to be checked off.

However, when Dak Prescott plays a full season, the Cowboys have never had a losing season and they reached the playoffs five of those seven seasons.
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Most of what you just said was irrelevant to my response, I'm talking about where Dak ranks against today's players while you were talking about him compared to past players. I'm well aware today's QBs have it on easy mode as most offensive players do, compared to the past.

Look at a list of all the starting QBs in the league, he's not at the top, fighting for at best the bottom of the upper third which this list has him exactly at at #12 and I'd argue there's a few more players you could put ahead of him. Last season he was below average and then got another injury on an aging and slowing body which doesnt inspire confidence. Thus as of right now he's on that cusp of "average" and good but I'd lean toward average, especially given who's on that average list, until he shows otherwise. Dak like most of even the average players on that list are capable of popping off and winning games but there is a lack of trust of consistently doing it and rising to the occasion needed to win big games.
 
Bob-Lillys-War said:
Ranking Dak with anything higher than 'average' when he hasn't won a conference championship is WILD .
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So, the only NFL quarterbacks who are above average or better have all played in a Super Bowl?

Allen? Jackson?

I get it that your comment is intended to run Dak down but it isn’t consistent with logic.

Good is fine for him.

It’s also “bad enough” that it should satisfy those who dislike Dak.
 
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CWR said:
Not if his goal is simply to force a trade. The league knows our team doctors cleared him. Unless this second opinion pulls out some ridiculous MRI's etc, teams will proceed to negotiate. All deals would be contingent on him passing a physical with their team doctors regardless. So whoever deals for him isnt any more vulnerable than normal.

Hes giving Dallas the extra incentive to part ways by demonstrating how letting him play it out and tagging him will not work.
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Not sure if many remember Keyshawn Johnson and Jon Gruden's fall-out with the Bucs. Although their fallout wasn't about contract issues but he was deactivated for half a season.

This IMO is now beyond Schotty's authority......Jerry will make ALL decisions when he plays
 
revospeed said:
Never serious enough for Micah to get anything done about it. He knows his body. Its his responsibility to get it checked out. When he got it checked out, it was fine. He wants a second opinion. It’s obvious what he’s doing. If you can’t see it, get glasses.
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I will look it up but I wonder what the CBA says about a player's right to get 2nd opinion.



This copy and paste from AI

AI Overview


Yes, the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) explicitly grants players the right to seek a second medical opinion after an injury
. This right, outlined in Article 39, Section 6, gives players more control over their medical treatment and diagnosis.
Key provisions for a second opinion
  • Club pays for the cost: The team is required to cover the costs associated with the second opinion, provided the player follows certain procedures.
  • Player consults with the team physician: Before visiting the second doctor, the player must consult with the club physician and give "due consideration" to their recommendations.
  • Report sent to the team: The player is required to promptly furnish the club physician with a copy of the second doctor's report, including their diagnosis and recommended treatment.
  • Player can follow the second opinion: An NFL player has the right to follow the "reasonable medical advice" of their second-opinion physician. This applies to decisions on diagnosis, surgery, treatment, and rehabilitation.
  • Player chooses the surgeon: If surgery is necessary, the player has the right to select their own board-certified surgeon, though they must first consult with the club physicia
 
The most distressing part of that post from Slater is the fact that the Cowboys are OFF until Friday. Are you kidding me??
I'm done with Parsons.
 
noshame said:
The most distressing part of that post from Slater is the fact that the Cowboys are OFF until Friday. Are you kidding me??
I'm done with Parsons.
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I don't totally agree with his behavior, attitude, and handling of this, but Jerry's hands certainly aren't clean. He has had 2 years to resolve this before it got to this point.......
 
big dog cowboy said:
They better not cut Houston to make room!
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He's your guy now, and a 'hot' play? I like what he has shown to here. Now it's up to the supposed head of the defense, Parsons, to put his mold on the unit. He hasn't shown up but on the media and table yet?
 
BoyzBlaster said:
Who gives a crap? Do the same exercise for playoffs - that's all that matters to many of us.
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I agree with the man. First a team has to get to the it counts show and fight it out then, I pay my dues to get to root, thank you.

I love the playoffs and that is where coaching jobs are won and lost. Final one game results! I agree but still support the team through thick and thin.
 
Floatyworm said:
Remember Lee getting rocked....and honestly...I don't blame Tate one bit. As a defensive player you are taught to keep your head on a swivel....Just goes to show Dallas has never drafted players that know the fundamentals of football. They go off that crazy analytical SPARs crap. Give me a guy that knows how to play.
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Lee didn't know fundamentals and wasn't a football guy but a spar guy? Lol
 
cowboyec said:
i remember dan quinn was pumped when we got him a few years ago.
then he got plucked off our ps...and i lost touch of where he went after that.
was a teammate of marquese bell in college.
glad he's back.
he was impressive around the edge when he was here.
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Good snap shot here...
 
Pass2Run said:
It all starts up front.

That said, you're a fool if you don't realize this is a pass first team, and a passing team in general.
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They need to stop trying to convince us otherwise that they're ground and pound
 
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