Draft day trade

[LatinMind]

Any think there could be a trade for spencer? I know we keep hearing theyre working on a deal. But i think he might be asking for more than what they want to pay. So you risk paying him 18 mil for 2 yrs and let him walk? Because its 100% safe to say he wont be franchised next yr

 

[DFWJC]

Sure, if Dallas could get very good value, I'd trade him.
That will be tough in this market.

One issue with trading him is that we already have more holes to fill than premium draft picks and/or FA dollars can fill. So if we add to the list a starting SDE, that pushes us deeper in a hole.

I suspect that he signs this week.

 

[tm1119]

29 year olds with 1 year deals just aren't going to get you much in terms of draft picks. I can't imagine getting much more than a 3rd for Spencer. Im not crazy about giving Spencer aong term deal, but I'd much rather see what he has this year before I dump him for what we are likely to get in return

 

[LatinMind]

If Dallas could get a 3rd for him i think they would jump on it quick. But i think a 4th is more realistic. You risk more playing with him on a yr contract. With contracts of Dez, Carter, Lee, Murray coming up i doubt they would even offer anything to Spencer. So its either work out the deal, which i dont see him signing something Dallas wants. Jerrys has said this from the start. Or trade him.

 

[Idgit]

If we thought enough of the player to franchise the guy, we're not going to trade him for a song.

Anything less than a 2nd, and we shouldn't be interested. That is, unless we're sure we're not going to meet his price. I gather we're not all that far apart from his camp on pricing, though, since both sides have talked about a deal being possible. We're probably just waiting until after the draft to see how things shake out at this point, since it's highly possible one of the DEs slides if the OLs go earlier than expected.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I just don't get the point of trading for him unless you get a 1st(unlikely) or a 2nd(maybe?) for him. It seems like some guys just want to get something for a guy. I'd rather have Spencer play this year on the franchise then trade anything other than a 1st or 2nd for him. He's a 1st round talent yet you can't get equal value for him so why trade him?

 

[LatinMind]

If we thought enough of the player to franchise the guy, we're not going to trade him for a song.

Anything less than a 2nd, and we shouldn't be interested. That is, unless we're sure we're not going to meet his price. I gather we're not all that far apart from his camp on pricing, though, since both sides have talked about a deal being possible. We're probably just waiting until after the draft to see how things shake out at this point, since it's highly possible one of the DEs slides if the OLs go earlier than expected.

What are they going to say "Its not going to get done"?

 

[Little Jr]

I just don't get the point of trading for him unless you get a 1st(unlikely) or a 2nd(maybe?) for him. It seems like some guys just want to get something for a guy. I'd rather have Spencer play this year on the franchise then trade anything other than a 1st or 2nd for him. He's a 1st round talent yet you can't get equal value for him so why trade him?

So you're good with paying him 18 mil for 2 years and letting walk for free? If they don't or can't get a deal done that's what's gonna happen.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Any think there could be a trade for spencer? I know we keep hearing theyre working on a deal. But i think he might be asking for more than what they want to pay. So you risk paying him 18 mil for 2 yrs and let him walk? Because its 100% safe to say he wont be franchised next yr

don't see him being traded at all..

 

[Eskimo]

We could get as high as an end of the 3rd round compensatory pick for him based on his play the last couple of seasons.

I think it was a big mistake to franchise him and we should have let him walk. But he signed the tender and it is too late to take it back.

I would have rather used that cap space on Brandon Moore. We could have focused on getting a DL in the draft to replace Spencer. We would have money left over to sign a better safety in FA to round out this defense.

Unforunately, Jerry falls in love with his above average vets and can't stand to let any former Pro Bowlers ever leave without an overly generous second contract. I'm actually pleasantly surprised that they haven't given him 5 years $55M already. I keep praying that we let him play out the franchise tender and then let him walk. Hopefully we get a first round pass rusher and get some major progress from Tyrone Crawford in his second year.

 

[Idgit]

What are they going to say "Its not going to get done"?

Yeah, why not? Players go into their final year with teams all the time, and it's just left open-ended. When both sides say a long-term deal is possible, they're usually trying to work something out.

I don't know if it'll get done. If I were Dallas, I might want to see him play a bit and then work something out mid-season if he looks to have handled the transition to DE as well as expected.

 

[jnday]

I just don't get the point of trading for him unless you get a 1st(unlikely) or a 2nd(maybe?) for him. It seems like some guys just want to get something for a guy. I'd rather have Spencer play this year on the franchise then trade anything other than a 1st or 2nd for him. He's a 1st round talent yet you can't get equal value for him so why trade him?

One reason to trade him is the salary cap. Resigning him will put more strain on the cap in the next few years and the cap is in really bad shape for the next couple of years. Another reason is age. You don't resign 30 year old players to a long term contract IMO. Yet another is getting a return on the first round pick invested instead of getting nothing much like the Mike Jenkins and Felix Jones situation.

Keeping Spencer this year without getting any return would be fine if this team was ready for a Super Bowl run. It is a gamble to spend all this money for one year with him playing and get nothing. The Jenkins situation should have taught a lesson. The draft pick is needed in this draft.

The Cowboys are overpaying Spencer this year anyway with the franchise tag. This free agent period has several DEs that signed much cheaper than Spencer and offered better value. When the Cowboys tagged Spencer, they took a gamble that the free agent DEs would sign for much more. They gambled and lost.

I am ine of the guys that wants to get some return on these first round picks instead of watching them walk away. Do you really think it is worth overpaying him this year and watching him walk away ? This is not a Super Bowl contending team. If they go 9-7, is keeping him a good move? It seems like keeping him is short sighted with no planning for the future.

 

[TwoDeep3]

If we thought enough of the player to franchise the guy, we're not going to trade him for a song.

Anything less than a 2nd, and we shouldn't be interested. That is, unless we're sure we're not going to meet his price. I gather we're not all that far apart from his camp on pricing, though, since both sides have talked about a deal being possible. We're probably just waiting until after the draft to see how things shake out at this point, since it's highly possible one of the DEs slides if the OLs go earlier than expected.

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[Little Jr]

Well none of us know what they are offering or what he is asking for. All I know is if we sign him to a huge contract or let him play the year under the tag and just let him walk for nothing after paying him 18 mil in 2 years will be a huge mistake.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Am I the only one that thinks the guy is not worthy of a franchise tag to begin with ?

Ehh... He is good, but franchise tag to me means what it was intended to mean...superstar. He is not that player on any team.

 

[Nightman]

He should be signed to a 5 year deal that is front loaded with bonus and back loaded with salary. Spencer and Ware are one of the best DE combos in football. Spencer is 29 and Ware is 30. They have at least 5 good years left.

Focus on OL/DL, FS and OLB in the draft.

 

[Eskimo]

He should be signed to a 5 year deal that is front loaded with bonus and back loaded with salary. Spencer and Ware are one of the best DE combos in football. Spencer is 29 and Ware is 30. They have at least 5 good years left.

Focus on OL/DL, FS and OLB in the draft.

I love Ware but I don't see him playing at a high level much longer. He was totally broke down by the end of last year. He also finished 2011 with a whimper. He has had major issues with his neck since that injury in Tampa at the start of the 2009 season which was further aggravated in the SD game later that year when he was carried off the field. Well that injury has become a bigger and bigger issue in each of the last 3 seasons. This past season it acted up in TC and then hung around all season long and limited his effectiveness. By the end of the year he also had a shoulder and elbow injury. I don't believe he can play more than 3 more years unless they can fix this problem and my own gut says they can't do anything about it because it is likely degenerative so there is no medical fix.

As far as Spencer goes, he might play 5 more years but he has a very borderline burst and doesn't have much in the way of pass rush moves. I honestly don't expect him to sniff 10 sacks again even though he'll be getting more pass rush opportunities in the new defense.

DE is definitely a big need with both of these guys getting old, Ware chronically injured and no real backup behind them on the roster with Butler gone. Crawford can play out there if need be and that may be where they put him this year although he may be better suited to put on 10-15 pounds and play the 3 technique DT.

We may be able to find someone in the draft. We can use a DT too since Rat is broke down, Hatcher doesn't have a history of good health and Brent may be in jail/suspended and may not play with us again. Lissemore is more of a rotational guy and Crawford may be needed for DE.

As the draft looks right now all the true premier DL will be gone if Sheldon and Star both get drafted before us. At that point I do think there are likely to be several candidates for us: Carradine, Werner, D. Jones, Sylvester Williams and Hankins. That's actually not a bad group of DL for that deep in the draft but it also highlights our ability to trade down here and get more picks if someone wants to move up to grab their guy. I wouldn't trade down if one of the top 3 DTs is there or if Jon Cooper is still on the board. Otherwise I'd be working the phones hard to find an extra 3rd rounder in a trade back scenario.

 

[Little Jr]

15.5 ,19, and 11 is his sack totals the past 3 years. So I don't see where it effected him especially in 2010 and 11.

 

[Little Jr]

I don't really see where he finished 2011 of in a whimper. His last 4 weeks was as good as his 1st 4 weeks. The difference between the 1st half of the season and 2nd half really was a 4 sack game vs philly in week 8 I believe. His neck is a concern but I guess I don't see the decline you do. The #s really don't show it either

 

[Nightman]

I love Ware but I don't see him playing at a high level much longer. He was totally broke down by the end of last year. He also finished 2011 with a whimper. He has had major issues with his neck since that injury in Tampa at the start of the 2009 season which was further aggravated in the SD game later that year when he was carried off the field. Well that injury has become a bigger and bigger issue in each of the last 3 seasons. This past season it acted up in TC and then hung around all season long and limited his effectiveness. By the end of the year he also had a shoulder and elbow injury. I don't believe he can play more than 3 more years unless they can fix this problem and my own gut says they can't do anything about it because it is likely degenerative so there is no medical fix.

As far as Spencer goes, he might play 5 more years but he has a very borderline burst and doesn't have much in the way of pass rush moves. I honestly don't expect him to sniff 10 sacks again even though he'll be getting more pass rush opportunities in the new defense.

DE is definitely a big need with both of these guys getting old, Ware chronically injured and no real backup behind them on the roster with Butler gone. Crawford can play out there if need be and that may be where they put him this year although he may be better suited to put on 10-15 pounds and play the 3 technique DT.

We may be able to find someone in the draft. We can use a DT too since Rat is broke down, Hatcher doesn't have a history of good health and Brent may be in jail/suspended and may not play with us again. Lissemore is more of a rotational guy and Crawford may be needed for DE.

As the draft looks right now all the true premier DL will be gone if Sheldon and Star both get drafted before us. At that point I do think there are likely to be several candidates for us: Carradine, Werner, D. Jones, Sylvester Williams and Hankins. That's actually not a bad group of DL for that deep in the draft but it also highlights our ability to trade down here and get more picks if someone wants to move up to grab their guy. I wouldn't trade down if one of the top 3 DTs is there or if Jon Cooper is still on the board. Otherwise I'd be working the phones hard to find an extra 3rd rounder in a trade back scenario.

When I say they have 5 good years left, I mean I would be happy to pay for 3 of them. Their contracts can easily be set up that way. I don't fear injuries with them any more than anyone else. They are a great combo and worth keeping together. If a stud DE falls to us in the draft and we still get OL and FS help early, I wouldn't be against letting Spencer walk after the year and hopefully get a comp pick for him.