Draft Grade thus far?

[hornitosmonster]

- They've stood pat on (you can't expect Carter to do anything this year, realistically) one of the worst defenses in the NFL thus far. There are question marks the size of Montana in the secondary and nothing has been done to address the anemic defensive line. Weak Secondary draft. What do you Jerry to do? Pull a rabbit out of his hat? The only top tier DB is PP7.

- The interior of the offensive line is only getting creakier and there are no replacements in sight. Yes ,we need a guard. We can be like the 4-12 Jets from 6 years ago and admit we are rebuilding and start two rookie lineman. Do you want another year of 4 or 5 wins

Some of the biggest issues with this team have gone unaddressed to pick a player who won't add much. I've seen this song and dance before. I don't have much confidence in Jason Garrett utilizing the guy properly. If we do not address it in FA then you can cry.

 

[gimmesix]

I don't think it will be that hard.

Seems we have Huff and just add a G/Cb.

Who plays DE?

 

[NeonNinja]

Who plays DE?

Can't resign Spears/Bowen?

Can add DE to the fa list if need be too.

 

[jterrell]

- They've stood pat on (you can't expect Carter to do anything this year, realistically) one of the worst defenses in the NFL thus far. There are question marks the size of Montana in the secondary and nothing has been done to address the anemic defensive line. Weak Secondary draft. What do you Jerry to do? Pull a rabbit out of his hat? The only top tier DB is PP7.

- The interior of the offensive line is only getting creakier and there are no replacements in sight. Yes ,we need a guard. We can be like the 4-12 Jets from 6 years ago and admit we are rebuilding and start two rookie lineman. Do you want another year of 4 or 5 wins

Some of the biggest issues with this team have gone unaddressed to pick a player who won't add much. I've seen this song and dance before. I don't have much confidence in Jason Garrett utilizing the guy properly. If we do not address it in FA then you can cry.

You make some good points but then go overboard
The Packers won a Super Bowl with a rookie RT.
Th Vikings knocked us out of the playoffs in 2009 with a rookie RT.
The Steelers had the rookie Pouncey go Pro Bowl and I believe All Pro.

The Jets 6 years ago sucked at the skill positions as well as rebuilding the OL.

 

[RS12]

I dont know about gadget back but I do think he is a fragile back. Injured in college usually means more injured in pro.

 

[jblaze2004]

I dont know about gadget back but I do think he is a fragile back. Injured in college usually means more injured in pro.

AP, chris johnson??????????

felix was never injured in college, he always seems to be injured

 

[Joe_Fan]

C- and that's probably way too high.

I liked the Smith pick and that's about it.

Carter may end up being ok but didn't we just waste a 2nd round pick not too long ago on a player who can't stay on the field?

If you're going to take those kind of risks then take them later on, not early when you have far too many other needs.

 

[wileedog]

C.

Smith pick is good, but he still has question marks about going over to LT, and picking a RT at 9 is not great.

I'm a tad worried about the Carter pick in that if he is ultimately meant to replace Bradie, there is good and bad there. He will undoubtedly be miles above Bradie in coverage, but James is a thumper inside against the run, which Carter doesn't strike me as. If he can run an inside blitz better than Bradie though, its an upgrade.

Murray pick was a waste. Might be a decent player for us, but simply not a great value at the spot or a position of dire need. We could have done better there.

 

[honyock]

It's hard to grade a draft until its over,, if they snag a decent OL/DL prospect we will all feel better about picking a running back,, though I would argue a fast 3rd down RB who excels at pass receiving and special teams does fill a need. Remember how Parcells ranked player's worth by how many plays per game they could give you? Murray will contribute and he's a big play back.

B

That's a really good point, and probably a pretty good yardstick of how Murray and Carter should be evaluated in year one.

If Carter gets on the field (and contributes, obviously) for 30-35 plays in year one, and then becomes a starter in year two, then I'll rate that as a successful round 2 pick for an ILB. That sounds like it could realistically happen.

For Murray I'd say the same. If he can get 30-35 snaps and contribute in year one, that's a pretty good first year for a third round pick.

 

[speedkilz88]

That sounds about right.



I agree.....but at some point, your draft board is going to have players that are closely grouped in terms of prospective ability, and if you have a player at a position of great need ranked only a spot or two behind a player at a position of moderate need (and a position that has historically been proven to be easily filled by late round draft picks and FA's).....you may want to reassess your needs. Unless, of course, the immediate future is of little concern.

I guess the Cowboys didn't have any OL ranked anywhere near the 70th pick....

All of this could become clearer with an aggressive plan in FA though....but unless the Cowboys intend on targeting some veteran talent on the OL and in the secondary.....our 3rd round pick is certainly going to be heavily scrutinized for some time to come.

From what I've heard they probably had a guy at 70 let's say Will Rackley but they had Murray rated at 50 so it makes sense that they would go BPA there. Now if Murray was only 68 then your point about taking the need position might be taken in account.

 

[baj1dallas]

B/c/b = B-

 

[Picksix]

This is like grading students before the semester has even started. I give it an incomplete. Ask me again in a couple of years. You know, after they've actually had a chance to do something. Maybe they pan out, and the team does great. Maybe they don't. It just seems foolish to act like we know if guys are gonna be good or not, or if we filled the right needs with the right players, until they've actually played.

 

[jterrell]

This is like grading students before the semester has even started. I give it an incomplete. Ask me again in a couple of years. You know, after they've actually had a chance to do something. Maybe they pan out, and the team does great. Maybe they don't. It just seems foolish to act like we know if guys are gonna be good or not, or if we filled the right needs with the right players, until they've actually played.

In a couple years no one will care what you "think" because we'll have the facts.

Grading a draft 3 years from now makes sense for NFL teams trying to understand what players succeed or fail and why but that's about it. No one needs to be told Jay Ratliff was a rock star of a draft pick today. But a few guys thought he was an insane steal as a 3-4 DE when we was actually selected and those thoughts are what we are dealing with in this thread.

No problem with your opinion but if you don't value the grades no need to read much less respond to the thread.

 

[Hoofbite]

C.

1st round was excellent. Addressed a need with the best possible player who has the highest ceiling of the OL group.

2nd round was average, at best. Given the other needs of the team, going for a LB just doesn't make sense. Yeah, we could argue he'll take over some day for some one.........but Dallas had a real chance to fix the OL and passed. Guess we'll see the only Dallas OL to get benched in the past few years back on the field.

Thank about that for a second. Leonard Davis was taken off the field during a game because he sucked so much. He even said he wasn't surprised at the move. Not even Colombo was taken off the field but Davis was..........and unless there's a miracle Davis is still in line to be out there.

Where Carter should have gone is all over the board. Mayock says Top 15 without being hurt but I'm pretty sure I heard Goose call this guy a 2nd rounder if healthy. Not to mention no one knows if he will take a snap. Mayock said that himself.

3rd round was a waste. RB was not needed. Now, some might argue "if Barber and Choice are cut".........but guess what.....if you cut Newman, Jenkins and Scandrick, Dallas has a need at CB as well (As if there wasn't a need already).

Supposedly he'll return kicks which means Dallas takes a hit on special teams because he won't be as good as Dez. Goose said this pick only makes sense if he is looked at as the lead back.

Overall, rather disappointing draft day today. We've heard that Huff is on the waiting list but who knows.

Really would have liked to see other areas addressed today but whatever.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I give the Cowboys a B-.

9). Tyron Smith. This was the pick they had to make because Smith 'can' start at LT or RT day 1. This protects against a loss to Free which is unlikely but possible given free agency is so up in the air. Smith was most athletic player left on the board and potential the best overall athlete at 307 pounds of lean muscle. People believe he will be the best of the bunch in 3 years and at 23 he will just be reaching average draft age by then.

40). Bruce Carter. This was clearly a best available athlete pick. Carter is 242 pounds and runs faster than many CBs. I do not like taking day 1 backups or guys who need a red shirt year top 50 but alas we took the hit for the longer term pay off. Now I have to hope it pays off and by the time Carter is ready to go he has a defined role. I have seen reviews rave about him then suggest he is a nickel backer and special teams player.... I don't follow. A lot of players I liked better selected in the next 10 picks that had a chance to start day 1 imho. But I freely admit none were as athletic as Carter. If this was the Bears 4-4 Defense than Carter becomes a potential star player.

71). DeMarco Murray. Murray had injury issues but nothing long term. He was a work horse who really is a perfect 3rd down back and special teams guy. He has excellent hands. His selection tells me Dallas loses both Choice and Barber. Choice hurt himself with lack of desire and willingness on special teams. Barber simply ate too many hits and makes too much money. Expect Dallas to find a short yardage guy. I think Murray scores more TDs next year than Choice did in his career here... which is big talk at 8+. But Murray is a Felix type guy who has excellent hands and better vision with probably a bit less elusiveness (coming out of college).

I give them a B so far.

 

[Doomsday]

C- I really like the Smith pick but today's picks leave me scratching my head wondering if anything will ever change on this team.

 

[Idgit]

C. Made the right choice yesterday. Reached a bit on both picks today and didn't get players at positions of real need. I like both players, though.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

You make some good points but then go overboard
The Packers won a Super Bowl with a rookie RT.
Th Vikings knocked us out of the playoffs in 2009 with a rookie RT.
The Steelers had the rookie Pouncey go Pro Bowl and I believe All Pro.

The Jets 6 years ago sucked at the skill positions as well as rebuilding the OL.

Reread his post. He specifically said two rookie offensive lineman, not just the one. According to patton, we're coming apart at the seams as well, so his analogy might very well be apt.

I give the draft a B+ so far. I see Murray as a poor man's Westbrook, adding another dimension to our backfield passing game while solidifying ourselves with a running back who can pass block.

Our second rounder will most certainly be starting in the nickel packages, and I consider that a starting position considering the nature of the passing offense oriented NFL.

Smith, solid A grade there.

 

[gmoney112]

B.

I really like the Tyron and Carter picks. I believe they're both good players who have excellent potential. With our coaching staff I think we can get the most out of these players and they both put youth at valuable football positions.

I just hate the Murray pick. I guess we have a guard in mind later in the draft, or might even be looking possible FA. I feel like it was a 'cute' pick rather than a football pick. I'm a huge Longhorn fan and saw DeMarco play quite a bit. Is he good? Yes. Would he have more value to the Dallas Cowboys than one of the guards? That's debatable.

Although, if the Boys do go out and get a guard in free agency, which I really believe they may want to do because of Leonard's contract, then I will eat major crow. If we sign Carl Nicks for example, this draft could go from a B to an A+.

 

[Arch Stanton]

I'd give it a solid B overall.

There were no reaches in this Draft. T Smith was regarded as a Top 10 talent by many. B Carter was regarded as a 2nd round pick given his recent injury. And Murray was regarded as a 3rd rounder by many as well.

I think the first two picks can be home runs potentially. We will have to wait and see.

It was obvious that we were going to take a RB somewhere in the Draft since MBIII was going to be gone. No surprise there. The only question was which round.

Remember, cutting MBIII also allows us to save money and sign guys like Huff (hopefully) in FA. But you need to have a guy in place before you cut him . . . . Obviously, the Cowboys liked Murray. The Cowboys spent a lot of time with him before the Draft.

We still have 5 picks to go. I'm sure we'll get a few more quality players.

With you all the way Woods. You are making too much sense.