Draft LB, FS etc....who are you kidding?

[VoR]

Please Zoners.....those of you you posted earlier this week that we should draft anything but OFFENSIVE LINEMAN!

TELL crazycowboy YOU ARE KIDDING!

I ask you to please tune into EPSN and watch our OFFENSIVE LINE play like HE77.......it is awful watching JJ trying to run and Bledsoe getting hit!

You Zoners who want defense or anything other then offensive line help in the draft......had better wake up and get with the program!


! :bang2:

#1 draft pick : O-Line
#2 draft pick : O-Line
#3 draft pick : O-Line
first FA signing : O-Line
second FA signing : O-Line

 

[Hostile]

Hostile, I respect your opinion but believe it to be wrong this time!

Tell me the last time a team won a SB with a line anywhere near as lame as ours? You cannot--period! Baltimore/Chicago Super Bowl winners are the most dominate DEFENSIVE teams of the NFL FA era who won the SB with less then spectacular offenses.......but both had superior offensive lineman compared to our group!

What are we going to do if Larry Allen retires? Or how much longer can we count on him? Are you that happy with Rivera? Or better yet those two young tackles? Flo should come back strong.....but we need big help and it must come from the draft!

Ok.....you got me on the 3rd person reference being lame......I can see that!

But I also see us drafting OFFENSIVE LINEMAN in the draft because I promise you that Jeff Ireland, Bill Parcells, Stephen Jones and most importantly Mr Jerry Jones agrees that our offensive line is well......OFFENSIVE!

By all means show me where I said don't address the O-line. There is such a thing as addressing needs in Free Agency and we have cap room.

In the Draft I would finish building the Defense. Period.

Once that is done I'd take the next 2 or 3 years and use the draft to build the offense to replace the veterans.

It's called balanced building and it works.

 

[Hostile]

I agree

I dont know how one can explain to the "folks" (as bill o'reilly says it) when you choose a LB or FS over a Offensive Tackle.

I am not confident in FA either as we have seen what Marco Rivera has brought to the Table.

- Mike G.

You're more comfortable with the Marcellus Wiley's FA brings to the table?

 

[VoR]

Hell no I'm not kidding.

You can win Super Bowls by having a dominant offense or a dominant defense. We are closer to having a dominant defense than we are to having a dominant offense. A lot closer.

BTW, 3rd person references to self are lame.

Dominant D means nothing without an O-Line. You can win with a mediocre offense (see Bears 85, Giants 86, Ravens, etc) but not with a horrible line.
Parcells had great blocking lines when he won.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

You're more comfortable with the Marcellus Wiley's FA brings to the table?

Nah, more like Aaron Glenn and Anthony Henry.

 

[Hostile]

Nah, more like Aaron Glenn and Anthony Henry.

Or like Drew Bledsoe and Terry Glenn.

The door swings both ways.

 

[Hostile]

Dominant D means nothing without an O-Line. You can win with a mediocre offense (see Bears 85, Giants 86, Ravens, etc) but not with a horrible line.
Parcells had great blocking lines when he won.

yet another person who needs to show me where I said ignore the O-line.

Ever heard of Free Aency? Great concept.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

By all means show me where I said don't address the O-line. There is such a thing as addressing needs in Free Agency and we have cap room.

In the Draft I would finish building the Defense. Period.

Once that is done I'd take the next 2 or 3 years and use the draft to build the offense to replace the veterans.

It's called balanced building and it works.

Hostile--don't know that you ever said that and never insinuated you did......my only point is this: OFFENSIVE LINE is our biggest need PERIOD!

Now, with that said, I realize Jeff Ireland and crew will and need to draft the most talented play available with our position in the draft.....that drafting for need bs vs talent is crazy IMO!

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Or like Drew Bledsoe and Terry Glenn.

The door swings both ways.

True.

I just deal in the here and now. I have no idea who will be back on defense when the season ends.

I can just deal in reality and reality tells me 2 positions offense held this team hostage, Kicker and Offensive Tackle.

I love our defense and wouldnt mind seeing us pick up a LB in the 2nd, 3rd Round and/or FA.

At pick 20 in the 2006 Draft, im going with an Offensive Tackle.

BTW, Glenn and Bledsoe were great pickups.

- Mike G.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

#1 draft pick : O-Line
#2 draft pick : O-Line
#3 draft pick : O-Line
first FA signing : O-Line
second FA signing : O-Line

Great post.....funny but true....provided it is the most talented player in the draft at the percise time we are picking!

It is so great we have an awsome draft dept now!!

 

[Hostile]

Hostile--don't know that you ever said that and never insinuated you did......my only point is this: OFFENSIVE LINE is our biggest need PERIOD!

Now, with that said, I realize Jeff Ireland and crew will and need to draft the most talented play available with our position in the draft.....that drafting for need bs vs talent is crazy IMO!

I'm sorry, I disagree with that 100%.

Our biggest need is to take the next step forward to become a Super Bowl winner. We're closer on D than we are O, and our D lost it's Captain this year (Dat) and the previous Captain last year (Woodson).

Tell me the hits the offense has sustained that equal those two.

I'm not saying the OL isn't a concern. I'm not that dumb. I am saying taking the next step means one side of the ball becomes dominant and the other side of the ball fixes its needs. The side of the ball closest to dominant is which side?

From where I sit, it's the D. Finish the job first.

 

[Hostile]

True.

I just deal in the here and now. I have no idea who will be back on defense when the season ends.

I can just deal in reality and reality tells me 2 positions offense held this team hostage, Kicker and Offensive Tackle.

I love our defense and wouldnt mind seeing us pick up a LB in the 2nd, 3rd Round and/or FA.

At pick 20 in the 2006 Draft, im going with an Offensive Tackle.

BTW, Glenn and Bledsoe were great pickups.

- Mike G.

I can tell you 2 other things that held this team back this year.

Pressure on the QB and pass coverage.

FS and LB can help those things. Or do you disagree?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I can tell you 2 other thigns that held this team back this year.

Pressure on the QB and pass coverage.

FS and LB can help those things. Or do you disagree?

I agree, coverage can help, but the Front 7 are even better at that.

I like what I see in Ware, Canty, Ellis, Glover and Fujita.

I am fine with what is going on at FS too, much to the surprise of most.

Okay, say some of these guys are gone (Glover and Ellis) when the draft comes calling, I would agree with you, but if the D is the same, I have to go offense.

The phrase "Sometimes the best defense is a great offense" has to be applied here.

Man, look at all the high picks we have on defense Ware, Spears, Ellis, Roy and Newman.

It is time to start spreading some draft love to the other side of the ball.

Lets get that young buck at Offensive Tackle to protect Drew Bledsoe and if you get a 1st round calibre Offensive Tackle, man that could possibly elevate the play of the rest of the offensive line and really provide more opportunities for bigger plays.

Man, I think an Offensive Tackle is so important that it could really have a domino effect on just about every thing.

Longer drives, bigger plays, defense not on the field as much, no double teaming defensive ends...man everything could change with one of these guys in the draft, assuming they are as good as advertised.

I would much rather show off my brand spanking new Offensive Tackle in the 1st round to Strahan, Kearse, U and Kerney (heard he is on the Sched. too) then I would want to show off a linebacker.

Yes, I understand the 1st Rounder could struggle, but if he pans out, we could have one of the best OT combos in the league.

 

[Hostile]

I agree, coverage can help, but the Front 7 are even better at that.

I like what I see in Ware, Canty, Ellis, Glover and Fujita.

I am fine with what is going on at FS too, much to the surprise of most.

Okay, say some of these guys are gone (Glover and Ellis) when the draft comes calling, I would agree with you, but if the D is the same, I have to go offense.

The phrase "Sometimes the best defense is a great offense" has to be applied here.

Man, look at all the high picks we have on defense Ware, Spears, Ellis, Roy and Newman.

It is time to start spreading some draft love to the other side of the ball.

Lets get that young buck at Offensive Tackle to protect Drew Bledsoe and if you get a 1st round calibre Offensive Tackle, man that could possibly elevate the play of the rest of the offensive line and really provide more opportunities for bigger plays.

Man, I think an Offensive Tackle is so important that it could really have a domino effect on just about every thing.

Longer drives, bigger plays, defense not on the field as much, no double teaming defensive ends...man everything could change with one of these guys in the draft, assuming they are as good as advertised.

I would much rather show off my brand spanking new Offensive Tackle in the 1st round to Strahan, Kearse, U and Kerney (heard he is on the Sched. too) then I would want to show off a linebacker.

Yes, I understand the 1st Rounder could struggle, but if he pans out, we could have one of the best OT combos in the league.

We lost 1 OL to a season ending injury (I'm not counting Rivera, he wouldn't have been IRed) and 4 LBs.

We lost our defensive play caller.

I see things differently. Doesn't mean I'm right or that you are right.

If We take Eric Winston I won't whine. Did I whine when Detroit took my guy Mike Williams? Nope.

I just think you guys are wrong about how to take the next step. We have an offense of savvy vets. Fix the rest of it with savvy vets. That means Free Agency.

We have a defense of young playmakers. Keep going after the young playmakers.

It's about blending and chemistry and most of all it's about taking the next step up. That step up is on D, not O.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

We lost 1 OL to a season ending injury (I'm not counting Rivera, he wouldn't have been IRed) and 4 LBs.

We lost our defensive play caller.

I see things differently. Doesn't mean I'm right or that you are right.

If We take Eric Winston I won't whine. Did I whine when Detroit took my guy Mike Williams? Nope.

I just think you guys are wrong about how to take the next step. We have an offense of savvy vets. Fix the rest of it with savvy vets. That means Free Agency.

We have a defense of young playmakers. Keep going after the young playmakers.

It's about blending and chemistry and most of all it's about taking the next step up. That step up is on D, not O.

Well, the good thing about it is that time will tell.

If we took a defensive player in the 1st and 2nd round, I wouldnt complain either, as it would be an upgrade.

Im just ready to start stacking the line with some 1st round talent.

 

[Dwight]

If I were Parcells, I would strongly recruit and sign the Chiefs Oline coach, since Dick retire. That would solve one problem with the boys.

 

[Hostile]

Well, the good thing about it is that time will tell.

If we took a defensive player in the 1st and 2nd round, I wouldnt complain either, as it would be an upgrade.

Im just ready to start stacking the line with some 1st round talent.

Our best O-line ever didn't have 1 single O-line drafted in round 1.

O-line success isn't about Draft psoition (see Arizona) it's about scheme and chemistry.

I can't say that about any other unit.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I'm sorry, I disagree with that 100%.

Our biggest need is to take the next step forward to become a Super Bowl winner. We're closer on D than we are O, and our D lost it's Captain this year (Dat) and the previous Captain last year (Woodson).

Tell me the hits the offense has sustained that equal those two.

I'm not saying the OL isn't a concern. I'm not that dumb. I am saying taking the next step means one side of the ball becomes dominant and the other side of the ball fixes its needs. The side of the ball closest to dominant is which side?

From where I sit, it's the D. Finish the job first.

Hostile, that is why these discussion boards are so interesting.....if everyone agreed with CrazyCowboy (lame) it would be boring!

I happen to disagee with you 80% because I do see some validity in what you are saying! I just feel 80 percent stronger that the offensive line needs help to do what BP wants to do.....which you know is ball control with run/pass combination.......

I know this......WE BOTH WANT the Cowboys to win the Super Bowl! Bet we can agree with that!

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Our best O-line ever didn't have 1 single O-line drafted in round 1.

O-line success isn't about Draft psoition (see Arizona) it's about scheme and chemistry.

I can't say that about any other unit.

I understand that.

I can only look back at the 90s on DVD or video, I cannot go off of what they did. That is a snapshot in time, im sure there are teams out there that have been successful picking Offensive Lineman in the 1st round.

All I am saying is...

When I get my 1st pick in the draft...when I am on the clock...and get my crack at fixing the squad...

I look at my team and see what I need the most....I say Offensive Tackle, nothing is going to change my mind.

If Parcells wants to trade out of the 1st because he sees something he can work with, I guess that is fine.

After Offensive Lineman in the 1st Round, I want a Wideout in the 2nd Round.

I am not as concerned about the defense, this Rams game is really making me even stronger in my convictions.

- Mike G.

 

[Hostile]

Hostile, that is why these discussion boards are so interesting.....if everyone agreed with CrazyCowboy (lame) it would be boring!

I happen to disagee with you 80% because I do see some validity in what you are saying! I just feel 80 percent stronger that the offensive line needs help to do what BP wants to do.....which you know is ball control with run/pass combination.......

I know this......WE BOTH WANT the Cowboys to win the Super Bowl! Bet we can agree with that!

This team has a rich History of solid O-line play.

Tell me the 1st round O-linemen we've been blessed with.

For every one you tell me, I'll give you six who weren't first rounders and we were blessed.

I'll take it one further for you to think about this. Give me an example of a team that had OL problems that the Draft fixed it for them. One example would suffice.

Fact, good O-line play is not about Draft position. Please see Denver for reference. We need better OL coaching. More than any other position in football, the qulaity of coaching on the OL sticks out for everyone to see. That's why so many of us miss Hudson Houck around here.

Give me Houck and Flo with our current O-line and I'll be more confident than Sparano, Flo and a 1st round OL pick.