Draft Priorities

[Hostile]

Yet their best WR last year was not selected in the first 3 rounds.

 

[Shinywalrus]

Not saying you can't get a UDFA receiver, Miles Austin was UDFA. My point is you need to concentrate on these positions to properly fill a roster. Eli gets bailed out by his receivers all the time, rather it being the other way around.

Romo gets no help. We need to rely on Dez Bryant's development, which has been plagued, and Miles Austin staying healthy, which has also been plagued. Where is the depth outside of that? There is none, because we've paid the position no mind in the draft.

The evidence is too strong that quality wide receiver depth can be gotten throughout the draft (and after). The cost of spending a top 3 round draft pick on a receiver for depth should make it a rare occurrence.

In other words, I like the way we've handled this particular item better than the way the Giants have.

 

[YosemiteSam]

We absolutely wasted a 2nd round pick on drafting Martellus Bennett, right after we had spent one on Fasano... These 2nd round picks aren't gimmees...

Go check out my mock draft. I've got us taking a TE in the second round. :laugh2:

 

[YosemiteSam]

Yet their best WR last year was not selected in the first 3 rounds.

...and Miles Austin was a UDFA.

 

[Hostile]

...and Miles Austin was a UDFA.

Laurent Robinson was a guy off the streets as was TO.

I'm almost willing to bet if we go 2006 through 2011 we've had better WR success than they have. So maybe their priorities are the wrong ones.

 

[jterrell]

I was watching this video of Steve Dennis on The Score, and they brought up a very good point.

The Giants draft wide receivers in the first 3 rounds.

The Giants have spent the following picks since 2006

1st Round - Hakeem Nicks
2nd Round - Steve Smith, Sinorice Moss
3rd Round - Jerrell Jernigan, Ramses Barden, Mario Manningham

That is 6 picks in the first three rounds on wide receivers...

The Cowboys?

1st Round - Dez Bryant

That's it...

We absolutely wasted a 2nd round pick on drafting Martellus Bennett, right after we had spent one on Fasano... These 2nd round picks aren't gimmees... When you combine that with what we did with Roy Williams, it absolutely set us back a year or two. 2009 is a complete waste of a draft class, and 2008 is on the verge of being the same. We just haven't drafted well.

I think our draft last year was potentially really good, and I think even though we didn't have a 3rd in 2010, our 2010 draft will end up good just based on Dez Bryant and Sean Lee.

Fact is we absolutely need to start helping Romo more with the draft. The last two drafts I think we've done that. Tyron Smith and Dez Bryant. That needs to continue with DeCastro, but we probably need to take a wide receiver at 2 or 3.

I really like Marvin Jones, WR, Cal in the 3 Round.

I think we've spent way too many draft picks on linebacker and not necessarily seen that return yet.

5 linebackers selected in the first 3 rounds since 2006. 2 tight ends selected in the first 3 rounds since 2006, when we have a hall of fame tight end on the roster.

We've also been hindered by our absolute inability to draft good offensive linemen. Our one bright spot was Doug Free, but who knows with him right now, hopefully he rebounds at right tackle.

The Giants will break camp with what, 1, of those WRs on the roster this year?

Not sure that's the argument I'd make.

 

[DFWJC]

Victor Cruz was a UFDA just saying.

My thoughts too.

The OP shows that the Giants missed on a few as well.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

If that guy from Baylor, Kendall Wright is available round 2 we need to get him to be our #3

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Corrections: The Ginats spend their high drafdt picks on receivers AND pass-rushers.

It's a passing league and the Giants have learned how to win in it, by building through the draft (i.e. prioritizing home-grown youth), feeding their offense receivers (i.e. contributing to their own team's positive passing production), and feeding their defense a rush (i.e. contributing to their oppnents' negative passing production).

 

[cowboysooner]

The Giants don't spend many picks or free agent dollars on linebackers, running backs, offensive linemen or tight ends. They went all out on Eli, draft receivers okay, draft pass rushers and defensive tackles great. They spent big on safety with Rolle and Grant plus a 1st rounder. They spend 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks on corners and have a bunch. Amukamara will be their nickle and Ross another high draft pick left.

People are going to draft more wide receivers when Laurent Robinson and Pierre Garcon start signing for $15 & 20 million guaranteed with 6 and 8 million in salary.

 

[Flinger]

... really not sure if Jones, Jones and Garrett can make it any clearer - they intend to take the best player available.

Now... if we only had a glimpse of their board...

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I would be willing to bet that the G-Men won't look at WR in the high rounds for a while with Nicks and Cruz on the team. That's why they drafted WR's high...looking for compliments at WR. They couldn't quite hit on them until Nicks came along. Then Plax shot himself because he's a moron and they had to re-look for another WR.

Little different with Dez and Miles.






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[CF74]

Draft Priorities

NT
G
C
DL/OLB (Either or)
CB
Return Specialist
ILB
TE

 

[jterrell]

Corrections: The Ginats spend their high drafdt picks on receivers AND pass-rushers.

It's a passing league and the Giants have learned how to win in it, by building through the draft (i.e. prioritizing home-grown youth), feeding their offense receivers (i.e. contributing to their own team's positive passing production), and feeding their defense a rush (i.e. contributing to their oppnents' negative passing production).

And DBs, lol.

The round 1-3 picks for Giants since 2006:

2011:
1. Prince -CB
2. Austin -DT
3. Jernigan -WR

2010:
1. JPP -DE
2. Linval Joseph-DT
3. Chad Jones DB

2009:
1. Nicks -WR
2. Sintim OLB
3a. Beatty OL
3b. Barden WR
3c. Beckum TE

2008:
1. Ken Phillips DB
2. Terrell Thomes CB
3. Mannignham WR

2007:
1. Ross -CB
2. Smith -WR
3. Alford -DT

2006:
1. Kiwanuka -DE/LB
2. S. Moss -WR
3. Wilkinson -LB

 

[Flinger]

Draft Priorities

NT
G
C
DL/OLB (Either or)
CB
Return Specialist
ILB
TE

Suppose BPA is a TE according to the Cowboys board in round 2?

I'm not real big on speculation and hypothetical situations, but if they mean to follow their board and select the BPA as a strategy - what will people say?

Some will be outraged, some will blame Jerry as out of touch, some will take a wait and see attitude... It will be interesting.

 

[DFWJC]

Suppose BPA is a TE according to the Cowboys board in round 2?

I'm not real big on speculation and hypothetical situations, but if they mean to follow their board and select the BPA as a strategy - what will people say?

Some will be outraged, some will blame Jerry as out of touch, some will take a wait and see attitude... It will be interesting.

Two points:
1) If you are looking to match need with value, then be prepared to trade up or down, as the odds of those falling exactly as planned are way less than 50%. If the best value in the 1st round is a QB, for example, then you may want to listen to trade offers b/c that does not at all fit a need.

2) Many would say TE is a much higher priority than in that previous email, so the point would be moot: I would probably prefer we didn't take a TE until at leat the 3rd, but it depends on value and other factors.
If Coby Fleener was there in the second, I know a bunch of guys on this board who leap at that.

 

[cowboysooner]

It would be really hard for Fleener to make it past both the Rams and Colts at the top of the 2nd. Both those teams are desperate for targets for their young qb's.

 

[DFWJC]

It would be really hard for Fleener to make it past both the Rams and Colts at the top of the 2nd. Both those teams are desperate for targets for their young qb's.

And after he was just amazing at his pro day, the odds are even slimer.
Like I said, I would prefer we addressed other needs in Rd1 and 2 anyway, so that would make it easier if he were gone.

 

[cowboysooner]

Draft Priorities

NT
G
C
DL/OLB (Either or)
CB
Return Specialist
ILB
TE

I don't agree with this list exactly but it interesting that your top 3 needs are positions that can usually be filled with competent players from the 3rd round and below.

 

[28 Joker]

The Giants hit on Steve Smith and Mario Manningham in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Both players have Super Bowl rings. They hit on Nicks in round 1. They have a WR in the pipeline (a third round pick).

Steve Smith had a 107-1,220-7 season in 2009 and made the Pro Bowl. However, he messed up his knee. Smith had a huge catch in the 2007 divisional playoff game. Smith left and opened up the door for Victor Cruz.

Mario Manningham had a 944 yard season and a 822 yard season. Manningham put up 160-2,315 and scored 18 touchdowns and averaged 14.5 YPC for the Giants. His long reception was a 92T. He was probably their best route runner, too. Not bad for a third round pick. Dallas passed on Manningham in the 2008 draft. I wanted the Cowboys to draft Manningham when he was sitting there for the taking, but they traded down. I liked him before that draft coming out of Michigan.

The Giants, Packers, Saints, and Eagles have all done a much better job of acquiring WR talent.

The Cowboys are still paying for not drafting Robert Meachem, and they have paid a heavy price on the field and in the salary cap and in the 2009 draft. If the Cowboys draft Meachem in 2007, I think they go to the Super Bowl in 2007 and make the playoffs in 2008. Drafting Meachem could have changed the course of the franchise.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cowboys draft a young WR in this draft, because it's a good WR draft. The Cowboys need another quality WR, and some serious competition sure couldn't hurt that group. I think Dez Bryant presents great value, and I think he is the Cowboys most talented, best WR. I don't think Bryant or Austin are above competition for completely different reasons.

By the way, the Cowboys missed an opportunity to get a straight up ringer (Denarius Moore) in the 2011 draft. That was an opportunity to get a 5th round steal at WR. [33-618 (47.5 YPG) LG 78 5 TD] This guy stretches the field and has serious speed, and he was had for a 5th rounder. Moore put up 146, 123, 94, and 101 yard games as a 5th round rookie. I knew about Moore, because I watched him play.

Instead, the Cowboys drafted some CB from Buffalo in round 5, and he was cut. Harris was drafted in round 6 at WR, but he was cut and re-signed to the practice squad.

I don't know what round the Cowboys would look for a WR, but I bet they look. jmo