Draft Priorities

[Galian Beast]

I was watching this video of Steve Dennis on The Score, and they brought up a very good point.

The Giants draft wide receivers in the first 3 rounds.

The Giants have spent the following picks since 2006

1st Round - Hakeem Nicks
2nd Round - Steve Smith, Sinorice Moss
3rd Round - Jerrell Jernigan, Ramses Barden, Mario Manningham

That is 6 picks in the first three rounds on wide receivers...

The Cowboys?

1st Round - Dez Bryant

That's it...

We absolutely wasted a 2nd round pick on drafting Martellus Bennett, right after we had spent one on Fasano... These 2nd round picks aren't gimmees... When you combine that with what we did with Roy Williams, it absolutely set us back a year or two. 2009 is a complete waste of a draft class, and 2008 is on the verge of being the same. We just haven't drafted well.

I think our draft last year was potentially really good, and I think even though we didn't have a 3rd in 2010, our 2010 draft will end up good just based on Dez Bryant and Sean Lee.

Fact is we absolutely need to start helping Romo more with the draft. The last two drafts I think we've done that. Tyron Smith and Dez Bryant. That needs to continue with DeCastro, but we probably need to take a wide receiver at 2 or 3.

I really like Marvin Jones, WR, Cal in the 3 Round.

I think we've spent way too many draft picks on linebacker and not necessarily seen that return yet.

5 linebackers selected in the first 3 rounds since 2006. 2 tight ends selected in the first 3 rounds since 2006, when we have a hall of fame tight end on the roster.

We've also been hindered by our absolute inability to draft good offensive linemen. Our one bright spot was Doug Free, but who knows with him right now, hopefully he rebounds at right tackle.

 

[Jenky]

I was watching this video of Steve Dennis on The Score, and they brought up a very good point.

The Giants draft wide receivers in the first 3 rounds.

The Giants have spent the following picks since 2006

1st Round - Hakeem Nicks
2nd Round - Steve Smith, Sinorice Moss
3rd Round - Jerrell Jernigan, Ramses Barden, Mario Manningham

That is 6 picks in the first three rounds on wide receivers...

The Cowboys?

1st Round - Dez Bryant

That's it...

We absolutely wasted a 2nd round pick on drafting Martellus Bennett, right after we had spent one on Fasano... These 2nd round picks aren't gimmees... When you combine that with what we did with Roy Williams, it absolutely set us back a year or two. 2009 is a complete waste of a draft class, and 2008 is on the verge of being the same. We just haven't drafted well.

I think our draft last year was potentially really good, and I think even though we didn't have a 3rd in 2010, our 2010 draft will end up good just based on Dez Bryant and Sean Lee.

Fact is we absolutely need to start helping Romo more with the draft. The last two drafts I think we've done that. Tyron Smith and Dez Bryant. That needs to continue with DeCastro, but we probably need to take a wide receiver at 2 or 3.

I really like Marvin Jones, WR, Cal in the 3 Round.

I think we've spent way too many draft picks on linebacker and not necessarily seen that return yet.

5 linebackers selected in the first 3 rounds since 2006. 2 tight ends selected in the first 3 rounds since 2006, when we have a hall of fame tight end on the roster.

We've also been hindered by our absolute inability to draft good offensive linemen. Our one bright spot was Doug Free, but who knows with him right now, hopefully he rebounds at right tackle.

The only way this would have worked is if they turned out to be the like Gronkowski & Hernandez tandem, but with Witten instead. It never really panned out that way. I agree, it was a waste. We also didn't get any significant value for them.

We failed at employing the two TE system as a whole (run/pass). No one is going to start over Witten. Why waste two 2nd round picks on backup TEs?

 

[CCBoy]

Just as a general gauge of a draft...two starters and two contributors are considered a good draft.

That is with all levels thrown at the 'dart board.'

Below that, is ineffectiveness or a continual churn of philosophy and techniques.

 

[johnnyd]

Victor Cruz was a UFDA just saying.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Green Bay is another team that finds their receivers in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Dallas had interest in both Greg Jennings and Steve Smith but they were selected by the Packers and Giants before the Cowboys picks.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Fact is we absolutely need to start helping Romo more with the draft.

You want to really help Romo fix the defense.

 

[Chuck 54]

If the TE from Stanford, Feeny, is available in round 2, you can start banging your head, because I feel certain we'd draft him....he could be Witten's clone and future replacement.

Excellent receiver, has speed, can get downfield....only adequate blocker. Witten isn't a great blocker either, but he gets the job done.

Feeny will probably be long gone by our second round pick, but if not, I have no doubt we'd jump all over him. Time to stop looking for a 2nd TE and focus on Witten's replacement.

 

[CCBoy]

You want to really help Romo fix the defense.

Field position and time of possessions does pay off...

 

[Fredd]

I assume you mean Coby Fleener and yes, he is one of the best TE's in the draft this year. But, we cannot, repeat, CANNOT draft a TE early in this draft when we have one great and another decent TE on the roster...besides, there are some other talented TE's that you can get later (likely)...Dwayne Allen should go in the first two rounds like Fleener, but you still have Charles Orson and Ladarious Green that should go later. No need to rush a TE unless Witten is retiring.

Draft should focus mostly on Defense (first) and OL (second) with a splattering of skill positions late(r)

 

[Galian Beast]

The only way this would have worked is if they turned out to be the like Gronkowski & Hernandez tandem, but with Witten instead. It never really panned out that way. I agree, it was a waste. We also didn't get any significant value for them.

We failed at employing the two TE system as a whole (run/pass). No one is going to start over Witten. Why waste two 2nd round picks on backup TEs?

It's also worth noting that both hernandez and gronkowski were taken in the SAME draft.

The Patriots had 12 draft picks, 5 within the first 3 rounds. Drafted Gronkowski in the 2nd, and Hernandez in the 4th.

 

[Fanatico]

Selecting WR in the draft is risky. Out of your list of WR's, who is the best WR on the Giants? Undrafted Victor Cruz.
Who is the Cowboys most productive WR? Undrafted Miles Austin.
Ask the Lions about drafting WR's. They were 1 for 4 this past decade with drafting top 10 WR's. Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, and Roy Williams are busts while Calvin Johnson is the real deal.
Dez is a good WR, but we still haven't seen the greatness that we expect. This is his 3rd year, so hopefully, we'll see it this year. So, I think drafting a WR is a crap shoot in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. I'd prefer to pick up a free agent for this year and continue to develop the young guys on our roster. You never know if one of them will be the next Miles Austin. Once we determine that none of them is the answer, then start thinking of drafting WR again, imo anyway.

 

[Galian Beast]

Victor Cruz was a UFDA just saying.

Not saying you can't get a UDFA receiver, Miles Austin was UDFA. My point is you need to concentrate on these positions to properly fill a roster. Eli gets bailed out by his receivers all the time, rather it being the other way around.

Romo gets no help. We need to rely on Dez Bryant's development, which has been plagued, and Miles Austin staying healthy, which has also been plagued. Where is the depth outside of that? There is none, because we've paid the position no mind in the draft.

 

[Galian Beast]

If the TE from Stanford, Feeny, is available in round 2, you can start banging your head, because I feel certain we'd draft him....he could be Witten's clone and future replacement.

Excellent receiver, has speed, can get downfield....only adequate blocker. Witten isn't a great blocker either, but he gets the job done.

Feeny will probably be long gone by our second round pick, but if not, I have no doubt we'd jump all over him. Time to stop looking for a 2nd TE and focus on Witten's replacement.

So many more important needs on this offense. People are TOO concerned with replacing players for the future while we still have holes that need filling... a starting guard is more important than a future TE, a starting center is more important than a future TE, a 3rd receiver is more important than a future TE.

 

[CCBoy]

So many more important needs on this offense. People are TOO concerned with replacing players for the future while we still have holes that need filling... a starting guard is more important than a future TE, a starting center is more important than a future TE, a 3rd receiver is more important than a future TE.

True. Whether the determining factor is youth or cost...the player evaluation remains the most important aspect for continuity and level of production on field.

With Jason Garrett at the lead, it appears to be pretty focused and on target as to general direction.

 

[LOBO7]

Our offense is already handing our defense leads in the 4 th quarter that they can't hold. I've been on the DeCastro train all along but if we drafted a pass rusher that could get to Eli, Vick or RG3 a second or two faster you have just improved the line and the whole secondary and our chances of holding those leads late in the game. The Packers are going to be tuff to get through if Rogers can sit back and carve up the secondary. Bringing in these FA ol makes me wonder if we are going defense in round 1.

 

[CATCH17]

Pretty much all those receivers you listed outside of Nicks suck.


If the Cowboys need to copy anything the Giants do it's how they put a high emphasis on passrushers and just throw whatever they can find out at DB.


We need Front 7 and OL and we should take those guys every year until we start dominating the LOS and then build around that.

 

[Galian Beast]

Our offense is already handing our defense leads in the 4 th quarter that they can't hold. I've been on the DeCastro train all along but if we drafted a pass rusher that could get to Eli, Vick or RG3 a second or two faster you have just improved the line and the whole secondary and our chances of holding those leads late in the game. The Packers are going to be tuff to get through if Rogers can sit back and carve up the secondary. Bringing in these FA ol makes me wonder if we are going defense in round 1.

I don't know about pressures or hits (so maybe if someone with PFF access has those numbers, they could share), but we were 7th in the league in sacks...

I don't really think the front office feels as though the problems on defense were related to the front seven, rather they were the back 4. Well that and maybe the inside linebacker position.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Nicks is a really good WR, and was a 1st round pick.

After that, not really a great bunch of WR's. Even Manningham, outside of his heroic catch in the SB, really hasn't been much. Smith was a good possession WR. I would take that in the 2nd round, but those guys are boom or bust and it's risky to draft in the 2nd round for that.

We need good tackling corners and team speed on defense. With us facing Vick (and McCoy) along with RG3 for 1/4 of the season for the foreseeable future, the speed on defense has to get much better. Also, not only do we need better tackling at corner to begin with, with the speed of Vick and RG3, you need your faster players, like the corners, to tackle well. Particularly with Vick who doesn't handle blitzes from corners that well.

We need to get entirely better at safety. I would love for us to get a real playmaker, even if it takes a year to get them into the fold.

D-Line needs to get better as well. If Lissemore and Hatcher are legit, that will help. But, since Ryan likes to rotate a lot of guys on the D-Line, we need much more depth there.

On offense, I pretty much like the parts outside of the interior of the O-Line. If we can hit on Benardeau or Livings and then out of Costa (guard), Kowalski, Nagy or Arkin, then we would be in good shape. Still, I would rather not risk it and go after DeCastro if he's there.

Lastly, we really need to start to work to trade down in the draft to consistently acquire more draft picks. If Garrett wants to go back the Jimmy Johnson days, that's a good place to start.






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[Bowdown27]

If we draft a wideout in the second this board will riot. We need oline dline and DBS. Draft that early

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Bottom line, you fix the OL and DL and everybody else gets better instantly.