Draft scattershot 4/1

cnuball21 said:
I did...and from 2:25 in when he actually gets a handful of pass rush snaps I counted 3/4 pressures and a forced holding penalty.

You can't teach burst and bend and he has it. The refinement and pass rush plan would come.

The production dipped because he changed positions.

There is a lot more context under the hood so it probably is more complicated than what you are making it.
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3/4 is grossly exaggerated and the hold was the result of interior pressure. If he had such incredible burst or athleticism, he would have run at the combine. Starting at 2:20:

1 - Left edge, no pressure - stonewalled
2 - Right edge, no pressure - runs past pocket
3 - Right edge, no pressure - wins quick, runs past pocket
4 - Right edge, no pressure - stonewalled
5 - Right edge, no pressure - stonewalled (holding on scramble)
6 - Right edge, no pressure - stonewalled, tried inside move lol
7 - Right edge, no pressure - barely even tried to rush
8 - Left edge, soft pressure - mostly ran past pocket but QB didn't feel it
9 - Right edge, no pressure - stonewalled
10 - Ridge edge, no pressure - dipped shoulder topside and easily pushed past pocket
11 - Right edge, no pressure - tried to win with hands, went nowhere
12 - Right edge, no pressure - tried to dip and got buried
13 - Right edge, soft pressure - might have won the rep but ball was out quick

He doesn't win enough with speed to be just a speed rusher, and he's too small to do anything else.

It's not complicated. He's a will because he is too small to be an edge and not nearly explosive enough to compensate. Nobody is, really, which is why players like him do not exist.
 
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LouBrown said:
3/4 is grossly exaggerated and the hold was the result of interior pressure. If he had such incredible burst or athleticism, he would have run at the combine. Starting at 2:20:

1 - Left edge, no pressure - stonewalled
2 - Right edge, no pressure - runs past pocket
3 - Right edge, no pressure - wins quick, runs past pocket
4 - Right edge, no pressure - stonewalled
5 - Right edge, no pressure - stonewalled (holding on scramble)
6 - Right edge, no pressure - stonewalled, tried inside move lol
7 - Right edge, no pressure - barely even tried to rush
8 - Left edge, soft pressure - mostly ran past pocket but QB didn't feel it
9 - Right edge, no pressure - stonewalled
10 - Ridge edge, no pressure - dipped shoulder topside and easily pushed past pocket
11 - Right edge, no pressure - tried to win with hands, went nowhere
12 - Right edge, no pressure - tried to dip and got buried
13 - Right edge, soft pressure - might have won the rep but ball was out quick

He doesn't win enough with speed to be just a speed rusher, and he's too small to do anything else.

It's not complicated. He's a will because he is too small to be an edge and not nearly explosive enough to compensate. Nobody is, really, which is why players like him do not exist.
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If you are that dug in on a player there is nothing I can say to change your mind. Moving along.
 
LouBrown said:
Good list, a couple things.

I don't think Perkins translates to the NFL at all. He's got the same athletic profile as Kyle Louis and we are talking about one as a LB/S hybrid and the other playing edge at times lol. Maybe he can be a good off-ball LB, maybe not. He's too variable in the top 100.

If the Cowboys are going to trade Pickens to draft a WR at #20, they sure as heck better have a trade lined up that includes another pick in the next 10-20 slots. You can't trade him at the draft for next year's draft capital.
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I dont think they will trade Pickens. I think a WR could be a sleeper at 20 to have a replacement lined up with them letting Pickens walk in 2027
 
darthseinfeld said:
- With a strong Pro Day from McCoy, he needs to be a consideration at 12. No excuse for him not to be. If you are passing him because you want a slot, then you shouldn't be making draft picks

-Rene Konga is the enigma of this draft. Incredible workout numbers, some good production metrics have been floated, but very little information is out there about this guy. Is he a 3rd round guy? Is he a 6th round guy? No way to know right now

- They have been looking at mostly box S. Downs, Ramsey, McNeil-Warren, Kilgore. If they are looking for one of these guys as a slot player, Emmanwori and not DeJean seem to be the mold

- If Harold Perkins lasts to 92, he could end up the best value in the whole. If he didn't hurt his knee in 2024, he probably slots just below Styles in this draft. He can rush from the edge, he can play off ball LB. He could be a major front 7 chess piece. High level of interest from the Cowboys

- If by the time the draft comes, and it looks almost certain that Pickens isn't getting a long term deal dont be surprised if Omar Cooper is the 20th pick

- Avieon Terrell is my #1 target at 20. Of the grouping of players that could be available there, I think he is the best. Can play boundary or slot. Reminds me of pre knee injuries Tre White

- If we move down from 20, I expect Chris Johnson to be a target. High level of interest there from the Cowboys

- Dani Dennis-Sutton is my favorite of the edge rusher group expected to go after Bain. 6'6, solid production in a Power 5, a 3 cone that almost sounds made up (6.9). Thats insane bend
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That Terrell 40 time was terrible did I read right it was a 4.68?
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
His salary dictates he’s not going back to the slot. I honestly think he’s better on the outside.
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The salary doesn't really matter. Slot CB is a starter anyway, and there's a reason the top WRs in the league all move into the slot anyway.
 
darthseinfeld said:
I dont think they will trade Pickens. I think a WR could be a sleeper at 20 to have a replacement lined up with them letting Pickens walk in 2027
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Nah, can't do that. The opportunity cost of taking a WR there and having him at #4 on the depth chart and then NOT getting anything in return for Pickens is too great.
 
cnuball21 said:
If you are that dug in on a player there is nothing I can say to change your mind. Moving along.
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There is alot of people that feel this way about Perkins. His size doesn't hold up in the NFL, especially trying to be an edge rusher. He was amazing his Freshman year in college and then has tailed off. Kinda of an enigma when it comes to the NFL. He's not great in coverage, not a box safety and not good against the run. He's a tweener with not very good football awareness.
 
LouBrown said:
The salary doesn't really matter. Slot CB is a starter anyway, and there's a reason the top WRs in the league all move into the slot anyway.
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No it most definitely matters. Slot cornerbacks aren’t highly paid. Whether with or wrong I’m not arguing. But you can find slot corners for a fraction of the price. Salary for sure matters especially when it comes to this team.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
No it most definitely matters. Slot cornerbacks aren’t highly paid. Whether with or wrong I’m not arguing. But you can find slot corners for a fraction of the price. Salary for sure matters especially when it comes to this team.
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Jalen Ramsey played a ton of reps in the slot. The contract doesn't matter.

He'll still be on the field every play.
 
LouBrown said:
Jalen Ramsey played a ton of reps in the slot. The contract doesn't matter.

He'll still be on the field every play.
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Ramsey is not a slot corner..just because he shares time in the slot doesn’t make him a exclusive slot corner.

Like I said I’m not arguing it’s a fact slot corners get paid less than guys on the outside. It’s just what it is. And that trend wouldn’t stop with the Cowboys who make moves based on financials.
 
DasTex said:
There is alot of people that feel this way about Perkins. His size doesn't hold up in the NFL, especially trying to be an edge rusher. He was amazing his Freshman year in college and then has tailed off. Kinda of an enigma when it comes to the NFL. He's not great in coverage, not a box safety and not good against the run. He's a tweener with not very good football awareness.
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What do you mean by tailed off? In pass rush productivity?

You understand he almost missed an entire season due to injury and switched positions right?
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
No it most definitely matters. Slot cornerbacks aren’t highly paid. Whether with or wrong I’m not arguing. But you can find slot corners for a fraction of the price. Salary for sure matters especially when it comes to this team.
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Alot of CB's play the boundry on run downs and move to the slot on passing downs. Just because you play the slot doesnt mean you come off the field in nickel. Money doesnt dictate that he shouldnt play the slot, the fact that he isnt good at it should
 
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TheMarathonContinues said:
Ramsey is not a slot corner..just because he shares time in the slot doesn’t make him a exclusive slot corner.

Like I said I’m not arguing it’s a fact slot corners get paid less than guys on the outside. It’s just what it is. And that trend wouldn’t stop with the Cowboys who make moves based on financials.
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Who said anything about Bland being an "exclusive" slot corner?

A slot corner exists in nickel and dime sets - probably 60% of snaps. The other 40% Bland can move outside.
 
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