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Cowboyny

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- Let's get this out of the way early. I am absolutely biased towards using premium picks (1st and 2nd rounders to me) on the OL or DL. Other than the QB, I don't think there is another position or group of players that affects a game more than the OL and DL. So I got into most drafts just hoping that a stud at OT or OG or OC or DT or DE or even OLB (edge) is sitting there for us to pick in the first two rounds.

- Conversely, I don't care how big a stud a RB is, I just don't see the value in taking one really high. I just don't. Yes, I get BPA and certainly there is a scenario where a TB is easily the best player available but that gap between him and what's available in the first, for example, has to be massive for me. I'd rather take a small reach on a DT in the first than take a TB. I absolutely do not, under any circumstances, go chasing a TB in the first round using a premium or mid round picks to trade up. That's just ****** roster building right there. The reality is this is a capped league. Resourcesd are not finite. Teams have continually shown that if you invest in the OL you can then patch up the RB position with minimal resources. You don't need to throw a first round pick (or trade up in the first) for a TB to build a good run game that can win in January/February. Plow your money and your top picks into the lines. That's how you build a championship roster. Not go chasing a shiny, flashy toy in a TB.

- TE is an interesting situation. To me, it's just above RB in terms of value. Ferguson is a nice prospect but he has a ceiling. I think we can get by with him but he's also not a guy that I look at and say, yeah, we good there. You can absolutely upgrade that position. But again, I can't really justify using a first round pick on one unless he's such a freak of nature and complete player. Unfortunately, that's not the case here. Mayer is the best all around guy but he has limitations. Washington looks like a freak but he has real downside. Kincaid is basically a big WR. The board would have to be pretty barren for me to consider a TE at 26 as a great pick. LaPorta at 58? OK, then I can get behind something like that.

- I've come around on Drew Sanders. Not sure I would use 26 on him, but if he's there at 58? I'd think long and hard. The reality is the Cowboys don't value DT. They don't seem to mind that certain teams can just rough up their DT rotation. So in order for Dallas to be a great D they have to get after the QB and create turnovers. Sanders is a piece that Quinn could probably use, paired with Parson, at LB that could create havoc.

- I am firmly in the get your TB in the 3rd-5th round camp. There are a lot of guys in that range - Bigsby, the kid from Pitt with too many letters in his name, Spears, McIntosh, Evans. Grab one there. Not at 26. And for freaksakes, not at 15 because Jerry got stupid and traded away a 2nd round pick to do it.

- I am not high on this WR class. Yeah, I know there are Hyatt fanboys out there and people think JSN is really good but again, looking at how the Cowboys build their roster and what they have and what they have done, I can't justify a guy like Hyatt, for example, at 26. Yeah, he runs fast. So did Carl Lewis, but he couldn't catch a football. The comparison is crude but the point is with how Dallas does things, they typically need their #1 to play and play alot and make an impact. Hyatt is a stach and hope guy. He's too raw to expect an impact early. He's not taking snaps from Gallup or Cooks. I just can't use a first round pick on a lay away.

- I hope they take a QB late. Kid from UCLA, kid from Purdue. Just fill the pipeline with QBs and maybe you get lucky and one hits. Late round picks are a total crap shoot. I'd rather take a flier on a QB late than some ridiculous project WR or LB.
This isn't a great draft, especially inside the trenches on both sides of the football. Torrence/Avilia are solid prospects, but many insiders believe they would be graded behind the two guards drafted in the 1st rd last yr. Mazi is athletic, have has 1/2 a sack in three seasons. Benton looks good, but he might be more of a tweener.
 

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Robinson is the wild card. All of these guys we are talking about don’t matter if Bijan is available. Bet on it. However you slice it, he’s a top 5 player in this class. Starting to look like it could be Mayer if available. Should be interesting next Thursday.
 

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You talk about value and then you say you want an off ball LB lololol
 

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You talk about value and then you say you want an off ball LB lololol
He’s a three down LB who can rush the passer and gives Quinn more options from a pass rush perspective. Allows Parsons to do other things and keep him fresher over the course of a season.

You’re the guy who wants to trade high picks to go chase a freaking TB in the draft, so LOL.
 

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How would you feel if by some chance Bijan Robinson did fall to 26 and Dallas changed plans and drafted him?
Think it’s a wasted pick. No matter how good he might be a TB rarely is enough of an impact player to change the trajectory of the franchise.

In our case, are we a stud TB away from a SB? To me, nope.
 

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Disagree on runningback. Especially for this team with this QB.

All the top teams that went deep in the playoffs, either had an all-world QB or a RB that was drafted high (first two rounds). We damn sure dont have an all-world QB, so give me Bijan please
Second round TB is different IMO than a first round one. And certainly different than trading away top picks to go chase a TB in round 1.

We had an elite TB in Elliott. How’s that work out for us? We did no better than the team led by Murray, a third round pick.
 

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Think it’s a wasted pick. No matter how good he might be a TB rarely is enough of an impact player to change the trajectory of the franchise.

In our case, are we a stud TB away from a SB? To me, nope.
I see your point but I wouldn’t kill them for taking a player that good at 26 that also fills a need. RB or not.
 

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Second round TB is different IMO than a first round one. And certainly different than trading away top picks to go chase a TB in round 1.

We had an elite TB in Elliott. How’s that work out for us? We did no better than the team led by Murray, a third round pick.
The defense and coaching was not good during those years but it isnt a coincidence that those teams gave us our best chance at a deep playoff run than any other team we fielded…
 

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How would you guys feel if our first 2 picks were Will McDonald then Laporta?

Or

Mayer & best defender available…?
I’m fine with McDonald but no way on LaPorta at 58. He’s 6’3” 245. That’s a WR or a decent TE. I’ll take him in 3

If McDonald is rd 1, 58 better be an OL
 

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The defense and coaching was not good during those years but it isnt a coincidence that those teams gave us our best chance at a deep playoff run than any other team we fielded…
But you are making my point for me. A stud TB didn’t change our franchise. We needed more talent than we had.

So I would rather use my prime picks on positions that aren’t fungible like TB is. I can build a great run game without having to splurge on a TB.

And no, those Elliott teams were no more likely to make a run than the 2014 team with Murray, a third round pick.
 

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How would you feel if by some chance Bijan Robinson did fall to 26 and Dallas changed plans and drafted him?
Thats would not be a change of plans, Jerry would be doing back flips like the women's Olympic gymnast team if Bijan slipped to 26.
Now way this war room passes on a BR if still on the board.
 

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Agree OL and DL are important.

Our pass catchers (WRs and TEs) are above average but not championship level. I don't know if they can justify it but I wouldn't expect much more out of Dak until they upgrade them.

Doubt he would be there but I would run to the podium and maybe try a small trade if Gibbs slipped to the second. And if he slipped in day 3, Kenny McIntosh would be an excellent third down back.
 

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This isn't a great draft, especially inside the trenches on both sides of the football. Torrence/Avilia are solid prospects, but many insiders believe they would be graded behind the two guards drafted in the 1st rd last yr. Mazi is athletic, have has 1/2 a sack in three seasons. Benton looks good, but he might be more of a tweener.
.....and we only had 2nd Rd grades on Zion and Kenyon.
 

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But you are making my point for me. A stud TB didn’t change our franchise. We needed more talent than we had.

So I would rather use my prime picks on positions that aren’t fungible like TB is. I can build a great run game without having to splurge on a TB.

And no, those Elliott teams were no more likely to make a run than the 2014 team with Murray, a third round pick.
You are showing bias right now, denying Zeke’s impact when he was at the top of the runningback position.


Imagine thinking O’cyrus Torrence or Steve Avila being smarter picks than Bijan Robinson LOL

And once again, Zeke at #4 overall is way different than taking a back at the end of the first round.
 

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He’s a three down LB who can rush the passer and gives Quinn more options from a pass rush perspective. Allows Parsons to do other things and keep him fresher over the course of a season.

You’re the guy who wants to trade high picks to go chase a freaking TB in the draft, so LOL.
I’ll trade my entire draft and take Bijan before I draft Sanders Lolol…sanders is legit the worst possible scenario at 26
 

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I’ll trade my entire draft and take Bijan before I draft Sanders Lolol…sanders is legit the worst possible scenario at 26
Why do you think that?

He’s the best LBr in the class and gives you legit pass rush ability.
 

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No player in this draft will have an impact on this team more than Bijan Robinson. The only OLs and DLs that I would take over him won't be on the board at 26.
 

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- Let's get this out of the way early. I am absolutely biased towards using premium picks (1st and 2nd rounders to me) on the OL or DL. Other than the QB, I don't think there is another position or group of players that affects a game more than the OL and DL. So I got into most drafts just hoping that a stud at OT or OG or OC or DT or DE or even OLB (edge) is sitting there for us to pick in the first two rounds.

- Conversely, I don't care how big a stud a RB is, I just don't see the value in taking one really high. I just don't. Yes, I get BPA and certainly there is a scenario where a TB is easily the best player available but that gap between him and what's available in the first, for example, has to be massive for me. I'd rather take a small reach on a DT in the first than take a TB. I absolutely do not, under any circumstances, go chasing a TB in the first round using a premium or mid round picks to trade up. That's just ****** roster building right there. The reality is this is a capped league. Resourcesd are not finite. Teams have continually shown that if you invest in the OL you can then patch up the RB position with minimal resources. You don't need to throw a first round pick (or trade up in the first) for a TB to build a good run game that can win in January/February. Plow your money and your top picks into the lines. That's how you build a championship roster. Not go chasing a shiny, flashy toy in a TB.

- TE is an interesting situation. To me, it's just above RB in terms of value. Ferguson is a nice prospect but he has a ceiling. I think we can get by with him but he's also not a guy that I look at and say, yeah, we good there. You can absolutely upgrade that position. But again, I can't really justify using a first round pick on one unless he's such a freak of nature and complete player. Unfortunately, that's not the case here. Mayer is the best all around guy but he has limitations. Washington looks like a freak but he has real downside. Kincaid is basically a big WR. The board would have to be pretty barren for me to consider a TE at 26 as a great pick. LaPorta at 58? OK, then I can get behind something like that.

- I've come around on Drew Sanders. Not sure I would use 26 on him, but if he's there at 58? I'd think long and hard. The reality is the Cowboys don't value DT. They don't seem to mind that certain teams can just rough up their DT rotation. So in order for Dallas to be a great D they have to get after the QB and create turnovers. Sanders is a piece that Quinn could probably use, paired with Parson, at LB that could create havoc.

- I am firmly in the get your TB in the 3rd-5th round camp. There are a lot of guys in that range - Bigsby, the kid from Pitt with too many letters in his name, Spears, McIntosh, Evans. Grab one there. Not at 26. And for freaksakes, not at 15 because Jerry got stupid and traded away a 2nd round pick to do it.

- I am not high on this WR class. Yeah, I know there are Hyatt fanboys out there and people think JSN is really good but again, looking at how the Cowboys build their roster and what they have and what they have done, I can't justify a guy like Hyatt, for example, at 26. Yeah, he runs fast. So did Carl Lewis, but he couldn't catch a football. The comparison is crude but the point is with how Dallas does things, they typically need their #1 to play and play alot and make an impact. Hyatt is a stach and hope guy. He's too raw to expect an impact early. He's not taking snaps from Gallup or Cooks. I just can't use a first round pick on a lay away.

- I hope they take a QB late. Kid from UCLA, kid from Purdue. Just fill the pipeline with QBs and maybe you get lucky and one hits. Late round picks are a total crap shoot. I'd rather take a flier on a QB late than some ridiculous project WR or LB.
Very refreshing to read. A guy that understands football.
 
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