Drafting a DLman helps multiple positions

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Take a guy like Poe (I'm assuming he turns out well here, this isnt an exact answer for what will happen) then you help multiple areas. Rat gets to move to DE, and it takes less pressure off Ware and Spencer. You take less pressure off Rat, Ware, and Spencer then you get a much better pass rush. You get a much better pass rush you take pressure off the secondary. I'm not saying we absolutely should go Poe, because I would still prefer Decastro, but taking Poe could REALLY help this defensive in a lot of ways if he pans out

 

[Doomsday101]

Take a guy like Poe (I'm assuming he turns out well here, this isnt an exact answer for what will happen) then you help multiple areas. Rat gets to move to DE, and it takes less pressure off Ware and Spencer. You take less pressure off Rat, Ware, and Spencer then you get a much better pass rush. You get a much better pass rush you take pressure off the secondary. I'm not saying we absolutely should go Poe, because I would still prefer Decastro, but taking Poe could REALLY help this defensive in a lot of ways if he pans out

I seem to have the same view. Poe would not be my choice but I will say the issue with the pass rush in my view is the lack of push we get up the middle. We can go for an outside pass rusher but unless we get push up the middle I don't think it will change much.

 

[Jenky]

Take a guy like Poe (I'm assuming he turns out well here, this isnt an exact answer for what will happen) then you help multiple areas. Rat gets to move to DE, and it takes less pressure off Ware and Spencer. You take less pressure off Rat, Ware, and Spencer then you get a much better pass rush. You get a much better pass rush you take pressure off the secondary. I'm not saying we absolutely should go Poe, because I would still prefer Decastro, but taking Poe could REALLY help this defensive in a lot of ways if he pans out

Dontari Poe - DL - Player
SI.com draft analyst Tony Pauline reports that Memphis NT Dontari Poe is the "apple of (the Cowboys') eyes" at the No. 14 overall pick.
It's worth noting Pauline was all over the Cowboys' interest in CB Brandon Carr during Combine week. Pauline reports that Dallas looked "heavily" at Georgia G/T Cordy Glenn in Indianapolis, but has now "shifted its focus" to the defensive line, targeting Poe. In Dallas, the developmental Poe could be brought along slowly as a run-stuffing nose behind Pro Bowl starter Jay Ratliff.
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Source: TFY Draft Insider Apr 2 - 2:35 PM
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If he starts, great! But I do have a problem with the part in bold. For me, the guy would have to start from day 1.

 

[Shinywalrus]

Take a guy like Poe (I'm assuming he turns out well here, this isnt an exact answer for what will happen) then you help multiple areas. Rat gets to move to DE, and it takes less pressure off Ware and Spencer. You take less pressure off Rat, Ware, and Spencer then you get a much better pass rush. You get a much better pass rush you take pressure off the secondary. I'm not saying we absolutely should go Poe, because I would still prefer Decastro, but taking Poe could REALLY help this defensive in a lot of ways if he pans out

I don't know why people keep making this argument with respect to the defensive line. Is there any position on the field that doesn't have this exact same ripple effect on other position groups?

Better interior help the QB help the receivers. Better secondary helps the pass rush. Better cheerleaders help everyone.

DL is a place where we have players we can probably improve on - especially in depth - but it's not special in the dimension the OP mentions.

 

[tayloner]

Dontari Poe - DL - Player
SI.com draft analyst Tony Pauline reports that Memphis NT Dontari Poe is the "apple of (the Cowboys') eyes" at the No. 14 overall pick.
It's worth noting Pauline was all over the Cowboys' interest in CB Brandon Carr during Combine week. Pauline reports that Dallas looked "heavily" at Georgia G/T Cordy Glenn in Indianapolis, but has now "shifted its focus" to the defensive line, targeting Poe. In Dallas, the developmental Poe could be brought along slowly as a run-stuffing nose behind Pro Bowl starter Jay Ratliff.
Related: Cowboys
Source: TFY Draft Insider Apr 2 - 2:35 PM
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If he starts, great! But I do have a problem with the part in bold. For me, the guy would have to start from day 1.

Read this report this morning as well. I remember Tony Pauline reporting VERY early the Cowboys we're going to be all-in on Brandon Carr, so there is some merit to this report.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Dontari Poe - DL - Player
SI.com draft analyst Tony Pauline reports that Memphis NT Dontari Poe is the "apple of (the Cowboys') eyes" at the No. 14 overall pick.
It's worth noting Pauline was all over the Cowboys' interest in CB Brandon Carr during Combine week. Pauline reports that Dallas looked "heavily" at Georgia G/T Cordy Glenn in Indianapolis, but has now "shifted its focus" to the defensive line, targeting Poe. In Dallas, the developmental Poe could be brought along slowly as a run-stuffing nose behind Pro Bowl starter Jay Ratliff.
Related: Cowboys
Source: TFY Draft Insider Apr 2 - 2:35 PM
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If he starts, great! But I do have a problem with the part in bold. For me, the guy would have to start from day 1.

Interesting. So on passing downs, when Dallas has a 3-4 allignment they can feature Ratliff at NT, but feature Poe there on running downs.

More intriguing is what happens in 4-3 allignment.s In this case, your DTs are Spears and Poe with Ware and Ratliff as the DEs.

Does/can Spencer play WLB in a 4-3? That's the closest position in a 4-3 to what he plays mostly now which is OLB focused more on coeverage than pass rush.

 

[NinePointOh]

Dontari Poe - DL - Player
SI.com draft analyst Tony Pauline reports that Memphis NT Dontari Poe is the "apple of (the Cowboys') eyes" at the No. 14 overall pick.
It's worth noting Pauline was all over the Cowboys' interest in CB Brandon Carr during Combine week. Pauline reports that Dallas looked "heavily" at Georgia G/T Cordy Glenn in Indianapolis, but has now "shifted its focus" to the defensive line, targeting Poe. In Dallas, the developmental Poe could be brought along slowly as a run-stuffing nose behind Pro Bowl starter Jay Ratliff.
Related: Cowboys
Source: TFY Draft Insider Apr 2 - 2:35 PM
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If he starts, great! But I do have a problem with the part in bold. For me, the guy would have to start from day 1.

Pauline didn't report the part in bold, or anything remotely similar to it -- that's added speculation from whoever is re-posting his information.

If we draft Poe in the first round, it's almost certainly because we believe he has an extremely good chance of being a starter on day 1 (which would presumably involve moving Ratliff to DE). If it turns out Poe is not as ready as we hoped, our roster does give us the flexibility to bring him along slowly, instead of forcing him into a starting role whether he's ready or not. That doesn't mean it's the plan for him, just a fall-back option.

 

[burmafrd]

I don't know why people keep making this argument with respect to the defensive line. Is there any position on the field that doesn't have this exact same ripple effect on other position groups?

Better interior help the QB help the receivers. Better secondary helps the pass rush. Better cheerleaders help everyone.

DL is a place where we have players we can probably improve on - especially in depth - but it's not special in the dimension the OP mentions.

one could respond that strengthening the O line will protect our QB, improve our Running Game, and therefore help the D by keeping the other O on the bench and therefore benefit the WHOLE team.

 

[CF74]

I seem to have the same view. Poe would not be my choice but I will say the issue with the pass rush in my view is the lack of push we get up the middle. We can go for an outside pass rusher but unless we get push up the middle I don't think it will change much.

Count me as three...

Get us Taamu, Fangupo, or Jean-Baptiste...

Not sold on the "1st Rounders.."

 

[speedkilz88]

Poe isn't just a NT prospect, he is also able to play the five technique at end.

 

[speedkilz88]

Interesting. So on passing downs, when Dallas has a 3-4 allignment they can feature Ratliff at NT, but feature Poe there on running downs.

More intriguing is what happens in 4-3 allignment.s In this case, your DTs are Spears and Poe with Ware and Ratliff as the DEs.

Does/can Spencer play WLB in a 4-3? That's the closest position in a 4-3 to what he plays mostly now which is OLB focused more on coeverage than pass rush.

Passing downs (4-3) Ratliff would play DT like he has always played and Spencer(or a pass rush specialist) would be an end.

 

[newlander]

I'm all for it.....Poe? Hell NO..........

 

[Ren]

I hope we don't draft Poe that's a pick with bust written all over it

 

[AdamJT13]

taking Poe could REALLY help this defensive in a lot of ways if he pans out

That's an enormous "if."

 

[erod]

Just say no to Poe.

It seems that multiple sources say the guy basically failed to make a meaningful play his entire college career.

When the pads go on and the play is for real, he shrinks like a lilly.

 

[LarryCanadian]

Count me in as one that also believes getting a top notch NT will help Rat, and in turn also help Ware/Spencer/Butler.

I'd also add, that Dallas has SMALLER ILB's now. Lee isn't huge and neither are Carter or Connor, so a BIG traditional 3-4 Nose might help let those guys flow to the ball and make tackles.

I'd absolutely love it, if in the first 3 rounds we could add a NT and either a DE with a bit of pass rush ability as well, or an OLB that can put a little pressure on.

All of the above helps the secondary as well.

I'm not sure if Poe is the answer, but a solid NT would be a nice addition. Not sure how effective Rat will be moved outside more, but I think his size and speed would be a situational upgrade for sure.

 

[Derekmtl85]

Dontari Poe - DL - Player
SI.com draft analyst Tony Pauline reports that Memphis NT Dontari Poe is the "apple of (the Cowboys') eyes" at the No. 14 overall pick.
It's worth noting Pauline was all over the Cowboys' interest in CB Brandon Carr during Combine week. Pauline reports that Dallas looked "heavily" at Georgia G/T Cordy Glenn in Indianapolis, but has now "shifted its focus" to the defensive line, targeting Poe. In Dallas, the developmental Poe could be brought along slowly as a run-stuffing nose behind Pro Bowl starter Jay Ratliff.
Related: Cowboys
Source: TFY Draft Insider Apr 2 - 2:35 PM
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If he starts, great! But I do have a problem with the part in bold. For me, the guy would have to start from day 1.

If anybody tells you that any other player did more to increase his stock at the 2012 scouting combine than Memphis defensive tackle Dontari Poe, you know that person wasn't watching Monday's drills for defensive linemen and linebackers. After putting up a combine-best 44 reps in the 225-pound bench press, Poe went out to the track at Indianapolis' Lucas Oil Stadium and ran an unofficial 4.87 40-yard dash ... at 6-foot-4, and 346 pounds. His official best time was 4.98, which is still ridiculous when you consider that Ndamukong Suh ran an official 5.03 at his combine, and he was 40 pounds lighter than Poe.

And those in the know aren't entirely surprised by the big man's speed -- per NFLDraftScout.com, Poe ran school-timed 40s under five seconds on at least two occasions.

Even more interesting was the fact that at the combine, Poe had an unofficial 1.70 10-yard split, which absolutely speaks to his ability to explode off the snap and do really bad things to offensive linemen. Getting the numbers for that initial burst is very important -- far more important than the whole 40 -- when looking at linemen and linebackers who can explode off the snap. To put Poe's split in perspective, future endbackers like Nick Perry and Shea McClellin had 10-yard splits in the 1.57 to 1.59 range -- and Poe outweighs McClellin by about 100 pounds. Yikes.

After the run, Mike Mayock of the NFL Network raved about Poe's movement skills, opining that Poe looks a lot like Haloti Ngata of the Baltimore Ravens at the line, and especially in zone drops. Ngata has a rare ability to "get skinny" through blockers at 350 pounds, and there's tape of Poe doing the same sort of stuff.

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Got that from Yahoo sports, not the best place for news but it uses facts instead of speculation.

Why do people think he's going to be a bust? (I'm curious, i don't know much about this guy)

 

[AdamJT13]

Why do people think he's going to be a bust? (I'm curious, i don't know much about this guy)

He just doesn't play up to his physical ability.

You can watch this video of him on every play against Tulane --

[youtube]AZxD_uV5kyk[/youtube]

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That's 65 snaps with a whole lotta nothin' going on.



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[jayhouston12]

I'm really not sold on poe being a dallas cowboy and making an impact

right now we need to focus on either OLB center or gaurd in the 1st round...if decastro is available take him if hes not and upshaw is available take him

if neither is available and konz is then take him

so basically it just comes down to decastro, konz or upshaw take whichever

 

[Doomsday101]

He just doesn't play up to his physical ability.

You can watch this video of him on every play against Tulane --

[youtube]AZxD_uV5kyk[/youtube]

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That's 65 snaps with a whole lotta nothin' going on.



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Thanks for the clips. This was in the 4-3 alignment it would be interesting to see him in a 3-4.