Drafting a DLman helps multiple positions

[Risen Star]

I agree. Dominant line play will trickle down to the other players. They make everybody better.

 

[jayhouston12]

He just doesn't play up to his physical ability.

You can watch this video of him on every play against Tulane --

[youtube]AZxD_uV5kyk[/youtube]

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That's 65 snaps with a whole lotta nothin' going on.



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judging from just this alone he has no burst and does not fire off the line very well but waits for the lineman to get to him.....and once he's double teamed it seems to be an automatic hole opening

 

[speedkilz88]

He just doesn't play up to his physical ability.

You can watch this video of him on every play against Tulane --

[youtube]AZxD_uV5kyk[/youtube]

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That's 65 snaps with a whole lotta nothin' going on.



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He was facing a spread offense that was repeatedly trying to get the ball off quickly. He still showed the ability to cause pressure by splitting double teams and then when they moved him outside the Tulane OTs couldn't keep up with him. Tulane had a whopping 2.6 yds per rush also.

 

[btcutter]

judging from just this alone he has no burst and does not fire off the line very well but waits for the lineman to get to him.....and once he's double teamed it seems to be an automatic hole opening

That's pretty much what I saw. Also he doesn't have any instincts or play recognition.

He may have incredible combine in terms of burst, power and speed but he is not using ANY OF THEM on the football field.

BUST.

 

[bark]

He just doesn't play up to his physical ability.

You can watch this video of him on every play against Tulane --

[youtube]AZxD_uV5kyk[/youtube]

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That's 65 snaps with a whole lotta nothin' going on.



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you musta missed that ONE tackle and him fallin on the qb after a bad snap.
DO NOT DRAFT THIS GUY.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Just say no to Poe.

It seems that multiple sources say the guy basically failed to make a meaningful play his entire college career.

When the pads go on and the play is for real, he shrinks like a lilly.

It seems the hyperbole is strong in this one.

 

[slomoxn]

Interesting. So on passing downs, when Dallas has a 3-4 allignment they can feature Ratliff at NT, but feature Poe there on running downs.

More intriguing is what happens in 4-3 allignment.s In this case, your DTs are Spears and Poe with Ware and Ratliff as the DEs.

Does/can Spencer play WLB in a 4-3? That's the closest position in a 4-3 to what he plays mostly now which is OLB focused more on coeverage than pass rush.

Isn't this part of the problem now, Ratliff is unable to collapse the pocket which allows the QB to step up and deliver a nice, crisp, pass to whoever he chooses. While at the same time we are screaming about Ware not getting a sack or Almost Anthony not generating any pressure. The real problem is that the quarterback has a beautiful pocket to slide into because Ratliff is still at the line of scrimmage being blocked out. So it would be great to get someone in there that can tie up 2 OL and/or push the pocket back to not allow the QB to have nice comfy room to step into and light us up.

 

[burmafrd]

as Sidious hid his power from the Jedi Council, so has Poe hidden his talent from all who watch film.

That basically is what those shilling for him want you to believe



"this is not the NT you are looking for. Move along"

 

[reddyuta]

Isn't this part of the problem now, Ratliff is unable to collapse the pocket which allows the QB to step up and deliver a nice, crisp, pass to whoever he chooses. While at the same time we are screaming about Ware not getting a sack or Almost Anthony not generating any pressure. The real problem is that the quarterback has a beautiful pocket to slide into because Ratliff is still at the line of scrimmage being blocked out. So it would be great to get someone in there that can tie up 2 OL and/or push the pocket back to not allow the QB to have nice comfy room to step into and light us up.

this is so right and I bet Rob ryan knows this too,the secondary was awful last year but time and again the QBs would step up to avoid pressure and make the throw on critical 3rd downs.I can see why they have interest in Poe ,I really think Rat should not be playing NT on every down.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

If Poes value increased the most at the NFL Combine then Brockers value decreased the most.


So pick a side, Brockers or Poe, is the Combine everything or nothing.

 

[Wulfman]

Don't want him. He is a workout specimen whose ability hasn't translated to the field even at a lower level of competition. There's no reason whatsoever to think the switch is suddenly going to go off at the pro level.

If someone else takes him and he becomes the next big thing, so be it. I'll tip my hat to the scouts who could see what hadn't been demonstrated and the coaches that were able to get it out of him. But I'm not interested in gambling a first round pick on him when there are ample other needs and alternatives at multiple positions.

And stop dreaming about Ratliff moving to DE. Everyone from the front office and coaching staff I've heard that has commented on the topic has said he's staying at NT. Time to move on with a different idea.

 

[LowTech]

I am somewhat underwhelmed by Poe. Everything seems to be there for him to be a great NT, except effort. He appears to stop playing before the whistle is blown.

I really wish I could like the guy more, but I find it difficult.

 

[CF74]

His best play was at the 2:34 mark. Well that's when I got bored...

i did notice he was double teamed on most plays and he held up ok...

not a whole lot of wow in that scenario...

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I am somewhat underwhelmed by Poe. Everything seems to be there for him to be a great NT, except effort. He appears to stop playing before the whistle is blown.

I really wish I could like the guy more, but I find it difficult.

Poe reminds me of Tank Johnson. He was a guy with great size and strength but played like his feet were anchored in cement. He talked the talk, but when push came to shove he walked the plank, right into the seah of Blah.

 

[InmanRoshi]

The more time goes by the more I think the Cowboys are looking at OLB more than DE. I think they're happy with the strides that Lissemore and Hatcher took last year, and I think they view Geathers as a first day draft pick caliber talent after he gets a year with Woicik.

Meanwhile, I think think Jerry not only wants to bring in competition for Spencer in 2012, but more importantly replace him in 2013. I don't think he wants to pay him franchise tag money again, and he knows that if he signs him to a long term extension he'll regret the contract before the ink is even dry on the paper. Victor Butler is a free agent in 2013 too.

I don't buy the Poe rumors at all. Pauline threw a lot of stuff against the wall last year.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I seem to have the same view. Poe would not be my choice but I will say the issue with the pass rush in my view is the lack of push we get up the middle. We can go for an outside pass rusher but unless we get push up the middle I don't think it will change much.

I agree. Defensive line is our top need. I'd like to see us grab a nice LB too.

 

[ddh33]

I would prefer to add a real pressure player to this team. I want someone more dynamic than a guy who is going to occupy space or hold the point of attack. I understand those guys are needed on a team, I just don't want to spend first round picks on them. Unfortunately, I worry that there isn't a great pass rusher sitting at #14 for Dallas.

 

[Brooksey]

I don't know why people keep making this argument with respect to the defensive line. Is there any position on the field that doesn't have this exact same ripple effect on other position groups?

Better interior help the QB help the receivers. Better secondary helps the pass rush. Better cheerleaders help everyone.

DL is a place where we have players we can probably improve on - especially in depth - but it's not special in the dimension the OP mentions.

It most certainly is.

 

[BlindFaith]

He was facing a spread offense that was repeatedly trying to get the ball off quickly. He still showed the ability to cause pressure by splitting double teams and then when they moved him outside the Tulane OTs couldn't keep up with him. Tulane had a whopping 2.6 yds per rush also.

This is what I saw too. They were sliding protections his way and he was double teamed a lot. And you're not going to get a lot of tackles or sacks against the spread and the three step drops.

Half way through they switched to 3 down lineman as they were getting gashed by the pass.

This is the first game tape I've seen of him. He moves well for a big guy. Has quick feet. Doesn't get driven back. Has a little swim move. Not affraid to mix it up a little.

I feel better about him now than I did before.