Drafting a Swing Tackle

[jobberone]

We need a swing tackle. Unless Houck thinks he can convert Barron into a real live tackle then we don't have one.

You can argue about Smith being the right pick at nine from a talent standpoint. But he is definitely the best candidate out there for a swing tackle.

I think this is the primary reason Dallas may take him at nine. Otherwise they could take a chance on trading down and trying to get him in the teens.

I'm not saying he can't start at RT if he's drafted. Even if he starts he can still be the swing tackle taking over for an injured Free.

BTW, I'm not a huge fan but I do see the talent esp down the road.

 

[TheCount]

As far as I've seen, this teams policy when a starter goes down is to play the next guy on the depth chart, not move another guy and cause a problem at two positions.

If they stick to that, then Tyron wouldn't move to LT if Free got injured, Free's backup would get the start.

The Saint's did this as well the year they won the Superbowl. Jamaal Brown went down and instead of moving their RT (Stinchcomb) to the left side, they started Jermon Bushrod (a 4th round pick two years prior who had barely seen any action) on Drew Bree's blind side for 14 games.

A swing tackle is precisely a guy like Barron, a career backup that is good (Whether Barron is good for anything is obviously debatable) for a spot start here or there if the REAL players get hurt. You aren't going to start your swing guy and then switch his position mid season because another guy got hurt.

That's why I kind of laugh when guys say "Draft Wisniewski, start him at guard and then move him to center". If you get Wisniewski and he ends up being a good guard, you better go draft/sign a damn center and leave him where he's at!

 

[speedkilz88]

Sam Young was the swing tackle at the end of the year.

 

[jobberone]

As far as I've seen, this teams policy when a starter goes down is to play the next guy on the depth chart, not move another guy and cause a problem at two positions.

If they stick to that, then Tyron wouldn't move to LT if Free got injured, Free's backup would get the start.

The Saint's did this as well the year they won the Superbowl. Jamaal Brown went down and instead of moving their RT (Stinchcomb) to the left side, they started Jermon Bushrod (a 4th round pick two years prior who had barely seen any action) on Drew Bree's blind side for 14 games.

A swing tackle is precisely a guy like Barron, a career backup that is good (Whether Barron is good for anything is obviously debatable) for a spot start here or there if the REAL players get hurt. You aren't going to start your swing guy and then switch his position mid season because another guy got hurt.

That's why I kind of laugh when guys say "Draft Wisniewski, start him at guard and then move him to center". If you get Wisniewski and he ends up being a good guard, you better go draft/sign a damn center and leave him where he's at!

Well you would start the backup if he can play LT. You can't stick a guy over there who can't play the position. I don't see Brewster or Young as a LT or swing tackle. Colombo can't play the left side either. Barron is not the answer at tackle either left or right. So we need a swing tackle.

 

[UnoDallas]

you draft either Sherrod or Smith

Sherrod can play either bookend and the interchangeability between he and Doug Free will be valuable on game-day inactive decisions. Injuries do play a part in the NFL game, as the Cowboys learned all too well this season.
if Free goes down

you move one of these guys to LT

and put Young at RT

or sign someone

 

[ThreeandOut]

you draft either Sherrod or Smith

Sherrod can play either bookend and the interchangeability between he and Doug Free will be valuable on game-day inactive decisions. Injuries do play a part in the NFL game, as the Cowboys learned all too well this season.
if Free goes down

you move one of these guys to LT

and put Young at RT

or sign someone

I agree with you and think Smith, Sherrod and Castonzo could fill the swing tackle role in addition to immediately starting at RT. Any one of these guys would add tremendous value because they can replace both Columbo and Barron.

 

[TheCount]

Well you would start the backup if he can play LT. You can't stick a guy over there who can't play the position. I don't see Brewster or Young as a LT or swing tackle. Colombo can't play the left side either. Barron is not the answer at tackle either left or right. So we need a swing tackle.

That's what I mean, none of these guys we're thinking about drafting in the first round would qualify as a swing tackle unless they weren't starting this year.

Once you become a starting tackle, or even guard, they aren't going to switch your position if someone else goes down.

When Koiser (and then Holland) got hurt, we didn't move Davis to LG and have someone else start at RG. We had Phil Costa start at LG.

I agree that we need a new backup that can play both spots, I'm just saying it probably won't be the tackle we take in the first round. They have enough on their plate without having to learn to play both tackle positions.

 

[dogberry]

After the Viking game I wanted 4 players who can play tackle on the 45 roster.

One of the disadvantages of being 61 is that I want one of everything that has ever broke in the trunk of the car.

 

[jobberone]

That's what I mean, none of these guys we're thinking about drafting in the first round would qualify as a swing tackle unless they weren't starting this year.

Once you become a starting tackle, or even guard, they aren't going to switch your position if someone else goes down.

When Koiser (and then Holland) got hurt, we didn't move Davis to LG and have someone else start at RG. We had Phil Costa start at LG.

I agree that we need a new backup that can play both spots, I'm just saying it probably won't be the tackle we take in the first round. They have enough on their plate without having to learn to play both tackle positions.

We just don't agree. Here's a scenario for you.

We draft Smith and he starts at RT. Colombo is his backup and there is no other swing tackle on the team. I don't think for a minute Young or Brewster can play on the left side.

Free goes down. You have to rotate Smith to the left side and bring Colombo in on the right.

You can't put someone who can't play the left on the left side.

 

[Dodger]

Sam Young was the swing tackle at the end of the year.

And I think that's how the team will use him again this year.

 

[supercowboy8]

My question to all who are dead set on Tyron Smith, is why do you think he came out this year besides waiting? He knew this was a weak class so that elevates him over others. Also he knew with next years OT class he wouldn't even be a top 20 pick. So smart move for Smith but is it smart for a team to take him at 9.

Kalil, a sophmore started LT for USC this year and not Tyron Smith. Why didn't they just move Smith over to LT if he can play the position. Smith has more starting experence than Kalil so wouldn't you want you better more experenced OT playing at LT if he had the ability?

I'm just wondering what this OT draft class next year is going to look like? Kalil will be a top pick next year if and when he comes out. HE is a true LT who has proven it. Started all year this year at LT and will again next year. You also have Nate Potter, Mike Adams, Jonathon Martin, Riley Reiff.

Seeing all those LTs who can go in the NFL draft had to scare Smith and this was the best year for Smith to come out. I don't mind Smith because I think he can atleast play RT for us and if he develops into a LT then great. But my only problem is drafting a RT at 9. It's our luck that when we need o get a day one starting RT that it just happens to be a weak class.

 

[Gaede]

I definitely think we'll go after a guy with experience on both sides of the line--Castonzo, Sherrod--and/or at multiple interior positions (Pouncey, Wisniewski, Moffitt). Our coaches like our OL to be as versatile as possible.

 

[TheCount]

You can't put someone who can't play the left on the left side.

No, you can't. What makes you think Smith, or any other rookie RT, would be ready to man the left side either?

Both Jerry and Wade said in the past that when a player gets injured, they believe in starting that players backup rather than creating a problem at two positions.

This is precisely what Boylhart was cautioning against, because I can see this entire thread is setup as another advocacy for drafting Tyron Smith.

You can't draft Smith to play RT because you think he is a better backup for Free than Barron, that's insane.

 

[IrishAnto]

My question to all who are dead set on Tyron Smith, is why do you think he came out this year besides waiting? He knew this was a weak class so that elevates him over others. Also he knew with next years OT class he wouldn't even be a top 20 pick. So smart move for Smith but is it smart for a team to take him at 9.

Kalil, a sophmore started LT for USC this year and not Tyron Smith. Why didn't they just move Smith over to LT if he can play the position. Smith has more starting experence than Kalil so wouldn't you want you better more experenced OT playing at LT if he had the ability?

I'm just wondering what this OT draft class next year is going to look like? Kalil will be a top pick next year if and when he comes out. HE is a true LT who has proven it. Started all year this year at LT and will again next year. You also have Nate Potter, Mike Adams, Jonathon Martin, Riley Reiff.

Seeing all those LTs who can go in the NFL draft had to scare Smith and this was the best year for Smith to come out. I don't mind Smith because I think he can atleast play RT for us and if he develops into a LT then great. But my only problem is drafting a RT at 9. It's our luck that when we need o get a day one starting RT that it just happens to be a weak class.

If Kalil is so much better than Smith, why was it that Smith won the Morris trophy?

 

[supercowboy8]

If Kalil is so much better than Smith, why was it that Smith won the Morris trophy?

If Smith is so much better than Carimi why is it that Carimi won the Outland trophy.

If Pouncey is so much better than Jake Kirkpatrick is, then why did Kirkpatrick win the Rimington trophy.

 

[IrishAnto]

If Smith is so much better than Carimi why is it that Carimi won the Outland trophy.

If Pouncey is so much better than Jake Kirkpatrick is, then why did Kirkpatrick win the Rimington trophy.

The Defensive Linemen in the PAC 10 vote for the Morris trophy winner.

The same Defensive Linemen that play against Kalil and Smith.

Does Carimi play in the PAC 10?

 

[supercowboy8]

The Defensive Linemen in the PAC 10 vote for the Morris trophy winner.

The same Defensive Linemen that play against Kalil and Smith.

Does Carimi play in the PAC 10?

No Carimi dosn't play in the PAC 10 but that doesn't mean anything. My point was, since you cannot understand. You are syaing Smith is better than Kalil because he won an award. Well I'm just asking the question then, why is Smith projected better than Carimi if Carimi won the Outland. Also why is Pouncey or Wisniewski rated better than Kirkpatrick who won the Remington award which goes to the nations best C.

I'm just saying, your going by an award then Carimi is you top OT and Kirkpatrick is your top C.

Also that great Morris Trophy went to CHarles Brown last year. Where did he go in the draft? Yeah it proves nothing.

 

[IrishAnto]

No Carimi dosn't play in the PAC 10 but that doesn't mean anything. My point was, since you cannot understand. You are syaing Smith is better than Kalil because he won an award. Well I'm just asking the question then, why is Smith projected better than Carimi if Carimi won the Outland. Also why is Pouncey or Wisniewski rated better than Kirkpatrick who won the Remington award which goes to the nations best C.

I'm just saying, your going by an award then Carimi is you top OT and Kirkpatrick is your top C.

Also that great Morris Trophy went to CHarles Brown last year. Where did he go in the draft? Yeah it proves nothing.

Yes it does, the linemen play against Kalil and Smith and Smith was considered by them the better OL and that’s why he won the trophy. You said that if Smith waited until next year’s draft he wouldn’t be in the 20 picks, yet he’s the Morris winner not Kalil. So what are you biasing that statement on?

As for Smith and Carimi why do scouts have Smith rated higher?
Do you think Carimi would be in top 20 picks in next years draft?

 

[supercowboy8]

Yes it does, the linemen play against Kalil and Smith and Smith was considered by them the better OL and that’s why he won the trophy. You said that if Smith waited until next year’s draft he wouldn’t be in the 20 picks, yet he’s the Morris winner not Kalil. So what are you biasing that statement on?

As for Smith and Carimi why do scouts have Smith rated higher?
Do you think Carimi would be in top 20 picks in next years draft?

So are you saying that Brown is better than SMith since Brown won the trophy last year over Smith. Why didn't Brown go 1st round then and SMith is worth the 9th pick.

Only reason why "scouts" TV guys have Smith over Carimi is the same reason why they had draft busts rated so high. His upsdie and potetntial and not based off his play. SMith has the atlethic ability and potetnial to be some kind of great LT. Like any of them can actually see the future.

No I don't think Carimi would be a top 20 pick in next years draft. He wouldn't have been in last years draft either. I don't think any OT this year is worth the 9th pick.

 

[jobberone]

I think Sherrod and Smith are the only two first round tackles who project to the left side eventually. I could easily be wrong about that but that's the rumor.