Drafting multiple corners...

[Chocolate Lab]

Think about it. You know it's right. It's why RBs make such a huge impact, but are compensated worse than other positions - there's more good ones to go around. That doesn't mean they're less important than a CB - they're just in less demand.

Not to get all economics 101, but a shortage occurs when there's less supply than demand. So yes, there aren't many good corners to go around. But a low supply wouldn't matter if demand were equally low.

And of course RBs are less important than passrushers, or LTs, or CBs, or other highly-compensated positions. That's why they're paid less -- because everyone knows you can plug in a good mid-level back and get satisfactory results. Not so for the other positions.

 

[Rockytop6]

I've seen quite a few posts suggesting that we draft multiple corners. I actually think it would be a great idea if we could get good quality. We definitely need a 3rd corner, maybe even a 4th corner, and possibly someone to groom as a safety.

However, when I think of a multiple corner draft, talk of trading down, and reaching for need, I recall the 2000 draft of Dwayne Goodrich, Karreem Larrimore, and Mario Edwards...wow...do you all think Jerry is past that stage?

I sure hope so. I applauded the move when it was made. The strategy wasn't bad the selections were. I hope one of the top 3 falls to us and then we pick up a scond cb in maybe the 4th rd depending upon who is available. If there is a better player available in the other 6 rounds than a cb then go with the best player depending upon the position he plays.

 

[superpunk]

Not to get all economics 101, but a shortage occurs when there's less supply than demand. So yes, there aren't many good corners to go around. But a low supply wouldn't matter if demand were equally low.

And of course RBs are less important than passrushers, or LTs, or CBs, or other highly-compensated positions. That's why they're paid less -- because everyone knows you can plug in a good mid-level back and get satisfactory results. Not so for the other positions.

Apparently you need some economics 101. The demand for corners is high because there are 64 starting CB positions in the league (more with the nickel becoming more prevalent) whereas there are 32 spots for starting RBs (with a few more for two back systems). That alone makes good CBs worth more than good RBs, but does not necessarily make them more important.

So teams throwing money at good corners denotes demand - not importance, as you suggested. If they were that important, I'd imagine SF could have managed to improve on it's record last season.

They're just not. They're a very nice luxury. I'd love to keep the one we have. But I also realize it might be time to prepare ourselves for losing him. Given the depth at corner in this class, and our current status at corner, it certainly looks like we're poised to do that this year.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

We need someone to come in and take over for Henry. I doubt he's brought back when his contract/career is up. Newman will probably re-sign here long term. I doubt he walks.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I guess there's more demand for placekickers than for QBs, then. After all, there are two or three QBs on every team, and only one kicker.

Seriously, why is there demand in the first place?

Because GMs think they are important, that's why.

Your only argument is that GMs are stupid for valuing good corners. Maybe that one would work. But they do value them, or they wouldn't get paid what they do.

 

[superpunk]

C'mon....kickers v. QBs? I know where you're going, but....weak. That was very weak. There is a noticable trend between top QBs and winning teams.

If the market value for corners remains where it is, and we're talking 25-30 mil guaranteed when Newman wants a new deal, then I think it's better for the team if we try to replace him rather than resign him.

Now is a good time to prepare for that. It probably won't come to that, making a decision, but we ought to prepare like it will.

 

[DFWJC]

It's predraft time, and right now every prospect out there is going to be great. But in a few months, the hard reality will hit that a lot of these guys can't play.

That part, I totally agree with. It is amazing how so many feel they know how good a player is going to be. Nobody does here or anywhere else...not now, not ever. It's a helluva lot of fun to guess though! So that's what we do on these pre draft posts. But no one should ever act as if they they know what really will happen. If we are good we guess right on 1/3 of the draftees by round and expectations.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Someone distracted me and I got the analogy backwards anyway.

I should've said that by that way of thinking, there should more demand for, say, safeties, since every team needs two of them to start vs. only one QB.

But the point still stands... Certain positions make more because they are perceived as more valuable, not because there are more or fewer of them on the football field. If they weren't, tackles wouldn't get more than guards, etc.

Anyway...

I'd say that if we get incredibly lucky and hit on a couple of great-looking young prospects, we could think about letting one of them replace Newman. Until then, I wouldn't weaken a position that needs to be strengthened. That's just me, though.

 

[L-O-Jete]

Winner.

The hope you hit on a late rd corner NEVER works. We have been doing this for a while, with 6th and 7th rders, UFA's, heck, even throw Pat watkins in there. We need early draft DB talent. Hate to state the obvious, but there is a reason why some players get drafted higher than others

I wouldn't say NEVER, Larry Brown and Everson Walls did pretty good for this here team, one of our current starters was a 4th rounder originally...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I can't even begin to imagine what this means.

it's not that hard, OTs have a huge market value and their franchise tag is either above CB's, or just below, and their importance is usually tremendous to the success of winning teams

I agree to an extent w/ what you're saying, but if you don't have great pass-rushers, you're going to need great CB play, which is why Philly was able to move on from Vincent and Taylor, because they always manage to get to the QB, and it's funny, that they go to signing Asante Samuels because their pass rush isn't as fearsome as it once was

we shall see if Newman continues to get nicked up, but he could be another Darrell Green that plays at a high-level well into his 30's

 

[InmanRoshi]

Some thoughts on the thread.

a) Some people are throwing down the Pac Man scnenerio like it's actually going to solve anything. You don't count on Pac Man solve a problem for you. Even if he somehow becomes a Cowboy, he's one strip club incident away from a lifetime banishment. Given his track record, I would put the odds 50/50 that he does something stupid between now and his reinstatement hearing.

b) Newman is one of my favorite Cowboys, but if he goes through another injury riddled season like this last one I would be very reluctant to give him franchise CB money.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Some thoughts on the thread.

a) Some people are throwing down the Pac Man scnenerio like it's actually going to solve anything. You don't count on Pac Man solve a problem for you. Even if he somehow becomes a Cowboy, he's one strip club incident away from a lifetime banishment. Given his track record, I would put the odds 50/50 that he does something stupid between now and his reinstatement hearing.

that's what I'm saying, you don't wait on a contingency plan that might not even go down

b) Newman is one of my favorite Cowboys, but if he goes through another injury riddled season like this last one I would be very reluctant to give him franchise CB money.

agreed, if he starts showing that his body is breaking down, I wouldn't re-sign him to a huge contract, that's the only reason that would sway me against it