Drafting multiple corners...

[junk]

Based on the depth at corner in the draft, I think we'll be really well served to take two corners with our first three picks.

It will be tough to do, but I think it will end up being best for this franchise if we can let Newman walk when his contract is up. Going CB heavy in a class this talented is a great way to give ourselves that flexibility.

Absolutely. Re-signing Ware and Newman is going to be expensive and I take Ware over Newman everytime.

 

[Nexx]

drafting highly rated corners = good idea.

drafting multiple later round corners hoping to hit on a few = bad idea.

as i recall the eagles took two corners in the 2nd round awhile back and it seemed to work out for them.

 

[Carlito]

I dont agree with 2 CB's in the 1st round. I think a top notch speed back to compliment MBIII is a must. I love Barber, but let's be honest he is not an all-purpose back and is best off the bench to provide a spark. As it has been said numerous times on this board we need a wr with dangerous speed who can stretch the field. This is why I hope we use the #22 for a CB such as Cromartie (may have to trade up to get him) or another top corner. Then use #28 for Deshean Jackson if he is still there or a speed back if not. Then our pick in the second for a either speed back or a wr (whichever we didn't get at #28). I think Jamaal Charles could be had in the second round or surely at #28. However, if there are several backs available at #28, then we can take a wr or if there is no wr left for that pick then trade down into the early 2nd round to get extra picks then draft charles or another RB.

 

[dbair1967]

Me neither.

It's predraft time, and right now every prospect out there is going to be great. But in a few months, the hard reality will hit that a lot of these guys can't play.

Something few is this forum grasp right now

David

 

[superpunk]

It's not about replacing Newman 1 to 1. It's about putting ourselves in a position where resigning him is a luxury, not a necessity. I love him as much as the next guy, but if there was a choice between him and our other stars, the other guys win out almost all the time.

Sometimes, you don't have any choice but to say goodbye, and do what you have to do financially. It's time to start preparing for that.

 

[Nexx]

I dont agree with 2 CB's in the 1st round. I think a top notch speed back to compliment MBIII is a must. I love Barber, but let's be honest he is not an all-purpose back and is best off the bench to provide a spark. As it has been said numerous times on this board we need a wr with dangerous speed who can stretch the field. This is why I hope we use the #22 for a CB such as Cromartie (may have to trade up to get him) or another top corner. Then use #28 for Deshean Jackson if he is still there or a speed back if not. Then our pick in the second for a either speed back or a wr (whichever we didn't get at #28). I think Jamaal Charles could be had in the second round or surely at #28. However, if there are several backs available at #28, then we can take a wr or if there is no wr left for that pick then trade down into the early 2nd round to get extra picks then draft charles or another RB.

chris johnson or jar jar charles will be available in the 2nd round.

 

[Nexx]

It's not about replacing Newman 1 to 1. It's about putting ourselves in a position where resigning him is a luxury, not a necessity. I love him as much as the next guy, but if there was a choice between him and our other stars, the other guys win out almost all the time.

Sometimes, you don't have any choice but to say goodbye, and do what you have to do financially. It's time to start preparing for that.

especially when you are talking about corners in their 30's.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It's not about replacing Newman 1 to 1. It's about putting ourselves in a position where resigning him is a luxury, not a necessity. I love him as much as the next guy, but if there was a choice between him and our other stars, the other guys win out almost all the time.

Sometimes, you don't have any choice but to say goodbye, and do what you have to do financially. It's time to start preparing for that.

Which other star(s), though? I can see Ware. But Ware's about the only player we have who is better than him.

If we had a talented young corner starting on the other side, I could see it more. But Henry is older than Newman and not as good. I can't see letting our best corner go and basically starting from scratch when the position isn't strong to begin with.

I agree that you have to make hard decisions sometimes, but I'd have done that with Flo, personally. If we can extend a 33-year old LT who's not exactly nimble to begin with, I think we can extend a 30-year old corner who shows no signs of slowing down.

 

[superpunk]

Which other star(s), though? I can see Ware. But Ware's about the only player we have who is better than him.

If we had a talented young corner starting on the other side, I could see it more. But Henry is older than Newman and not as good. I can't see letting our best corner go and basically starting from scratch when the position isn't strong to begin with.

I agree that you have to make hard decisions sometimes, but I'd have done that with Flo, personally. If we can extend a 33-year old LT who's not exactly nimble to begin with, I think we can extend a 30-year old corner who shows no signs of slowing down.

TO might need more money soon. Ware is going to need a new deal. So is Canty. So is Barber. Everyone on that list except for Canty is more critical to our success than Newman, imo. Newman's great at what he does, one of the best - but that's negated by just throwing away from him.

If we can extend Newman with a similar deal to Flo's, stay away from Clements and Samuel guaranteed money, resign our other players and stock the CB cupboard with big time talent this year, obviously that's ideal. It just seems unlikely.

I'm not advocating parting ways with Newman. I'm just saying we should SERIOUSLY start preparing for that to happen.

 

[L-O-Jete]

TO might need more money soon. Ware is going to need a new deal. So is Canty. So is Barber. Everyone on that list except for Canty is more critical to our success than Newman, imo. Newman's great at what he does, one of the best - but that's negated by just throwing away from him.

If we can extend Newman with a similar deal to Flo's, stay away from Clements and Samuel guaranteed money, resign our other players and stock the CB cupboard with big time talent this year, obviously that's ideal. It just seems unlikely.

I'm not advocating parting ways with Newman. I'm just saying we should SERIOUSLY start preparing for that to happen.

If we pick a RB high, I wouldn't be surprised to se MB3 let go next year, I wouldn't like it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Wow.

No way in Hades would I lose Newman to pay T.O. a bunch of money. Talk about paying older players.

And I don't think Barber is going to be all that going forward. I wouldn't give him a mint, either.

To each his own, I guess.

But it's kind of funny that the same team and coach lauded for drafting Sheppard and Brown to replace their older corners just found it necessary to give a ton of money to a free agent at the exact same position, eh?

 

[superpunk]

Wow.

No way in Hades would I lose Newman to pay T.O. a bunch of money. Talk about paying older players.

And I don't think Barber is going to be all that going forward. I wouldn't give him a mint, either.

To each his own, I guess.

But it's kind of funny that the same team and coach lauded for drafting Sheppard and Brown to replace their older corners just found it necessary to give a ton of money to a free agent at the exact same position, eh?

The Eagles are retards. Noone lauds them. But that particular move worked pretty well.

It's all about who is more important to our success, not who I like more as a person. When it comes to importance, we kicked *** and took names without Newman in the lineup last season.

We got rolled without TO, and without TO healthy. When it comes to what they do for our team, TO's value is way higher than Newman's. Tough to swallow if you don't like him, but that's the truth of the matter.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I guess so... We gave up 35 to the Giants at home and 20 to the awful Dolphins without Newman, and we beat the Panthers and lost to the Skins (in a game we obviously didn't even try to win) without T.O.

It's not about personal dislike, either. If T.O. were 26, I might agree with you. But he's, what, three years older than Newman?

Hmm. Guess we disagree, but I'll take a top corner over a top WR every time, especially when the WR is already older.

 

[superpunk]

We played more games than that without Newman, in a brand new defensive system, and then with Newman hobbled and only playing part time until nearly midseason. We dealt with Henry being gone, too.

Corner is becoming a vastly overrated position. Their impact on the game is not great to start with, and has become further marginalized by pass happy rules. When was the last time you saw a corner make a big difference in a team's defensive performance? Champ can't. Asomugha comes close, but there are too many other ways to attack his team.

They're just not that important. not as important as a pass rusher or elite WR, not now. If we had gone into the offseason having to choose between going into next season with TO or Newman, because we couldn't afford both?

You've got to go TO. Every time.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Corner is becoming a vastly overrated position. Their impact on the game is not great to start with, and has become further marginalized by pass happy rules. When was the last time you saw a corner make a big difference in a team's defensive performance? Champ can't. Asomugha comes close, but there are too many other ways to attack his team.

Newman came back for the Chicago game, the third game of the year.

LOL at corners not having a great impact on the game. If that's so, then why is the franchise number for them so high? Why did a smart team like the Eagles just give one a ton of money? Why did the Pats franchise Samuel last year?

Are all these teams and GMs just dumb?

I've still never seen a great WR win championships for their team, with possibly Jerry Rice and Irvin being the only exceptions.

I think it's all moot because I bet we find a way to keep both anyway.

 

[superpunk]

Newman came back for the Chicago game, the third game of the year.

LOL at corners not having a great impact on the game. If that's so, then why is the franchise number for them so high? Why did a smart team like the Eagles just give one a ton of money? Why did the Pats franchise Samuel last year?

Are all these teams and GMs just dumb?

I've still never seen a great WR win championships for their team, with possibly Jerry Rice and Irvin being the only exceptions.

I think it's all moot because I bet we find a way to keep both anyway.

Pretty tough to name the corners from the 06 Colts, 07 Giants, 05 Steelers, and on and on, or make a case for their importance to those super bowl teams.

Market value is a poor way to judge impact. That should be obvious. There is a shortage of good corners - that's a supply and demand thing, not an appropriate measure of that position's impact on his team.

I'd love to keep everyone. I suspect we CAN make it happen. I just really advocate putting ourselves in a position where we don't HAVE TO make it happen. If someone has to go, I think it's going to be Newman, unless we dream up a replacement for TO.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

what about LT?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Market value is a poor way to judge impact. That should be obvious. There is a shortage of good corners - that's a supply and demand thing, not an appropriate measure of that position's impact on his team.

Umm... Okay.

 

[superpunk]

what about LT?

I can't even begin to imagine what this means.

Umm... Okay.

Think about it. You know it's right. It's why RBs make such a huge impact, but are compensated worse than other positions - there's more good ones to go around. That doesn't mean they're less important than a CB - they're just in less demand.

 

[TEUFELI]

drafting highly rated corners = good idea.

drafting multiple later round corners hoping to hit on a few = bad idea.

as i recall the eagles took two corners in the 2nd round awhile back and it seemed to work out for them.

Winner.

The hope you hit on a late rd corner NEVER works. We have been doing this for a while, with 6th and 7th rders, UFA's, heck, even throw Pat watkins in there. We need early draft DB talent. Hate to state the obvious, but there is a reason why some players get drafted higher than others