Draw your own parallels

[5Stars]

This describes me exactly.. heck,I still have his jersey up in my office. He could certainly use a better team around him but he is part of the problem there too. It's easy to see when he was EASILY the weakest link in the BIGGEST game of our season against the Commanders. No, he didn't just make one mistake at the end, he threw 3 bad interceptions that were ALL his fault and he was off all night. When the pressure is at it's highest, Tony's brain shuts down.

The only difference between Tony and some of the elite QB's are how they use their brains. Tony is super talented and athletic but he doesn't use his brain half the time. Take a guy like Rodgers, he will let you sack him over and over.. his main goal is to protect the football and score when he can. But the whole time he is just waiting for you to screw up so he can burn you, and then he does. He is extremely patient. His offensive line has been just as bad if not worse than ours yet he still puts up huge numbers and rarely turns the ball over. Who is their running back? Alex Green? So Rodgers has a crap Oline and a crap running back and yet he still finds a way to produce at an elite level.

Yeah, right! And the sky is green and pigs can fly!!

 

[NEODOG]

I use to be a HUGE Romo fan, now I see him for what he is, a good QB that has put up huge numbers, but is equally proned to giving away games due to his boneheaded mistakes during crunch time. I jumped off his boat a while back, athough I still wish him success, not only for the Cowboys, but him as an individual, I have very little hope he will take us to a SB (insert but he diesnt have any help excuse). Having said that, he is not our future and I wouldn't be too dissapointed if he left. Now, here comes the "be careful what you wish for crowd".....

1st mate reporting sir

 

[lwehlers]

I use to be a HUGE Romo fan, now I see him for what he is, a good QB that has put up huge numbers, but is equally proned to giving away games due to his boneheaded mistakes during crunch time. I jumped off his boat a while back, athough I still wish him success, not only for the Cowboys, but him as an individual, I have very little hope he will take us to a SB (insert but he diesnt have any help excuse). Having said that, he is not our future and I wouldn't be too dissapointed if he left. Now, here comes the "be careful what you wish for crowd".....

i also have the same feelings toward romo now. romo has been the starter for seven years now and still we have only one playoff win. i know he needs more help but some of the loses we have had are a result of him trying to do too much and not being smart with the ball. romo also has won some pretty games in the fourth but still he is responsibe for some of the turnovers that has killed this team. i hope for the best in the future for him and cowboys but still think it is time to look to the future. i really do not want jones to give him a five year deal maybe two more and thats it.

 

[SWG9]

The PIT game in 2008 and the WAS game this season are the first two games I think of when I think of games he outright blew. Honorable mention for the BUF game where he had 5 picks and tried his damnedest but we won anyway.

That said, the same, and more, can be said about any QB with enough starts. Tony's a very, very good player, and his 'chokes' are massively overblown where the issue for a long time has mostly been a defense that can't take the ball away or come up with a stop when they have to have one.

Yet they got off the field in Washington and Romo still threw a game ending pick.

I agree that he's a very, very good player, but if he needs a great defence, good receivers, a solid OL, and good running game to be successful, I can't call him elite.

Unfortunately, the organization seems to have valued him that way, and they appear to be set to pay him that way.

IMO, Jerry Jones gets very few things right, but he did get something (partially) right when he claimed that Romo's skill set should be able to mask shortcomings elsewhere. Truth is, if you've valued Romo as one of the elite players in the game, and you're going to make Romo one of the highest paid players in the game, he has to be able to win with weaknesses elsewhere. It's just simple math in the salary cap era. There are no more all star teams.

Rodgers and Rothlisberger have had to live with a weaker OL. Manning had to live with a substandard defence for years in Indy. For the most part, the Saints have had a poor defence in the Brees era. etc., etc.

This team is always going to have a handicap somewhere. No two ways about it. Romo is going to have to consistently overcome that if we're ever going to win another Superbowl with this core.

My two cents.

 

[DFWJC]

Yet they got off the field in Washington and Romo still threw a game ending pick.
.

Sequence before the end of the game.

Romo throws TD pass to Otree
Romo throws 2 pt conversion to Harris
Defense holds
Romo throws completion for 1st down to Witten
Romo throws pick...uh, to Washington
Defense gives up game-ending TD drive

It's a team game.

 

[5Stars]

Sequence before the end of the game.

Romo throws TD pass
Romo throws 2 pt conversion
Defense holds
Romo throws pick
Defense gives up game-ending TD drive

It's a team game.

Oh SNAP.....!

:laugh2:


They won't understand....

 

[SWG9]

Sequence before the end of the game.

Romo throws TD pass to Otree
Romo throws 2 pt conversion to Harris
Defense holds
Romo throws completion for 1st down to Witten
Romo throws pick...uh, to Washington
Defense gives up long, game-ending TD drive

It's a team game.

I knew that if we gave it enough time, fans would eventually start rationalizing that Washington loss.

All season long I was told that we lost against the Giants in 2011 because we had a terrible secondary that couldn't get off the field.

We spent 50 million and 1st and 2nd round picks upgrading that secondary and it got off the field against Washington.

We're primed for a game winning drive.

Romo's second pass attempt gets picked on our own 25 yard line with 3:00 left in the game. We didn't give up a long game ending drive, our just QB killed us.

Period.

 

[DFWJC]

I knew that if we gave it enough time, fans would eventually start rationalizing that Washington loss.

All season long I was told that we lost against the Giants in 2011 because we had a terrible secondary that couldn't get off the field.

We spent 50 million and 1st and 2nd round picks upgrading that secondary and it got off the field against Washington.

We're primed for a game winning drive.

Romo's second pass attempt gets picked on our own 25 yard line with 3:00 left in the game. We didn't give up a long game ending drive, our just QB killed us.

Period.

yeah, you're right about the "long" part. I removed it right away, but not before you got to it.

The rest was just a factual sequence of events of what happened at the end of the game.

It's NOT forgiving Romo for not taking the sack or throwing it out of bounds, it was just laying out what happened.


If you think he should have been able to guide the team 80 yards on the road, with no blocking, no Dez, no Austin, no Harris....I do understand.
Just saying it's easy for us to say that sitting at home in front of a TV.

 

[nalam]

But that statement does not absolve the last pick he threw. He sometimes presses to the point he needs to calm down. That has been a problem for him throughout his career.

Doesn't take away from his skills.

But it also doesn't make him the Superman some here like to proffer.

I don't even have a problem with his third pick, it was a good anticipation and play from LB, though it floated a little. Hint : play-calling and OL protection, But my problem is that the decider kind of game (after game) he find a way to stink on that day , if those earlier picks haven't happened and we got points the game would have turned .

That is the main issue , I have is he going to be the iron man when situation demands control and leadership?

 

[Szczepanik]

Jets 2011
Pats 2011 - these two games were mirror images of the same interception.
Detroit 2011 - Yes, that is Bobby carpenter in front of your receiver - same as Pitt and jets. Hey there is Bobby Carpenter in front of your receiver again.
Pittsburgh 2007
Washington 2012 and don't tell me about a good play by the defense since Romo could not see the receiver from where he stood. He tossed the ball into traffic without any verification. I do watch the games and I'm sorry you disagree, but you are flat wrong about his getting amped up and making mistakes

Romo rolls to the right and he loses the defenders for some reason. Lots of good plays but some real stinkers as well. Because he ignored the defender.

You are just like every other Romo fan that wears his underoos. You set the criteria for what is a gaff on his part, then take them away with your excuses.

Pats 2011, the defense could not hold the Pats from scoring.
Detroit = Newman and Ball could not cover Megatron. Multiple times.. Don't remember Romo putting us in that huge lead?

Washington 2012= Bad play at the end by Romo, but I can name many other plays where players around him failed.

I can name plenty and plenty of games where Romo is the reason we won.

 

[Szczepanik]

I knew that if we gave it enough time, fans would eventually start rationalizing that Washington loss.

All season long I was told that we lost against the Giants in 2011 because we had a terrible secondary that couldn't get off the field.

We spent 50 million and 1st and 2nd round picks upgrading that secondary and it got off the field against Washington.

We're primed for a game winning drive.

Romo's second pass attempt gets picked on our own 25 yard line with 3:00 left in the game. We didn't give up a long game ending drive, our just QB killed us.

Period.

You do realize that the ONLY reason we are used to expecting Romo to drive down the field every single time is because he has had major success in doing that over the years... right?

 

[jobberone]

I think Tony is an elite QB with some unique skills. However, Tony has to own his Tony moments. Not all the TOs are on him but some are as in all QBs. There is nothing wrong with holding Tony accountable for the end of the Washington game. He takes us down and scores and he's got the monkey off his back. You do need to take into acct his supporting staff if you're going to be critical there though.

It's not a black and white issue at all.

 

[Idgit]

Yet they got off the field in Washington and Romo still threw a game ending pick.

I agree that he's a very, very good player, but if he needs a great defence, good receivers, a solid OL, and good running game to be successful, I can't call him elite.

Unfortunately, the organization seems to have valued him that way, and they appear to be set to pay him that way.

IMO, Jerry Jones gets very few things right, but he did get something (partially) right when he claimed that Romo's skill set should be able to mask shortcomings elsewhere. Truth is, if you've valued Romo as one of the elite players in the game, and you're going to make Romo one of the highest paid players in the game, he has to be able to win with weaknesses elsewhere. It's just simple math in the salary cap era. There are no more all star teams.

Rodgers and Rothlisberger have had to live with a weaker OL. Manning had to live with a substandard defence for years in Indy. For the most part, the Saints have had a poor defence in the Brees era. etc., etc.

This team is always going to have a handicap somewhere. No two ways about it. Romo is going to have to consistently overcome that if we're ever going to win another Superbowl with this core.

My two cents.

I don't usually make the argument that Romo needs a great defense and a great OL and a great running game to win, because I don't believe it.

He needs more consistent play from some of these position groups, though. We don't need 5 premium linemen, but we do need 8 guys in that unit who can play consistently at an NFL level. If Livings is hurt, for example, there needs to be somebody who can step up. Murray going down can't cripple your running game.

Defensively, we just need more takeaways.

We've got really good personnel in most places in the starting lineup, and have had for years. The problem has been that we've had a few significant holes, and then that we just lack depth overall. You end up with one or two guys getting beat here or there, and it adds up and conspires to get you to lose close games.

Last year was the deepest Cowboys team going into the season that I can remember since 2007. What happened? Multiple sustained injuries at C, ILB, S and you're back covering up holes with players who aren't starting-grade, and you get exposed by better teams. Tony's good enough to cover some of that up, but not all of it.

 

[theebs]

I think Tony is an elite QB with some unique skills. However, Tony has to own his Tony moments. Not all the TOs are on him but some are as in all QBs. There is nothing wrong with holding Tony accountable for the end of the Washington game. He takes us down and scores and he's got the monkey off his back. You do need to take into acct his supporting staff if you're going to be critical there though.

It's not a black and white issue at all.

what monkey on his back?

is this your first year watching football?

 

[Gameover]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...fense-run-game-led-to-brees-troubles-in-2012/

Drew Brees threw 19 INTs in 2012. The Saints went 7-9.

Here's Sean Payton on Brees' 2012 season:

"When you tell me a team is last in the league in defense and last in the running game (25th in yards per game), I'm telling you the quarterback's job description is entirely different," Payton said. "I'm telling you he's having to play and press and try to do certain things that his counterpart may not have to do based on the way that team is running the ball or playing defense. That's the first thing that I saw. You get one-dimensional, you find yourself in these games where you're not controlling the game."


If you know football, this quote will do nothing for you.

But there's a ton of posters here that should study this quote like it's the Bible.

How does this explain the Jets and Lions games in 2011?The Cowboys were in control of those games.

How does this quote explain Romo throwing to a triple covered Bennett in a tie ballgame against the Titans in 2010?