DRC Draft Challenge

[TheCount]

A lot of people keep saying there's no way Rogers-Cromartie is there with our 22nd pick.

Well here's the challenge. Mock the first 21 draft choices, so we can all see not just who you have him going to, but in what position and why.

Anyone up for it?

 

[TVMan]

You don't think the Eagles would be glad to draft him before we can?

 

[Goldenrichards83]

You don't think the Eagles would be glad to draft him before we can?

Or Detroit

 

[theogt]

There could easily be 4 corners taken before we pick. Check out the new mock at NFLDraftCountdown.

 

[TheCount]

There could easily be 4 corners taken before we pick. Check out the new mock at NFLDraftCountdown.

I'm sure it's possible 4 cb's could be taken, but that's not the same as saying there is no chance he's there at 22.

I like Scotts stuff, but he's wrong more than he's right when it comes to mocks, not that most people aren't. He has us taking Felix Jones and Mario Manningham in the first (the same as his last mock) despite both players hurting their stock at the combine, Mario isn't even considered a 1st round talent at this point.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/archive/2007/mock.html

That's his final mock from last year, how many of those players in the first round actually ended up where he thought they would? Just one, JaMarcus Russel. Not exactly stellar for a supposed expert.

You don't think the Eagles would be glad to draft him before we can?

The same team that traded us their first so we could get a player to sack their QB? I don't think they're concerned about taking someone so we don't get him, no.

They have other needs anyway, and depite this "Sheldon Brown will be traded." talk, he'll still be there next year. They need a play making WR more than they need a CB right now.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Lions, Eagles, Patriots, Bengals, Saints are all teams I could see taking CBs before we pick.

Not saying that they all will, or that any of them will, but I could see them doing it.

 

[TheCount]

Lions, Eagles, Patriots, Bengals, Saints are all teams I could see taking CBs before we pick.

Not saying that they all will, or that any of them will, but I could see them doing it.

Bengals just got Leon Hall and need more help at LB than any other spot on their roster.

Lions need a whole lot of help, sure at CB, but probably more on the OL.

Pats will be drooling over Gholston if he falls to them, hell, they may make a move to make sure they get him. He's definitely a Bellichek kind of guy. I'd probably rather move up for him than McFadden, I think Gholston will win DROY.

Saints certainly might take a CB, can't argue that. Chances are very high that's exactly what they do.

Eagles might take a CB, but I think they need a WR or DL help more.

My point isn't that I know for sure, or any more than you guys, but all those teams have other needs. They are in no way locked into taking a CB, except the Saints since Jason David is an embarrassment and McKenzie is getting old and just blew out his knee.

If they take DRC though, I'll be pissed. That'll be two years in a row they took guys I liked for us.

 

[cobra]

TheCount has a point.

People make these asinine comments all the time. "No way X will be there." Then they say that about 30 other people, all of them who won't make it to us.

Of course it is possible he won't be there. Of course there are other teams who might be interested in him.

But when you sit down and make a mock draft, you can't put more than 21 guys ahead of pick #22. And when you start looking at it, it is entirely possible he will be there.

There are probably 2-3 CBs picked before him. And by 22, it will be a little odd for the 4th CB to already be gone.

So if you think DRC is for sure not going to be there, I'd love to see who you think is going to go before us.

 

[Stash]

Sure, a lot of the draft has yet to be determined, based on what happens Thursday night at 11:00.

There's a rumor that the Saints already have a deal in place for Asante Samuel. If that happens, they probably don't use their #1 on another cornerback.

And one team doing the unexpected can derail anyone's mock.

How many people said the Cowboys had no chance at Steven Jackson a few years ago? Or Brady Quinn for that matter?

There's always a chance.

 

[jterrell]

DRC ranks a top 3 CB now almost assuredly.

He will VERY likely be gone by 22.

I hope he isn't but alas I hoped Adrian Peterson would drop to us as well and we see what that got me.

DRC is about as good a pure prospect as you will see. Someone will nab him early on. He has a ton of potential. He has great bloodlines and a mentor in Deion.

He might have made round 2 at one point but the Senior Bowl and combine have assured he does mid round 1 now at the latest.

Doing a mock is silly because bottom line is this guy ranks ahead of most everyone on every mock past 15.

 

[cobra]

DRC ranks a top 3 CB now almost assuredly.

He will VERY likely be gone by 22.

is this guy ranks ahead of most everyone on every mock past 15.

Does he?

This can't possibly be correct.

He does not rank ahead of:

Long
Long
Ryan
Dorsey
Gholston
Ellis
McFadden
Merling
Mendenhall
Harvey
Williams
Otah
Clady
Rivers

There are 14 guys who will go ahead of him--without counting any other CBs. And that's assuming only 1 QB will. And no WRs.

I'm pretty sure there will be at least 1 WR going ahead of him. That pushes him below 15 people, not counting CBs.

McKelvin goes ahead of him. So does Jenkins probably. Talib might ahead of him too. Someone with a need at safety might take Kenny Phillips or Reggie Smith ahead him. Does DRC rank ahead of Stewart? I don't know, and it depends on a team's need, but I think not.

Teams have different needs, and it is no where close to a certainty DRC will be gone by 20, especially given the fact that he still is a small school guy. That is going to deflate him some.

 

[Woods]

Does he?

This can't possibly be correct.

He does not rank ahead of:

Long
Long
Ryan
Dorsey
Gholston
Ellis
McFadden
Merling
Mendenhall
Harvey
Williams
Otah
Clady
Rivers

There are 14 guys who will go ahead of him--without counting any other CBs. And that's assuming only 1 QB will. And no WRs.

I'm pretty sure there will be at least 1 WR going ahead of him. That pushes him below 15 people, not counting CBs.

McKelvin goes ahead of him. So does Jenkins probably. Talib might ahead of him too. Someone with a need at safety might take Kenny Phillips or Reggie Smith ahead him. Does DRC rank ahead of Stewart? I don't know, and it depends on a team's need, but I think not.

Teams have different needs, and it is no where close to a certainty DRC will be gone by 20, especially given the fact that he still is a small school guy. That is going to deflate him some.

I'm not sure Merling, Otah, or Williams go ahead of Cromartie.

I hope Cromartie is there at 22, but my guess is that he will go between 10 - 20.

 

[jdnoyes]

Ok, I'll take your challenge. Now I'm not one of those folks who will say that there is NO WAY he will make it to 22, but I do think he is most likely out of reach for us now. Since nobody has actually provided a mock to back up their thoughts I will. The problem is that CB is such a need position for pretty much every NFL team these days. I even made him the 3rd corner off the board, when he may have very well passed one or both of the other two guys up. Its not like other positions where you can have to many. People with the upside of Cromartie at that position just don't hang around long. I admit that I haven't done a ton of draft prep with 2 months still to go, so my mock is still in its pretty early stages but here it is.

Miami Chris Long-DE-Virginia
St Louis Jake Long-OT-Michigan
Atlanta Matt Ryan-QB-Boston College
Oakland Darren McFadden-RB-Arkansas
Kansas City Ryan Clady-OT-Boise State
NYJ Glenn Dorsey-DT-LSU
New England Vernon Gholston-DE-Ohio St.
Baltimore Leodis McKelvin-CB-Troy
Cincinnati Cedrick Ellis-DT-USC
New Orleans Keith Rivers-OLB-USC
Buffalo Malcom Kelly-WR-Oklahoma
Denver Derrick Harvey-DE-Florida
Carolina Jonathan Stewart-RB-Oregon
Chicago Rashard Mendenhall-RB-Illinois
Detroit Mike Jenkins-CB-South Florida
Arizona Dominique R. Cromartie-CB-Tenn. St.
Minnesota Limas Sweed-WR-Texas
Houston Chris Williams-OT-Vanderbilt
Philadelphia Kenny Phillips-S-Miami
Tampa Bay Kentwan Balmer-DT-North Carolina
Washington Jeff Otah-OT-Pittsburgh
Dallas Aqib Talib-CB-Kansas- Not a big fan, but he's probably the best left at the need position.
Pittsburgh Branden Albert-G-Virginia
Tennessee James Hardy-WR-Indiana
Seattle Fred Davis-TE-USC
Jacksonville Phillip Merling-DE-Clemson
San Diego Gosder Cherilus-OT-Boston College
Dallas Felix Jones-RB-Arkansas- Also not a big fan, and would actually rather trade down or take Ray Rice at this point...but probably a good bet that Jerry would do it if we can't move down.
San Francisco DeSean Jackson-WR-Cal
Green Bay Quinten Groves-OLB-Arkansas
NYG Dan Conner-ILB-Penn State

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Ok, I'll take your challenge. Now I'm not one of those folks who will say that there is NO WAY he will make it to 22, but I do think he is most likely out of reach for us now. Since nobody has actually provided a mock to back up their thoughts I will. The problem is that CB is such a need position for pretty much every NFL team these days. Its not like other positions where you can have to many. People with the upside of Cromartie at that position just don't hang around long. I admit that I haven't done a ton of draft prep with 2 months still to go, so my mock is still in its pretty early stages but here it is.

Miami Chris Long-DE-Virginia
St Louis Jake Long-OT-Michigan
Atlanta Matt Ryan-QB-Boston College
Oakland Darren McFadden-RB-Arkansas
Kansas City Ryan Clady-OT-Boise State
NYJ Glenn Dorsey-DT-LSU
New England Vernon Gholston-DE-Ohio St.
Baltimore Leodis McKelvin-CB-Troy
Cincinnati Cedrick Ellis-DT-USC
New Orleans Keith Rivers-OLB-USC
Buffalo Malcom Kelly-WR-Oklahoma
Denver Derrick Harvey-DE-Florida
Carolina Jonathan Stewart-RB-Oregon
Chicago Rashard Mendenhall-RB-Illinois
Detroit Mike Jenkins-CB-South Florida
Arizona Dominique R. Cromartie-CB-Tenn. St.
Minnesota Limas Sweed-WR-Texas
Houston Chris Williams-OT-Vanderbilt
Philadelphia Kenny Phillips-S-Miami
Tampa Bay Kentwan Balmer-DT-North Carolina
Washington Jeff Otah-OT-Pittsburgh
Dallas Aqib Talib-CB-Kansas- Not a big fan, but he's probably the best left at the need position.
Pittsburgh Branden Albert-G-Virginia
Tennessee James Hardy-WR-Indiana
Seattle Fred Davis-TE-USC
Jacksonville Phillip Merling-DE-Clemson
San Diego Gosder Cherilus-OT-Boston College
Dallas Felix Jones-RB-Arkansas- Also not a big fan, and would actually rather trade down or take Ray Rice at this point...but probably a good bet that Jerry would do it if we can't move down.
San Francisco DeSean Jackson-WR-Cal
Green Bay Quinten Groves-OLB-Arkansas
NYG Dan Conner-ILB-Penn State

it looks like you ripped this from nfldraftscout and then changed around picks so the cowboys would have the picks you wanted us to have

 

[jdnoyes]

it looks like you ripped this from nfldraftscout and then changed around picks so the cowboys would have the picks you wanted us to have

I didn't read nfldraftscouts mock, and I the guys I have the cowboys picking aren't the guys I like as I said in my comments.

Edit: In fact, looking at nfldraftscout and don't even see a mock, at least not one that non members can see.

 

[jterrell]

Does he?

This can't possibly be correct.

He does not rank ahead of:

Long
Long
Ryan
Dorsey
Gholston
Ellis
McFadden
Merling
Mendenhall
Harvey
Williams
Otah
Clady
Rivers

There are 14 guys who will go ahead of him--without counting any other CBs. And that's assuming only 1 QB will. And no WRs.

I'm pretty sure there will be at least 1 WR going ahead of him. That pushes him below 15 people, not counting CBs.

McKelvin goes ahead of him. So does Jenkins probably. Talib might ahead of him too. Someone with a need at safety might take Kenny Phillips or Reggie Smith ahead him. Does DRC rank ahead of Stewart? I don't know, and it depends on a team's need, but I think not.

Teams have different needs, and it is no where close to a certainty DRC will be gone by 20, especially given the fact that he still is a small school guy. That is going to deflate him some.

A lot of those guys are not better prospects than DRC.
McKelvin certainly isn't.

When you ask a scout to describe the picture perfect CB DRC is equal to the mold. They want them fast, with explosion, an ability and willingness to play the ball. The only thing he hasn't done is show he is a physical tackler.

Wait and see what happens at the draft but I'll gladly bet you no more than 10 of these guys come off the board before DRC.

In fact if DRC had been a big school standout, he'd likely be considered strongly for the first overall slot. In his one big school competition game he was the best player on the field. Sedrick Ellis might have been the 2nd best. McKelvin went home with an injury prior to the game.

 

[rguido]

Well since everyone says we are selling the farm for mcfadden, the question is will he be there for our second round pic, and i dont think he will drop that far...

 

[TheCount]

A lot of those guys are not better prospects than DRC.
McKelvin certainly isn't.

He certainly could be. If you want to buy the hype hook line and sinker like a lot of people have bought the Chris Johnson hype, that's fine. But let's not pretend Cromartie is the best CB to come out in the last 20 years or something. That's a little ridiculous.

Well since everyone says we are selling the farm for mcfadden, the question is will he be there for our second round pic, and i dont think he will drop that far...

Dude, you need to learn in post in the same font and color as everyone else.

And not everyone is saying we're selling the farm for McFadden.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I also am afraid he could be GONE

 

[ajk23az]

I'm sure it's possible 4 cb's could be taken, but that's not the same as saying there is no chance he's there at 22.

I like Scotts stuff, but he's wrong more than he's right when it comes to mocks, not that most people aren't. He has us taking Felix Jones and Mario Manningham in the first (the same as his last mock) despite both players hurting their stock at the combine, Mario isn't even considered a 1st round talent at this point.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/archive/2007/mock.html

That's his final mock from last year, how many of those players in the first round actually ended up where he thought they would? Just one, JaMarcus Russel. Not exactly stellar for a supposed expert.



The same team that traded us their first so we could get a player to sack their QB? I don't think they're concerned about taking someone so we don't get him, no.

They have other needs anyway, and depite this "Sheldon Brown will be traded." talk, he'll still be there next year. They need a play making WR more than they need a CB right now.

Actually he got 4 right in the first round.

Meriweather to the Pats
Nelson the the Jags
Peterson to the Vikes
Russell to the Raiders