Duke Johnson Requests Trade

[DandyDon52]

philly needs duke, so why not take him just to keep him away from phil? that could mean 2 wins against them.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Ty Montgomery seems like the more realistic choice.

Plus he lives here.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Exactly, and how many times have we seen experienced players ousted in favour of a rookie? I think Darrell Henderson has this far shown me that he's a better option from what I have seen.

That guy is going to go in the 3rd round and will be a steal.

 

[OmerV]

That's fair about the difference. However, the links in my post below that shows that their combine results are also strikingly similar. I understand that Duke wins on the pro-vs-college debate. I also conceded that part of the reason that Darrell Henderson isn't as well known is because he went to Memphis. In fairness, that's not the same as the talent that Duke would have played in college. However, what Darrell Henderson has shown at college tells me that he looks more than capable of such a role as what we want from Duke. Plus, the contract cost (which I think we know by now our FO values) gives that edge to Darrell. So, here's how I lay it out.

Experience: advantage Duke
Contract: advantage Darrell
Combine results: I give Darrell the advantage with the number comparisons shown in the links. The only areas Duke beats him at is the high jump and the shuttle. Darrell didn't perform the shuttle at the combine. However, overall, advantage Darrell.
Size: advantage Duke

Please feel free to add in more as you see fit. I think it's remarkable how similar they appear to be. My thinking is that, while Duke's got the experience advantage, I think Darrell has the advantage that Jerry likes. I think Darrell also will have the advantage of flying under the radar because of how little is known about him. I think this will be an interesting debate for us.

For now Duke has to win on the talent side simply because he is proven at the NFL level. Combine results are a a tool for evaluating, but nothing beats actual proof. Some of the best combine performers never live up to their combine results, and even high first round picks don’t always work out.

That said, cost is a real factor, and draft picks are an important way to replenish talent and keep costs manageable. And who knows, in a few years ... after their is proof on Henderson ... we may find he is the better player.

 

[Kage]

That guy is going to go in the 3rd round and will be a steal.

I'm reading he has jumped up the draft boards and is now projected to be possibly late round 1, or most likely round 2.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

For now Duke has to win on the talent side simply because he is proven at the NFL level. Combine results are a a tool for evaluating, but nothing beats actual proof. Some of the best combine performers never live up to their combine results, and even high first round picks don’t always work out.

That said, cost is a real factor, and draft picks are an important way to replenish talent and keep costs manageable. And who knows, in a few years ... after their is proof on Henderson ... we may find he is the better player.

Fair about the combine. There have indeed been many players who had an excellent combine that completely flamed out. The cost of Henderson compared to Duke is probably the big advantage that Darrell has.

 

[iceberg]

The link says the Jets are among the teams interested, but that was probably before they signed Le'Veon Bell.

I'd like the Cowboys to get a pass catching third down back to relieve some burden on Zeke. But there's still free agents out there like T.J. Yeldon and Ty Montgomery that they can just sign and not have to give up anything via trade.

isn't that tavon austin?

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Pipe dream. No way we are paying $3m+ per year for a backup RB when we can pay a rookie $400k. We don’t value 3rd down backs because we want Zeke on the field. Best pass protecting RB in the league and a very good receiver. That is why we will draft a 3 down backup RB in the 4-5 round.

 

[silvrNblue]

In before someone says our staff won’t be able to figure out how to use him.

ROFL... TO late Idgit.... some poster beat ya to the draw..

 

[Future]

Ty Montgomery seems like the more realistic choice.

People keep saying this

But Montgomery sucks. Duke is actually, you know, really good.

 

[Future]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/duke-johnson?id=2552461

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/darrell-henderson?id=32194845-4e05-4456-6f99-3e76d883b110

As we can see here, both Duke and Darrell are quite similar. Darrell's combine measurements have him 2 pounds lighter than Duke, and 1 inch shorter than Duke. However, side by side, they both match up strikingly similarly. In the case of CBS, Darrell is labeled as a "home run sleeper" (https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/ww...r-running-back-prospect-you-need-to-know/amp/). If you watch YouTube videos on him, it's not hard to see why. He's not a big name in the draft, and that may have something to do with him being at Memphis. That's where we will have the advantage in taking him. Oh, and he'll cost much less than Duke.

It doesn't matter if a rookie is a better runner than Duke. Duke can pass protect and consistently catch the ball out of the backfield. Don't know whether or not a rookie can do that.

Having said that, I'd have no problem getting Duke AND drafting a workhorse type RB. This team is seriously screwed right now if Zeke goes down.

 

[cern]

owners better get a handle on players not honoring their contracts and calling their own shots. and soon.

 

[Stash]

Hopefully, they wouldn’t have to use Zeke so much if they was able to trade for Duke. As it stands, there is not the first RB on the roster that could provide good play to give Zeke a rest.

I agree, and I think that grind will ultimately shorten his career. And it's part of the reason why I'm currently against signing Zeke to a big money, long term extension. They're running him into the ground because the offense can't function if he's not on the field. The whole thing falls apart. A single point of failure.

That's why I hope this team is continuing to look into the possibility of trading for a proven commodity in Duke Johnson, or at least signing a capable backup option like TJ Yeldon or Ty Montgomery. Or drafting one in say the fourth round or later.

However they do it, backup running back sorely needs improvement.

One thing I love about Johnson in particular however is his ability as a slot receiver. That gives you one more weapon and option in that role and increases your flexibility as an offense.

 

[Redball Express]

What a weak mentality. Well the Jets probably won't be interested in anymore because they got a workhorse back but ours need a burden to be lifted.

Men, if any remain, have no interest in Duke Johnson. Sure, he can fill a role for a team but you do not bring in this type of player when you have Ezekiel Elliott. Unless you want to water down the best skill position player you have. Unless you don't want Emmitt Smith to be Emmitt Smith. Because you're afraid.

Burden this.

Teams without Zekes and Bells and Barkleys, they need Duke Johnsons. The Cowboys do not. It makes no damn sense to draft a guy 4th overall because you think he is special and then not treat him like he's special.

What the Cowboys need is a true backup. Someone to come in when called upon to handle the load when the elite starter is injured. Not someone like Duke who is only capable of filling a 3rd down role but at the expense of eliminating your best player in those key downs of the game.

Back when men were men none of this needed to be said. This wasn't in the thought process in the 1990's, when Emmitt was fortunately allowed to be Emmitt and we got to witness his greatness.

Zeke needs more diversity..

not less carries per se.

Bubble screens..

reverses..

half back passes..

Plays to get him in open spaces where he can use his quickness and power to beat somebody.

Constantly taking 3-4 hits every play is clearly going to result in problems for him.

He is our whole offense.

Moore needs to be more creative where ever possible with him.

 

[dallasdave]

Unsure the Cowboys would be willing to spend the amount that Johnson would command, although his contract is reasonable for his talent level.

Those 1st two years are very Reasonable. Dallas should try to get him. Sounds like he might be a Preston Pearson type RB.

 

[dallasdave]

I agree, and I think that grind will ultimately shorten his career. And it's part of the reason why I'm currently against signing Zeke to a big money, long term extension. They're running him into the ground because the offense can't function if he's not on the field. The whole thing falls apart. A single point of failure.

That's why I hope this team is continuing to look into the possibility of trading for a proven commodity in Duke Johnson, or at least signing a capable backup option like TJ Yeldon or Ty Montgomery. Or drafting one in say the fourth round or later.

However they do it, backup running back sorely needs improvement.

One thing I love about Johnson in particular however is his ability as a slot receiver. That gives you one more weapon and option in that role and increases your flexibility as an offense.

Dallas saw what a good backup -changeup RB could do for a team when they played the Rams in the Playoffs.

 

[reddyuta]

i would give a 5th for him,we are not going to draft a rb like him in the 5th rd anyway.

 

[ondaedg]

Our staff couldn’t figure out how to use him.

Maybe Kellen has better ideas than jason and scotty.

 

[DFWJC]

I think Duke Johnson wants more reps, not less.

 

[Stash]

Dallas saw what a good backup -changeup RB could do for a team when they played the Rams in the Playoffs.

All too well!