Duke Manyweather on Tyler Guyton

[big dog cowboy]

Tyler can't pass protection. It is what it is

Based on what? We knew he would struggle last year but he was good in college. Given a dull off season and significantly better coaching there is no reason to believe he won't be much better next fall.

 

[thunderpimp91]

That's Tuesday, today is Monday

time for margaritas!

 

[jrumann59]

At the college level he and his body seemed more in tune.
At the pro level on Sundays at LT he appeared as some just born animals do when they are first learning to walk. And understanding their legs underneath themselves.

His switch from the right to left side college to pro transition, along with all the feet, technique and maturity issues are not a good foundation.
Regardless if he checks all the boxes on a physical traits checklist.
Needs a massive leap to be an adequate LT.
I'm doubtful.

jmo

Yes I saw a lot of guy thinking about where his feet need to go instead of just putting them there which is why he was slow off the snap or his feet were never set when engaging as a blocker. He was rookie that was making a switch, yes he was a RT in college but he was a blind side RT for a left handed QB in college. Also i thought Solari sucked as an OL coach.

 

[reddyuta]

it is upto to him to improve but not sure if Cowboys already made up their mind,we will see in the draft.

 

[rags747]

He certainly had his missteps last year but I also saw a good deal of positives. Hopefully he will grind and meet the challenge.

 

[75boyz]

Yes I saw a lot of guy thinking about where his feet need to go instead of just putting them there which is why he was slow off the snap or his feet were never set when engaging as a blocker. He was rookie that was making a switch, yes he was a RT in college but he was a blind side RT for a left handed QB in college. Also i thought Solari sucked as an OL coach.

Im with ya brother but to a point.
For his feet and mind to marry up should be as natural as breathing at this stage in his craft.
Either he possesses the ability to go from a college RT to a pro LT or he doesn't.
A second year of still learning on the job as a blindside protector will get the QB killed.

The Cowboys needed a more plug n play ready prospect OR just put Tyler Smith at LT.
Solari did suck but I think this kid had fundamental balance issues similar to what the Giants are experiencing with their failed RT pick Evan Neal.
Both 6' 7" guys.
He may have just peaked in college.
Or at his best, a swing LT.
Most likely not a starter at left. Maybe a future Steele replacement at right.
Again, maybe.

jmo

 

[Jarntt]

That tweet from Duke is about the most meaningless, generic statement I've read this offseason. People take it and run with it because they want it to say something it doesn't...

 

[Cowboyny]

He's here now, way to early to pull the plug.

I agree, they used a 1st rd pick on him, it is up to them to develop the player.

 

[75boyz]

I agree, they used a 1st rd pick on him, it is up to them to develop the player.

The problem is you don't "continue developing" the blindside protector of your 60 mil per yr just returning from major injury QB.
He's either ready or he isnt.

 

[Reid1boys]

Never heard of the dude.

How much closer to the inside of the organization is he compared to everyone else with an opinion?

Duke used to work for the Cowboys. He was a jack of all trades kind of guy. If you ever listened to Fisher talking about Randy Gregory, Duke was the guy that was essentially Randy's babysitter. He left and is doing his own thing. But he lives in the Dallas area and is probably very piped in with Cowboys Olineman. I think Zack Martin was working out at Duke's place when he was holding out.

How much does he know about Guyton? No idea, but Im guessing he knows a little something if he is commenting.

 

[John813]

The problem is you don't "continue developing" the blindside protector of your 60 mil per yr just returning from major injury QB.
He's either ready or he isnt.

I don't get this FO at times.

Dak is your future as they were bent on keeping him. Pay him big bucks. Then they go cheap at LOT and don't really bother to want to keep Smith. Sure, he gets injured at least once a year, but he at least gives you a proper blindside guy when healthy and allows the young LT to actually compete for the 2nd most important position on offense.

Guyton may of been good off the bat, god awful or somewhere in between. They put all their cards on a rookie LOT taken in the late first. Just mind boggling at times. And it turned out he wasn't that good last year.

 

[Coogiguy03]

I don't get this FO at times.

Dak is your future as they were bent on keeping him. Pay him big bucks. Then they go cheap at LOT and don't really bother to want to keep Smith. Sure, he gets injured at least once a year, but he at least gives you a proper blindside guy when healthy and allows the young LT to actually compete for the 2nd most important position on offense.

Guyton may of been good off the bat, god awful or somewhere in between. They put all their cards on a rookie LOT taken in the late first. Just mind boggling at times. And it turned out he wasn't that good last year.

Trying to see how good he really is without the help, but not actually understanding what they're doing

 

[75boyz]

I don't get this FO at times.

Dak is your future as they were bent on keeping him. Pay him big bucks. Then they go cheap at LOT and don't really bother to want to keep Smith. Sure, he gets injured at least once a year, but he at least gives you a proper blindside guy when healthy and allows the young LT to actually compete for the 2nd most important position on offense.

Guyton may of been good off the bat, god awful or somewhere in between. They put all their cards on a rookie LOT taken in the late first. Just mind boggling at times. And it turned out he wasn't that good last year.

You are so spot on.
For all the reasons you laid out here...
The pick made no sense then and less now.
The overpaid QB was injury prone before last year.
After last year's injury he has become the type to never play a full 17 game schedule again.
You don't protect THAT type of QB with a still learning on the job LT.

This basic lack of understanding by the roster builder(s) is beyond pathetic.
Practically insane honestly.
But then, consider the source and the last 3 decades of futility and it becomes just another draft day gaffe.

Its just that sad times may get sadder.

 

[tm1119]

I think it’s pretty obvious he’s talking about Guyton’s mental makeup. Just the fact that there were multiple times Guyton didn’t start a game, but was able to come in the game as a reserve last year was a huge red flag to me. You can’t have a LT who isn’t going to play through minor injuries, too important of a position.

I know Cavanaugh and Strum hinted at there being toughness/willing to fight through adversity issues going on as well.

 

[Cowboyny]

The problem is you don't "continue developing" the blindside protector of your 60 mil per yr just returning from major injury QB.
He's either ready or he isnt.

That is why you create competition for the position, if he fails to win the job he doesn't start.

 

[75boyz]

That is why you create competition for the position, if he fails to win the job he doesn't start.

I'm all about that merit based approach this year. In Riley We trust.
But that still doesn't eliminate the failure by the front office to have wasted a 1st rd pick on a project LT whose current ceiling may be only as a swing tackle.
Richards showed more in limited snaps and Tyler Smith is still the best LT on this team.
Very poor pick for all of the reasons mentioned.

 

[Cowboyny]

I'm all about that merit based approach this year. In Riley We trust.
But that still doesn't eliminate the failure by the front office to have wasted a 1st rd pick on a project LT whose current ceiling may be only as a swing tackle.
Richards showed more in limited snaps and Tyler Smith is still the best LT on this team.
Very poor pick for all of the reasons mentioned.

To be fair, the Cowboys Front Office has done 1 thing exceptionally well and that's hitting on 1st rd offensive lineman. Guyton was a raw prospect when drafted, should of never seen the field last season, but he does have a huge upside potential. It's up to him to get there. Cannot write him off after just 1 season.

 

[Pass2Run]

After 1 year though?

At LT, I think the writing is on the wall. Gonna be a hard fix. The good news is I think he can be salvaged at RT.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong.. happens.

 

[75boyz]

To be fair, the Cowboys Front Office has done 1 thing exceptionally well and that's hitting on 1st rd offensive lineman. Guyton was a raw prospect when drafted, should of never seen the field last season, but he does have a huge upside potential. It's up to him to get there. Cannot write him off after just 1 season.

Totally agree. It WAS the ONE thing this team has proven to be good at.
Until this pick. It kinda muddies the waters for me on the oline scout team honestly. A more polished product had been the Tyron, Zack, Fred and Tyler model.
The d-line scouting already sucks. I just don't want a carryover to the one thing they "had" been good at (til Guyton)is all.

His last year's tape is so bad he needs a miracle turnaround to achieve adequate status in my eyes.

As a project LT leaving SleepNumber out to dry is not the way to go in order to win games this year.

Just my opinion.

 

[dupree89]

To be fair, the Cowboys Front Office has done 1 thing exceptionally well and that's hitting on 1st rd offensive lineman. Guyton was a raw prospect when drafted, should of never seen the field last season, but he does have a huge upside potential. It's up to him to get there. Cannot write him off after just 1 season.

i get it, but im sorry. we havent won super bowls lately---so we can't have the luxury of letting guys develop. Our first round picks have to be instant impact guys. 2nd rounders must start.