Dumbest draft thought on this board

[JBS]

By far the dumbest thing I have seen on this board and I've seen it by many different people, is this idea that you can't take J. Horn at 10 but you can take him at 13-15.

To say this is stupid is an understatement.

 

[Gaede]

Agreed.

Horn gave up 116 yds, 3 TDs, 33% completion in 7 games. He's more athletic than Surtain, has the same NFL heritage, and has produced vs. top competition.

The idea that he's not as top a prospect as Surtain is weird and I don't get it. I'd say they're extremely similar prospects and would be more than happy with either one at 10.

 

[Malhavoc]

I think Surtain and Horn are the two top targets.

 

[visionary]

By far the dumbest thing I have seen on this board and I've seen it by many different people, is this idea that you can't take J. Horn at 10 but you can take him at 13-15.

To say this is stupid is an understatement.

even dumber to say that a player projected to be taken in rd 2 a month ago is ok to take at 10 just because he ran a fast 40 time

the idiotic fascination with CBs and WRs needs to stop

learn football

great defenses are built with great front 7 and safety play not reaching fir CBs

 

[Floatyworm]

Agreed.

Horn gave up 116 yds, 3 TDs, 33% completion in 7 games. He's more athletic than Surtain, has the same NFL heritage, and has produced vs. top competition.

The idea that he's not as top a prospect as Surtain is weird and I don't get it. I'd say they're extremely similar prospects and would be more than happy with either one at 10.

Agree...I've come around on this.

 

[Rockport]

By far the dumbest thing I have seen on this board and I've seen it by many different people, is this idea that you can't take J. Horn at 10 but you can take him at 13-15.

To say this is stupid is an understatement.

How many int’s did he have in his college career? I believe it was 2.

 

[texbumthelife]

The tape is the difference. For starters Horn is grabby and not remotely as technically sound as Surtain. It's not even close. Surtain's hands are already elite. His ability to re-route receivers is already better than many NFL corners. Horn also has a tendency to stay in his back pedal too long watching the QB. Surtain is much more instinctive flipping and running.

Horn also played and practiced against significantly weaker competition.

As far as heritage, Surtain's father was a corner. Horn's was a WR. So he's got him there too.

Horn was a mid-late first rounder before his 40. Surtain was a projected top-10 pick before his 40.

What's really dumb is creating an entire thread calling people dumb based on their opinion when you gave absolutely no argument to change their minds.

 

[Brooksey]

The tape is the difference. For starters Horn is grabby and not remotely as technically sound as Surtain. It's not even close. Surtain's hands are already elite. His ability to re-route receivers is already better than many NFL corners. Horn also has a tendency to stay in his back pedal too long watching the QB. Surtain is much more instinctive flipping and running.

Horn also played and practiced against significantly weaker competition.

As far as heritage, Surtain's father was a corner. Horn's was a WR. So he's got him there too.

Horn was a mid-late first rounder before his 40. Surtain was a projected top-10 pick before his 40.

What's really dumb is creating an entire thread calling people dumb based on their opinion when you gave absolutely no argument to change their minds.

Maybe not an appropriate way to lay out the post but he's right. Horn is nasty..the grabby thing is way over stated. He plays with attitude and can go man or zone with anyone. Surtain is good too more Byron Jones esc, can't complain either way but watching the tape we need guys like Horn..we're soft.

 

[heir]

I'm really not a fan of Horn. I think he will be flagged every single snap in the NFL. It worries me.

 

[Verdict]

Agreed.

Horn gave up 116 yds, 3 TDs, 33% completion in 7 games. He's more athletic than Surtain, has the same NFL heritage, and has produced vs. top competition.

The idea that he's not as top a prospect as Surtain is weird and I don't get it. I'd say they're extremely similar prospects and would be more than happy with either one at 10.

I think Surtain is being over-hyped because he is from Bama.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

The tape is the difference. For starters Horn is grabby and not remotely as technically sound as Surtain. It's not even close. Surtain's hands are already elite. His ability to re-route receivers is already better than many NFL corners. Horn also has a tendency to stay in his back pedal too long watching the QB. Surtain is much more instinctive flipping and running.

Horn also played and practiced against significantly weaker competition.

As far as heritage, Surtain's father was a corner. Horn's was a WR. So he's got him there too.

Horn was a mid-late first rounder before his 40. Surtain was a projected top-10 pick before his 40.

What's really dumb is creating an entire thread calling people dumb based on their opinion when you gave absolutely no argument to change their minds.

What he's basically saying is...its never a reach to grab a plug and play guy. Imagine fans and draft pundits disagreeing with Dallas drafting a day one starter at ten.

 

[tm1119]

By far the dumbest thing I have seen on this board and I've seen it by many different people, is this idea that you can't take J. Horn at 10 but you can take him at 13-15.

To say this is stupid is an understatement.

I agree that a fan saying it causally on a message board is kind of silly. But I don’t know if nfl teams even go into the draft with stead fast numbered rankings like that. I believe most, if not all, teams rank players by tiers. If a tier 1 player is still on the board and we take a tier 2 CB for need it’s a mistake in my opinion.

Drafting for need within the same tier of players is obviously a whole different discussion.

 

[john van brocklin]

The tape is the difference. For starters Horn is grabby and not remotely as technically sound as Surtain. It's not even close. Surtain's hands are already elite. His ability to re-route receivers is already better than many NFL corners. Horn also has a tendency to stay in his back pedal too long watching the QB. Surtain is much more instinctive flipping and running.

Horn also played and practiced against significantly weaker competition.

As far as heritage, Surtain's father was a corner. Horn's was a WR. So he's got him there too.

Horn was a mid-late first rounder before his 40. Surtain was a projected top-10 pick before his 40.

What's really dumb is creating an entire thread calling people dumb based on their opinion when you gave absolutely no argument to change their minds.

Wow, bringing the lumbar on that post.

 

[kskboys]

"Draft value" may be the most overused and misunderstood term on these boards.

 

[kskboys]

Wow, bringing the lumbar on that post.

Into the thoracic region.

 

[john van brocklin]

Into the thoracic region.

Upside the noggin lol

 

[ultron]

I’d be very happy with either Surtain or Horn. Horn might actually turn out to be the better prospect due to the fact that Alabama [generally speaking] has a dominate front 7 so that helps their DBs a lot & even though some very good NFL DBs went to Bama, they have produced a lot of busts as well.

Both of their dad’s had very good nfl careers and I expect the same from the young boys.

 

[texbumthelife]

Maybe not an appropriate way to lay out the post but he's right. Horn is nasty..the grabby thing is way over stated. He plays with attitude and can go man or zone with anyone. Surtain is good too more Byron Jones esc, can't complain either way but watching the tape we need guys like Horn..we're soft.

Horn doesn't do anything better than Surtain. Not a single thing. Yeah, I like the edge Horn plays with, but no, the grabby thing isn't overplayed. There's a reason it's in almost every write up about the guy.

Don't get me wrong, Horn is a baller and I'd be fine the the Cowboys wound up with him. Later. Not at 10. And not over Surtain.

 

[texbumthelife]

What he's basically saying is...its never a reach to grab a plug and play guy. Imagine fans and draft pundits disagreeing with Dallas drafting a day one starter at ten.

I get that, and you might be right. And I agree to a certain extent.

But, just because there aren't many players actually in the draft that are ranked between the two, doesn't mean there isn't a vast divide in skill level between them. It just means that, like most people believe, the draft really drops off after the top-10.

Horn is a high teens to low 20s guy, in my opinion. Two things boosted his stock:

Farley's surgery and his 40 time. Not his play. Not his tape.

I'm very weary of a guy jumping way up boards because the next guy at his position had surgery. That's a huge red flag to me. We're all used to players getting bumped by their 40s, so I don't need to address that.

Whats really crazy is just about everyones knock on Surtain was that he'd run poorly. He went out and put up a time that's plenty fast. So, instead of at that point just saying, "damn, this is the dude..." they started looking new ways/reasons to discredit him. Like saying he's "overhyped because he played at Bama."

Like professional scouts just ignore tape because of the school. Like any professional scout sat down at their desk and said, "welp, don't need to review this guy's film cause he played at Bama."

Like couch scouts just ignore tape because of his school. Like anyone on this forum, as peculiar and particular as they are, decided to just give the guy a top-10 grade because he went to Bama.

Give me a break.

 

[Sydla]

even dumber to say that a player projected to be taken in rd 2 a month ago is ok to take at 10 just because he ran a fast 40 time

the idiotic fascination with CBs and WRs needs to stop

learn football

great defenses are built with great front 7 and safety play not reaching fir CBs

Problem is there really aren’t any sure fire DL or Ss at 10. And the reports seem mixed on Parsons.

Cowboys are in a pickle.