Dumbest draft thought on this board

[Sydla]

LOL I never said that about Ramsey. Quit making **** up.

Yeah I don't believe you. I have little doubt if we went back, you were justifying taking Elliott over Ramsey in part because Ramsey didn't have interceptions in college.

And the larger point is focusing on interceptions for a college QB isn't really smart.

 

[Sydla]

2 picks in 3 years is not many. Kind of obvious isn't it?

What's obvious is your lack of understanding of CB play if you want to keep focusing on number of interceptions.

 

[texbumthelife]

Of course it's not obvious. Just because Ramsey did that doesn't mean every fricken CB coming out will do that. Jeez, common sense man.

So, you set a metric that you're using to judge a player but refuse to use the history of that metric sway you?

You're just being stubborn and contrarian.

 

[Sydla]

Of course it's not obvious. Just because Ramsey did that doesn't mean every fricken CB coming out will do that. Jeez, common sense man.

No but it means that just because a CB doesn't have a lot of college interceptions doesn't mean you should question his play, which you seem to be doing.

 

[texbumthelife]

No but it means that just because a CB doesn't have a lot of college interceptions doesn't mean you should question his play, which you seem to be doing.

Too much logic. Don't hurt the man.

 

[Rockport]

So, you set a metric that you're using to judge a player but refuse to use the history of that metric sway you?

You're just being stubborn and contrarian.

Dude, you can't equate what one player is going to do and say that every CB that had 2 int's in college is going to be as good as Ramsey. What has happened to common sense these days? You want me to show you a list of all CB draft candidates with 2 int's in college? According to you, they'll all do like Ramsey did.

 

[Rockport]

Yeah I don't believe you. I have little doubt if we went back, you were justifying taking Elliott over Ramsey in part because Ramsey didn't have interceptions in college.

And the larger point is focusing on interceptions for a college QB isn't really smart.

I never did because I don't act like a draft expert like so many here do. It's easy to find out just do a CowboyZone search.

 

[Rockport]

What's obvious is your lack of understanding of CB play if you want to keep focusing on number of interceptions.

I didn't focus on int's dufus, I said it's something to consider and be worried about. That's all. I don't know this guy from Clyde and neither do you. There are tons of things to consider when looking at a prospect.

 

[Rockport]

No but it means that just because a CB doesn't have a lot of college interceptions doesn't mean you should question his play, which you seem to be doing.

Yes, I would question any CB coming out of college being considered in the first round that only has 2 int's. By questioning it, I mean looking at the whole package. It's a factor. That's all I'm saying so quit trying to make it more than that. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Yes, I would question any CB coming out of college being considered in the first round that only has 2 int's. By questioning it, I mean looking at the whole package. It's a factor. That's all I'm saying so quit trying to make it more than that. You're embarrassing yourself.

No...no....I think you’re embarrassing yourself.

 

[Rockport]

No...no....I think you’re embarrassing yourself.

Since you think that any CB with 2 int's in his college career is going to be just as good as Ramsey,,,who's embarassing themselves?

 

[Bizwah]

I don't think its dumb. I think what they're saying is trade down and get the same player you can 13 that you can get at 10 while getting draft compensation. Nothing dumb about that at all. Now its wishful thinking someone would even want to trade up with you to do it but who knows.

I'm not sure of that. There's a reason you will hear guys like Broaddus and Brooks say that if you see a player you like, take him.

Trading down...even three or four picks is risky. We did this years ago (I can't remember the exact year). We wanted Max Unger, but thought we could trade down a few spots and still get him. The Saints actually traded up ahead of us to take him. We were caught with our pants down and traded even further back. We wound up taking a LB.....can't even remember his name.....with our first pick. He was cut in TC.

We say it's easy to trade down to get Horn at 13-15 instead of 10. But CBs are valued. A team could trade ahead of us to get him.

Then what do you do?

 

[CATCH17]

I love the Surtain vs Horn debate.

To me this is so freakin tough to decide.

Right now I’m on team Horn but I could change my mind in an hour.

The way Horn competes and gets after it just has a presence that’s going to show up on the field.

That Dez like competitive mentality on defense is what we need a lot of.

I do like Surtains ability and his background.. Being coached by Saban and getting to line up against incredible wideouts every day in practice is going to have him ready out the gate.

 

[Hardline]

Na


The dumbest Draft Take is taking a lesser defensive player over someone like Pitts because “our offense is stacked”

End thread

 

[Bizwah]

I love the Surtain vs Horn debate.

To me this is so freakin tough to decide.

Right now I’m on team Horn but I could change my mind in an hour.

The way Horn competes and gets after it just has a presence that’s going to show up on the field.

That Dez like competitive mentality on defense is what we need a lot of.

I do like Surtains ability and his background.. Being coached by Saban and getting to line up against incredible wideouts every day in practice is going to have him ready out the gate.

I really like both. I wouldn't cry with either one.

 

[Hardline]

This is the same silly logic you guys used with Jalen Ramsey. Can't possibly take Ramsey. He's overrated. Ramsey only had 3 interceptions in 3 years in college, including ZERO in his last season! And all Ramsey did was become arguably the best CB in the NFL.

But yeah, focus on interceptions. It's not surprising that your analysis of CBs is shallow and focuses on interceptions.

I want my CBs to prevent the man they are covering from catching the ball without interfering with him.
Interceptions are just an added bonus.

 

[DFWJC]

By far the dumbest thing I have seen on this board and I've seen it by many different people, is this idea that you can't take J. Horn at 10 but you can take him at 13-15.

To say this is stupid is an understatement.

Sure you can take him at 10.
I guess ideally, “if” you like both Horn and Surtain about the same, you get Horn and an extra 3rd rounder slightly later

 

[CATCH17]

I really like both. I wouldn't cry with either one.

I do too.

I don’t want to get to where I sound like 1 is good and 1 sucks.

I just feel Surtain is so safe and there is some upside to Horn and a demeanor that shines that I’d like my defenders to have.

Surtain is the quiet Byron type and I really think this defense severely needs some attitude instead of 11 entrepreneurs trying to play defense.

 

[Bizwah]

I do too.

I don’t want to get to where I sound like 1 is good and 1 sucks.

I just feel Surtain is so safe and there is some upside to Horn and a demeanor that shines that I’d like my defenders to have.

Surtain is the quiet Byron type and I really think this defense severely needs some attitude instead of 11 entrepreneurs trying to play defense.

The fun part is that both have qualities you love to see in CBs.

I love the steady, consistent smooth way that Surtain plays. But I love the attitude that Horn brings (you hit the nail on the head with him).

We win either way.

 

[cowboygo]

I can see that argument, I'm just not sure where it comes from.

If Surtain is better right now and has shown he's plenty athletic, why is his ceiling lower? Cause he runs a tenth of a second slower in the 40? If he's already better technically, and at least equal as far as instincts, why is his ceiling lower? If he already poses elite traits that some NFL starting corners don't have, why wouldn't that immediately lift his ceiling.

I feel like because Surtain already has such good technique, people have written of his ability to get even better. But, because Horn is starting with a lesser toolset, it's easier to envision him getting better.

It happens every year with prospects and it's the most unusual phenomenon. Player A is a technician and therefor pretty much at his ceiling. Player B is as technically sound but runs a little faster. So, player B has a higher ceiling. WUT?! The fact that he's such a technician should further increase his potential. You KNOW he's gonna study. You KNOW he's gonna learn. You KNOW he's gonna get better.

Its just personal preference on their style of play, not the 40 yd dash. The same way I preferred Ceedee Lamb over Jerry Jeudy as WR1, (even with Jeudy being the more technician and also faster) I rather have Lamb’s style of play as a competitor and the way he tracks the football.

I just prefer Horn who played in an inferior team, was their alpha on defense lining across the opposing team’s best player, while Surtain stayed on his side of the field. I like them both the about the same, Horn’s ceiling for me isn’t even that much higher than Surtain’s. Its just a personal preference on his style of play as a corner. Physical, aggressive. Thats what I feel the team needs.