dungy thinks goodell should talk to rex about cussing

[rickwil61]

I agree with you.

Dungy speaking about this was awfully presumptuous and I don't think he should've said anything, but I agree with him in principal, if not in spirit.

It's just a poor way to represent your organization. If I'm Woody Johnson, I tell him to tone it down.

I'm former military and current law enforcement. I can swear as much as Ryan...but I'm mindful of my audience. If I'm with the kids, or with someone I don't know, I keep the swears out of my conversation. It's really not that difficult.

I know (and many here have pointed out) that they're just words, but the fact remains that they're offensive to many people. And while it's not offensive (in its context) to me, Ryan sounds like an idiot when he can't form a sentence without 2 or 3 swears thrown in for good measure, so its irritating, rather than offensive.

Yeah that's really my point. I saw the episode and I'm not ready to say he's a bad person or a bad coach. I think the swagger he's showing is going to motivate his team. But when you're letting the public in to your training camp then I think you have to adjust your style a little because you will have all walks of people watching the broadcast.

I wonder what the response would have been on this board if Wade had carried on that way last year?

 

[tyke1doe]

Wow. Not a post in defense of Dungy.
Well, let me get the faux outrage started.

First, Dan Patrick raised the issue and Tony Dungy merely gave his opinion. He was hardly judgmental and gave his personal opinion that he doesn't like the profanity and that he wouldn't hire a coach who used as much profanity as Rex Ryan did.

Second, Dan Patrick asked whether Goodell should look into Ryan's use of profanity in light of Goodell's concerns about policing the behavior of NFL players and his concerns about the league's image. Dungy said "I hope so." Dungy has a point. If the NFL is going to police the conduct of players based on the image of the league then what about coaches, especially those who appear on a show that had to get the league's approval to air.

Third, Tony Dungy is hardly self-righteous. He focused on the profanity. He did not judge Ryan's overall character. And yes, if he doesn't cuss, and has a reason for that, he is entitled to discuss why it's unbecoming.

Fourth, who said Tony Dungy approves of Michael Vick's behavior because he serves as Vick's mentor? And when and where did Dungy make a moral equivalency comparison between profanity and fighting dogs? That's a very, very weak comparison to offer. Dungy is mentoring Vick because he wants to provide a positive role model for Vick and lead him away from such a lifestyle. Nice of you all to miss that point in your efforts to make a faulty moral equivalency comparison.

Fifth, I'm glad Dungy spoke his mind. We have to listen to people spew all types of crap and non-sense in this live-and-let-live society. And we wonder why people don't have respect for their fellow man and woman. Maybe it's because we forgot to call people to a higher standard. Maybe we're scared to do so for fear of being called hypocrites or "holier-than-thou"[/b] whatever that means. I'm glad Dungy brought attention to this matter. Nothing changes unless someone speaks up for change. Of course, we live in a generation that doesn't want to be corrected. Fortunately, we still have men like Dungy who doesn't kow-tow or bow to the alter of convenience.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

You know, Bill Cosby did the same thing with Eddie Murphy years ago and Eddie Murphy eventually became Bill Cosby.

 

[tyke1doe]

I dont like much of anything about rex ryan...or any of the ryans for that matter.

But Tony Dungy is so off base here. A grown man on a football field is doing something wrong when he swears?

Whatever. If that were me I would have held a press conference And used every word I could think of in a response to that judgemental overrated morality decider Tony Dungy.

I dont like Tony Dungy and never have. Stuff like this makes me lose all respect for him. Stay out of rex ryans business. If he has such a problem with it get back in the league and coach a team against him.

God this story makes me irritated. A grown man swearing on a private football field is an issue? Good Grief. I am dissapointed big mouth ryan didnt let him have it, I sure would have.

Fortunately, Ryan and Dungy have more class than you.

 

[tyke1doe]

You know, Bill Cosby did the same thing with Eddie Murphy years ago and Eddie Murphy eventually became Bill Cosby.

If we never have people who challenge us to be better than who were are whether morally, professionally, spiritually, emotionally, etc., how do we become better.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

If we never have people who challenge us to be better than who were are whether morally, professionally, spiritually, emotionally, etc., how do we become better.

Was that meant as a question?

 

[rickwil61]

Wow. Not a post in defense of Dungy.
Well, let me get the faux outrage started.

First, Dan Patrick raised the issue and Tony Dungy merely gave his opinion. He was hardly judgmental and gave his personal opinion that he doesn't like the profanity and that he wouldn't hire a coach who used as much profanity as Rex Ryan did.

Second, Dan Patrick asked whether Goodell should look into Ryan's use of profanity in light of Goodell's concerns about policing the behavior of NFL players and his concerns about the league's image. Dungy said "I hope so." Dungy has a point. If the NFL is going to police the conduct of players based on the image of the league then what about coaches, especially those who appear on a show that had to get the league's approval to air.

Third, Tony Dungy is hardly self-righteous. He focused on the profanity. He did not judge Ryan's overall character. And yes, if he doesn't cuss, and has a reason for that, he is entitled to discuss why it's unbecoming.

Fourth, who said Tony Dungy approves of Michael Vick's behavior because he serves as Vick's mentor? And when and where did Dungy make a moral equivalency comparison between profanity and fighting dogs? That's a very, very weak comparison to offer. Dungy is mentoring Vick because he wants to provide a positive role model for Vick and lead him away from such a lifestyle. Nice of you all to miss that point in your efforts to make a faulty moral equivalency comparison.

Fifth, I'm glad Dungy spoke his mind. We have to listen to people spew all types of crap and non-sense in this live-and-let-live society. And we wonder why people don't have respect for their fellow man and woman. Maybe it's because we forgot to call people to a higher standard. Maybe we're scared to do so for fear of being called hypocrites or "holier-than-thou"[/b] whatever that means. I'm glad Dungy brought attention to this matter. Nothing changes unless someone speaks up for change. Of course, we live in a generation that doesn't want to be corrected. Fortunately, we still have men like Dungy who doesn't kow-tow or bow to the alter of convenience.

Well said. All good points.

 

[VACowboy]

But when you're letting the public in to your training camp then I think you have to adjust your style a little because you will have all walks of people watching the broadcast.

I think that if you tune into a show at 10:00 PM on HBO, you can expect some "mature content." People who don't want to see that kind of stuff shouldn't be watching. It gets the "MA" label right up front. It's easy to change the channel.

As far as Rex's representation of the League, he's not hosting a media luncheon. He's not giving a network interview. He's being filmed as he coaches his team, and for my money, for those eight hours on late night premium cable television, I want to see and hear exactly what goes on behind the scenes in the game I love--no dilution or sugar coating. I get the politically correct version of football the rest of the time.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I do like Ryan. I like the way he says, "We're good. We know it. And we expect to be Super Bowl champions." Will I root for his team? Probably only when they play NE, Pittsburgh, NFC East teams and playoff contenders in the National Conference. But it's cool to see a coach who doesn't regurgitate the "one game at a time" mantra.

 

[theebs]

I think the issue that Tony has with it is that it wasn't on a private football field but was on national TV. The only reason he raised this issue is because it was broadcast on Hard Knocks. You don't see Tony going from practice field to practice field being the cuss ****. I think he's concerned with the example it sets.

There is a time and place for everything but since this was a TV broadcast I think that coach Ryan could have used a little better discretion. Barry Switzer used to get criticized big time when he let out a few "hells" and "damns" at his press conferences. Many people felt that it was an unbecoming representation of the Dallas Cowboys.

Whether you agree or disagree with him, I think that Tony Dungy's comments are a reflection of the high regard that he has for the league and the responsibility that the league has being on such a high public platform.

If he is so worried about the league why did he go to bat for a scumbag like vick? Why did he allow a shady guy like harrison in his locker room?

Give me a break. its a bunch of swear words in a private office or on a private football field, the whole staff speaks that way. Its on HBO not national telelevision it comes on at 10 eastern.

If tony dungy is worried about the league maybe he should be outspoken about the things people dont talk about, like the women on the side on the road, the drugging and drinking alot of these guys do in the offseason etc...

And give me a break on this him holding things to a higher standard and if he doesnt how will the league get to a higher standard. Please. that is such nonsense. And I dont want to hear anything about kids or children and how it affects them. Any parent that has HBO should be well aware of what is allowed and they are paying extra for the network each month and can easily drop it at anytime.

Oh and if its about the kids then shouldnt the actual violence, taunting, showboating be enough to keep parents from allowing their kids to watch. Teaching a kid to tackle seems alot more dangerous to me than teaching them some naughty words.

this whole thing is bananas. Anyone who thinks swearing has anything to do with how you do your job, what kind of person you are is just crazy.

again, Dungy has annoited himself the morality police of the nfl and its a joke. Bill Belichick talks alot like ryan when you read and hear somethings about him....would Dungy hire him? He certainly had no idea how to beat him with the "greatest" qb of all time. What a joke. Swearing in the nfl is a sports radio/blog issue from the coach who has been around plenty of questionable people, I mean he was on the 70s steelers for gods sake.

 

[rickwil61]

If he is so worried about the league why did he go to bat for a scumbag like vick? Why did he allow a shady guy like harrison in his locker room?


again, Dungy has annoited himself the morality police of the nfl and its a joke.

Now who's making themselves the morality police of the NFL and being judgemental? As a previous poster had said, Dungy's involvement with Vick was not an endorsement of Vick's action but an attempt to help him get on the right track. I don't know what Harrison's issues were so I can't speak to that but I do know that Tony is the type to try to help people to aspire to something better.

Dungy does not go around monitoring profanity or anything else on the practice fields in the league so I don't get how he is making himself any kind of "police." He was asked his opinion about Ryan's behavior on one episode of Hard Knocks and he gave it. A self-righteous prude Tony Dungy is not but the man does have his standards.

 

[theebs]

Now who's making themselves the morality police of the NFL and being judgemental? As a previous poster had said, Dungy's involvement with Vick was not an endorsement of Vick's action but an attempt to help him get on the right track. I don't know what Harrison's issues were so I can't speak to that but I do know that Tony is the type to try to help people to aspire to something better.

Dungy does not go around monitoring profanity or anything else on the practice fuelds in the league so I don't get how he is making himself any kind of "police." He was asked his opinion about Ryan's behavior on one episode of Hard Knocks and he gave it. A self-righteous prude Tony Dungy is not but the man does have his standards.

yeah except he knows exactly what he is doing when he becomes the spokesperson for vick being a good guy and rex ryan swearing. He is no dummy.

oh and yes I am judgemental towards guys like vick and leonard little, they should not be allowed in the league.

Swearing on the other hand is something you keep out of your kids little league, but not an issue in the nfl.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Dungy should be more worried about Ryan being a fat *** who will die of heart disease or stroke than the fact he cusses.

Dungy actually believes his own coaches never did. Dan and Danettes had a good laugh over that one.

And before someone responds, well kids might be watching, well if you are that worried about your child hearing a bad word, then don't watch HBO.

 

[mmurray21]

I think a lot of you guys are missing the point. Dungy was saying that HE would not hire Ryan. He was not saying what Ryan should or should not do. I never took this as a moral or religious issue. Its more of a "professional" issue. Dungy learned from Chuck Noll that there is a certain way to carry yourself. It is football, but its also a professional organization. There are women and sometimes children around and Dungy is just saying he like Noll and Landry need to carry themselves a certain way as leaders of the entire football organization.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I think a lot of you guys are missing the point. Dungy was saying that HE would not hire Ryan. He was not saying what Ryan should or should not do. I never took this as a moral or religious issue. Its more of a "professional" issue. Dungy learned from Chuck Noll that there is a certain way to carry yourself. It is football, but its also a professional organization. There are women and sometimes children around and Dungy is just saying he like Noll and Landry need to carry themselves a certain way as leaders of the entire football organization.

You are kind of splitting hairs there.

If you say you will not hire someone, you are basically saying they are crap.

The belief that women should not hear such words is actually offensive to women. It is patronizing to say the least. What you are saying is that they are so fragile and so inferior they cannot hear such words.

As for children, they hear more in their school yard than Rex ever will say.

 

[rickwil61]

You are kind of splitting hairs there.


The belief that women should not hear such words is actually offensive to women. It is patronizing to say the least. What you are saying is that they are so fragile and so inferior they cannot hear such words.

As for children, they hear more in their school yard than Rex ever will say.

So do you use profanity when you talk to your mother? If you're like most people you don't and it's not because you think she's weak but it's simply out of respect. I think that is the crux of this whole issue, respect. There was a time when respect toward women and children was considered a good thing. And it was because of the value we placed on them and not out of any kind of "patronizing." I'd be willing to bet that most women, even today, would not be offended by such treatment.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

So do you use profanity when you talk to your mother? If you're like most people you don't and it's not because you think she's weak but it's simply out of respect. I think that is the crux of this whole issue, respect. There was a time when respect toward women and children was considered a good thing. And it was because of the value we placed on them and not out of any kind of "patronizing." I'd be willing to bet that most women, even today, would not be offended by such treatment.

I have and do. She might not like it but that is who I am.

There was also a time when women and children were considered property and the husband basically owned their *****. Times change.

Women cuss as much as the rest of us. I believe they do not need protecting. I think women are equal and should be treated that way, equally.

As for children, my son just laughs at what comes out of my mouth. I remember our first Disneyland trip in 2007, he came home and said to my mom, daddy said **** all the time in California, I said thanks son for throwing me under the bus.

Remember there might be NFL players and people who watch the games who are atheists who do not like the fact you are allowed to pray after a TD or good play, that there are group prayers after games. Those atheists aren't being respected.

 

[rickwil61]

I have and do. She might not like it but that is who I am.

There was also a time when women and children were considered property and the husband basically owned their *****. Times change.

Women cuss as much as the rest of us. I believe they do not need protecting. I think women are equal and should be treated that way, equally.

As for children, my son just laughs at what comes out of my mouth. I remember our first Disneyland trip in 2007, he came home and said to my mom, daddy said **** all the time in California, I said thanks son for throwing me under the bus.

Remember there might be NFL players and people who watch the games who are atheists who do not like the fact you are allowed to pray after a TD or good play, that there are group prayers after games. Those atheists aren't being respected.

I don't see how atheists are being disrespected by people praying no more than I see people of faith are being disprespected by atheists not praying (IOW they're not) . I guess that in the end, how one conducts themselves will be determined by what they stand for.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I don't see how atheists are being disrespected by people praying anymore than people of faith are being disprespected by atheists not praying. I guess that in the end, how one conducts themselves will be determined by what they stand for.

you cannot offend someone by what you do not do

 

[rickwil61]

you cannot offend someone by what you do not do

Apparently you can offend an atheist if you don't think like they do.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Apparently you can offend an atheist if you don't think like they do.

you can't be that dense.

it would be the act of praying during the game that could offend the atheist, not the fact you are a believer. The NFL does not allow a player to go to his knees just to celebrate a TD yet the same player can go to a knee to celebrate a TD if he is praying. That could offend an atheist player.