dungy thinks goodell should talk to rex about cussing

[rkell87]

 

[urface59]

In the words of the one and only Wade Phillips, "******, you gotta be ****ting me!"

 

[tyke1doe]

Was that meant as a question?

It was a rhetorical question.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

How about we completely remove religion for the replies from now on.

If you want to talk religion you can go to www.spintopia.com as they have a section for just that.

 

[tyke1doe]

yeah except he knows exactly what he is doing when he becomes the spokesperson for vick being a good guy and rex ryan swearing. He is no dummy.

oh and yes I am judgemental towards guys like vick and leonard little, they should not be allowed in the league.

Swearing on the other hand is something you keep out of your kids little league, but not an issue in the nfl.

If that's the case, then why does the NFL and the networks "bleep" such language?

Reason: The NFL and the networks are sensitive to the fact that mainstream society may not and does not prefer the raw language of the NFL. And when you're trying to win and maintain a mainstream audience, you must appeal to the mainstream.

Second, again, you make faulty comparisons. Do you mean because I counsel a man who is a child molester and who has paid his legal debt to society I can't tell someone they should mind their language?
What sense does that make?

This live-and-let-live culture has deprived people of all rational judgment.

We are flawed individuals. All of us. But if perfection were the requirement for making moral judgment, then society would collapse because NO ONE is perfect and NO ONE would be able to correct anyone's behavior.

But we are rational and moral people (all of us) in the midst of our flaws. And so we act, not as perfect people, but as RESPONSIBLE people, working on our own moral imperfections but understanding that society must continue to work and operate functionally even if we aren't perfect. And we must encourage people to seek a higher standard for the good of society, even if we aren't perfect. We should work on those imperfections, especially those involving values we champion. But we shouldn't allow the argument that we're not perfect to derail us of our responsibilities.

 

[tyke1doe]

Dungy actually believes his own coaches never did. Dan and Danettes had a good laugh over that one.

Actually, Dungy acknowledged that he was around coaches who used profanity. But one thing I respect about Dungy, and it might have been obvious to other coaches too, is that these coaches who did use profanity didn't do so around Dungy.

That, there, is respect, not something to laugh at, i.e., snicker, snicker, Dungy's coaches used profanity too. Well, maybe so. But maybe not around him.

And before someone responds, well kids might be watching, well if you are that worried about your child hearing a bad word, then don't watch HBO.

Good point. However, you have to understand this argument in context. If a player slaps a woman on HBO and that creates a firestorm (even though no criminal charges are brought), do you think Goodell is going to overlook that?

The current discussion in the NFL has to do with image. Some players feel the NFL focuses on the athletes and not the coaches. If Goodell is worried about the image of the NFL, shouldn't coaches be included in that?

Besides, this isn't the first time Ryan has been cited for using language. His own mother criticized him for being such a foul mouth.

Unfortunately, posters here are trying to interpret this issue outside of a context. The context is the current climate of the NFL. Tony Dungy didn't just offer this out of the blue. He was asked by Dan Patrick and responded, honestly.

 

[tyke1doe]

You are kind of splitting hairs there.

If you say you will not hire someone, you are basically saying they are crap.

Pulease.

No, you are not. There are plenty of good people who I wouldn't hire for one reason or another.

The belief that women should not hear such words is actually offensive to women. It is patronizing to say the least. What you are saying is that they are so fragile and so inferior they cannot hear such words.

This is screwed-up logic.

No, what's being said is that we respect people to such a degree that we will not subject them to certain language, particularly language that most of society considers foul.

As for children, they hear more in their school yard than Rex ever will say.

So the mature among us shouldn't set standards because the children obviously don't.

 

[tyke1doe]

I have and do. She might not like it but that is who I am.

There was also a time when women and children were considered property and the husband basically owned their *****. Times change.

Women cuss as much as the rest of us. I believe they do not need protecting. I think women are equal and should be treated that way, equally.

So your use of profanity defines you?
Okay.

Your second paragraph is such a non-sequitur that it doesn't deserve a response.

Your third paragraph is interesting in that it is stereotypical and assumes a great deal about the totality of humanity. Uh, I know many, many, many women who don't cuss and who don't cuss as much as men.

Second, it's not an issue of equality. It is an issue of respect.

Respect says, I can say something, I am free to say something, but if I may offend another, I'm not going to assert my right to say what I want, when I want and how I want (within the context of my personal moral values and convictions, that is) but defer to another because I care about my fellow man and woman.

Your approach to making this an issue of equality is bizarre, to say the least, and is simply a disguise to hide your lack of respect for women, children and anyone else who may find your public use of language offensive.

No wonder civility is lacking in this society. We've preached too much about rights and not enough about respect.

 

[tyke1doe]

you can't be that dense.

it would be the act of praying during the game that could offend the atheist, not the fact you are a believer. The NFL does not allow a player to go to his knees just to celebrate a TD yet the same player can go to a knee to celebrate a TD if he is praying. That could offend an atheist player.

So basically you're saying an atheist is defined by cussing just as a theist is defined by praying?

Please, let's leave this train of argument. It really doesn't make sense.

There's nothing core to being an atheist that involves profanity. There is something core to being a theist that involves praying.

One involves a core moral value or activity that defines one (praying to a theist); the other does not (profanity to an atheist).

 

[YosemiteSam]

I dont like much of anything about rex ryan...or any of the ryans for that matter.

But Tony Dungy is so off base here. A grown man on a football field is doing something wrong when he swears?

Whatever. If that were me I would have held a press conference And used every word I could think of in a response to that judgemental overrated morality decider Tony Dungy.

I dont like Tony Dungy and never have. Stuff like this makes me lose all respect for him. Stay out of rex ryans business. If he has such a problem with it get back in the league and coach a team against him.

God this story makes me irritated. A grown man swearing on a private football field is an issue? Good Grief. I am dissapointed big mouth ryan didnt let him have it, I sure would have.

What do you expect from an extremely religious man? I'm more that sure he was half baiting to make the statement. They know he doesn't believe in it and 2/3 of every word that comes out of Rex's mouth is one.