Dwayne Harris 3rd WR?

[DFWJC]

Harris ran a 4.51 at his Pro Day.

http://nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66860&draftyear=2011&genpos=WR

No big deal anyway.

"Dwayne Harris recently ran a 4.38-second 40-yard dash for NFL scouts.
In 2010, he rushed 16 times for a 6.5-yard average and had 101 pass receptions for 1,123 yards and 10 touchdowns. He also completed two of three pass attempts, including a TD toss of 39 yards. And he averaged almost 12 yards on 19 punt returns and 21 yards on 41 kickoff returns."​

Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/04/28/1159054/ecus-harris-feels-good-about-draft.html#ixzz1V80ZAzHT

Maybe this was a private workout for pro scouts vs the official pro day. Either way, his spped s not an issue. Like you said, he needs to refine his route-running....pretty much like all rookies do.​

 

[Doomsday101]

yet he was fast enough to get it it the endzone. Heck with all the 40 yard and how high you jump. All these combine stats are a tool they are not going to tell you what kind of player a guy will be.

 

[ringmaster]

He played the same exact position in the same exact offense that Danny Amendola and Wes Welker played in college. He's well versed in picking up the hot routes and finding the soft spots in zones on the fly from the slot. He should pick up the slot easily. He's a natural, instinctive football player.

Yes that Mike Leach offense is now everywhere in college and those WRs that play in it does seem to run precise routes and that is a huge advantage in the NFL.

We have another WR Lyle Leong who can from that same offense so he will be very interesting too we'll see though.

 

[ringmaster]

I'm not sure O-tree has the speed Harris does. Harris does remind me of the Welker sort of player. We shall see. That's my intuition on him thus far.

If he winds up being anything like Wes then we got ourselves a player for sure.

 

[ringmaster]

"You either make the play or you don't"

So, you don't take consideration for anything? What about if it was first string vs second string. Or the defense had perfect coverage and he makes a great play. That doesn't make sense. You should put everything in perspective when evaluating a player's performance. He made a good play against a busted coverage.

What world do you live in he made the play and the defense did not and it doesn't matter if it was Denver's 1,2, or 3rd string D its just that simple.

 

[ringmaster]

I agree. Combine numbers are a tool they do not tell you if a guy is a football player or not. There are some workout warriors who can post impressive numbers in these drills but can't play a lick of football when it counts.

That's true and a great example would be Taylor Mays, who is built like a greek god and had an impressive 40 time but to me is an average football player.

 

[Stautner]

What world do you live in he made the play and the defense did not and it doesn't matter if it was Denver's 1,2, or 3rd string D its just that simple.

It matters in terms of keeping things in perspective. It's easy to look at numbers alone and think a guy was "dominant" (as one poster called Harris), but while he had a good game, and one that certainly is encouraging, the fact remains that the biggest share of his yardage was on a play that was dramatically less likely to happen with a starting NFL defense. That's why I've said I was more impressed with the fact that he caught every pass thrown to him than I was with the yardage stats.

If a young QB puts up nice numbers in a preseason game against a defense comprised of 3rd teamers and guys who wont even make the team are you going to say he is a stud, or are you going to put it in perspective and recognize that you can't judge him the same way you would had he done the same thing against a starting NFL defense.

 

[DFWJC]

It matters in terms of keeping things in perspective. It's easy to look at numbers alone and think a guy was "dominant" (as one poster called Harris), but while he had a good game, and one that certainly is encouraging, the fact remains that the biggest share of his yardage was on a play that was dramatically less likely to happen with a starting NFL defense. That's why I've said I was more impressed with the fact that he caught every pass thrown to him than I was with the yardage stats.

If a young QB puts up nice numbers in a preseason game against a defense comprised of 3rd teamers and guys who wont even make the team are you going to say he is a stud, or are you going to put it in perspective and recognize that you can't judge him the same way you would had he done the same thing against a starting NFL defense.

Certainly a good idea to keep this pre-season stuff in perspective.

I did re-watch the game and noticed that, oddly, Denver put in some of their veteran players in to try to stop that game-winning drive.
I guess Fox wanted to win his 1st pre-season game to set the tone in a new camp.

As for Harris, I just hope folks are realistic and fair with the kid. He has a whole lot of work ahead of him, but had agreat start.

 

[Stautner]

Certainly a good idea to keep this pre-season stuff in perspective.

I did re-watch the game and noticed that, oddly, Denver put in some of their veteran players in to try to stop that game-winning drive.
I guess Fox wanted to win his 1st pre-season game to set the tone in a new camp.

As for Harris, I just hope folks are realistic and fair with the kid. He has a whole lot of work ahead of him, but had agreat start.

That is interesting that Denver used veterans on that last drive.

Agree on Harris - great start but where is really is as a player can only be determined with a little time.

 

[ringmaster]

It matters in terms of keeping things in perspective. It's easy to look at numbers alone and think a guy was "dominant" (as one poster called Harris), but while he had a good game, and one that certainly is encouraging, the fact remains that the biggest share of his yardage was on a play that was dramatically less likely to happen with a starting NFL defense. That's why I've said I was more impressed with the fact that he caught every pass thrown to him than I was with the yardage stats.

If a young QB puts up nice numbers in a preseason game against a defense comprised of 3rd teamers and guys who wont even make the team are you going to say he is a stud, or are you going to put it in perspective and recognize that you can't judge him the same way you would had he done the same thing against a starting NFL defense.

They're called professionals Stautner regardless of what string it is the NFL afterall.

 

[Stautner]

They're called professionals Stautner regardless of what string it is the NFL afterall.

Really, so you truthfully feel that a player who has some success against 3rd teamers and guys who will be cut has proven himself just as capable as a guy who has success against 1st team defenses.

I find that fascinating.

You kinow, if they are all professionals - no distinction as to talent/experience/knowlege etc... then lets just get rid of Romo and Witten and Ware and all those other expensive yahoos and go with the "professinals" who don't cost much.

 

[Doomsday101]

Really, so you truthfully feel that a player who has some success against 3rd teamers and guys who will be cut has proven himself just as capable as a guy who has success against 1st team defenses.

I find that fascinating.

You kinow, if they are all professionals - no distinction as to talent/experience/knowlege etc... then lets just get rid of Romo and Witten and Ware and all those other expensive yahoos and go with the "professinals" who don't cost much.

I agree. I was thrilled with Harris play in the Denver game but that is just a 1st step. I hope to see him get some time with the 1st string team and clearly there is a big difference facing 1st unit players compared to backup players.

 

[Stautner]

I agree. I was thrilled with Harris play in the Denver game but that is just a 1st step. I hope to see him get some time with the 1st string team and clearly there is a big difference facing 1st unit players compared to backup players.

Fans just tend to go overboard. Harris had a nice first showing, and I'm excited to see more of him. People just have to keep things in perspective. It's not as if fans haven't seen guys make a great showing before and never amount to anything. It happens all the time. One nice showing is a great first step, but ultimately it is just one showing and the test is how things go over time.

 

[Doomsday101]

Fans just tend to go overboard. Harris had a nice first showing, and I'm excited to see more of him. People just have to keep things in perspective. It's not as if fans haven't seen guys make a great showing before and never amount to anything. It happens all the time. One nice showing is a great first step, but ultimately it is just one showing and the test is how things go over time.

I agree I have no problem saying that I'm excited about him as a prospect. I saw him as a player at ECU and felt good about the selection.

The game vs Denver he lived up to the scouting reports

Harris is a crisp, refined route-runner. Gets in and out of his breaks in a hurry. Can find soft spots in zone coverage. Plucks and snatches the ball away from his frame. Almost built like a running back - can break tackles in the secondary and make the first man miss. Willing to catch the ball in traffic and productive doing so.


Lot of work to do but I like what I see in him and hope he gets some time with 1st unit

 

[ringmaster]

Really, so you truthfully feel that a player who has some success against 3rd teamers and guys who will be cut has proven himself just as capable as a guy who has success against 1st team defenses.

I find that fascinating.

You kinow, if they are all professionals - no distinction as to talent/experience/knowlege etc... then lets just get rid of Romo and Witten and Ware and all those other expensive yahoos and go with the "professinals" who don't cost much.

So none of them aren't professional football players classic post.

I'm not going overboard as to Harris' play against Denver in a preseason game the guy played well against whatever defense was out there and at the end of the day he's a rookie and he was drafted in the 6th round but he has a shot at making the team.

 

[Stautner]

I agree I have no problem saying that I'm excited about him as a prospect. I saw him as a player at ECU and felt good about the selection.

The game vs Denver he lived up to the scouting reports

Harris is a crisp, refined route-runner. Gets in and out of his breaks in a hurry. Can find soft spots in zone coverage. Plucks and snatches the ball away from his frame. Almost built like a running back - can break tackles in the secondary and make the first man miss. Willing to catch the ball in traffic and productive doing so.


Lot of work to do but I like what I see in him and hope he gets some time with 1st unit

A lot of the things you mentioned are a lot higher on the list of reasons to like him than the yardage. Any reasonably fast guy could have run through the ridiculously wide running lane Harris had on the 76 yarder. Seeing him run the proper routes, make the proper reads and catch what was thrown his way provides a much better indication of his promise.

 

[Doomsday101]

A lot of the things you mentioned are a lot higher on the list of reasons to like him than the yardage. Any reasonably fast guy could have run through the ridiculously wide running lane Harris had on the 76 yarder. Seeing him run the proper routes, make the proper reads and catch what was thrown his way provides a much better indication of his promise.

I agree. While the 76 yarder was exciting it was the other grabs he made including the last TD catch that impressed me the most. Like I say with the other guys on the team keep working hard and keep focused on the job at hand everything else will take care of itself.

 

[big dog cowboy]

As for Harris, I just hope folks are realistic and fair with the kid. He has a whole lot of work ahead of him, but had a great start.

Look how many years we gave Stanback. We've proven to be more than willing to wait for our WR's to try and develop.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

i cant believe my thread got so many hits.

 

[Stautner]

I agree. While the 76 yarder was exciting it was the other grabs he made including the last TD catch that impressed me the most. Like I say with the other guys on the team keep working hard and keep focused on the job at hand everything else will take care of itself.

I'm frankly pulling for him to earn playing time. I'm not as convinced as some that Ogletree is really the answer as the No. 3 guy, so I'm all for someone pushing him and getting in on the action.