Dwight Freeney

[MichaelWinicki]

I didn't see this post when I just wrote mine... but that's exactly what I was saying. Freeny is a weakside DE in a 4-3 and that's it. If we do switch to a 4-3, then we already have a pro bowler at that position in Ware.

We'd be stupid to spend a lot on Freeny.

Yep.

You're 100% correct **.

I don't understand why others don't see it.

I guess they have a "George Steinbrenner" complex and feel that spending a ton of money to have 7 first-baseman is good idea-- just in case.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yeah, I'm sure Freeney would just jump at the chance to trash everything he's learned over the last few years and become a linebacker!

Oh-come'on Brain you can do better than that...

You just don't move players around willy-nilly and expect a high level of performance.

Yeah, let's put Freeney in a position where he'd now have coverage responsibilities.

And as far as being a strong-side DE in a 4-3... I say no way. Here's a man that's shorter than I am weighing about 260lbs having to fight through both the OT and the TE on running plays??? BEEEPPPPP.... Wrong answer Brain.

IF we were going to a 4-3 AND didn't have Ware I would agree that Freeney would be a good addition.

But right now he'd be nothing more than another round peg in a square hole. We have enough issues on this defense trying to cover-up for an overpriced SS who can't play his position adequately. At some point lets stop monkeying around and use a scheme that fits the talent we have without having to "shoe-horn" people into rolls and responsibilities that doesn't maximize their performance. And putting Freeney at LB or as a strong-side DE in the 4-3 isn't maximizing his performance.

It would not happen as we would not get him anyways.

But I am of the belief that if you have the talent on a team...you find a way to make it work out.

I have no doubt that freeney could be a 3-4 LB. He has MUCH more speed and athletic ability and exp than Greg Ellis had going in and although greg was not killing people...he really was not so bad compared to what he was doing as a 4-3 DE.

Now...you say let's stop monkeying around...but If we go with a 4-3 coach then what are we doing again? If we go with a different coach...even if it is a 3-4...we are still monkeying around some.

I do know this...unless by some miracle Greg Comes back fully recovered and ready to go with no sign of aging.

Unless Spears somehow remembers how to be a pressure player full time instead of a rare case here and there or Hatcher (which seems to be my hope) turns out to be a full time guy.

We will once again be looking at another DE (no not freeney..as I said that will not happen).

I guess the only thing that would keep things as normal (players) is Todd B being named DC.

However having an unknown on both sides of the ball as DC and OC is a little too much to gamble with considering we will have Norv as HC IMO.

So once again...I KNOW we would not get Freeney...but I have no doubt he could be a 3-4 LB because he has much better talent than Ellis had.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yep.

You're 100% correct **.

I don't understand why others don't see it.

I guess they have a "George Steinbrenner" complex and feel that spending a ton of money to have 7 first-baseman is good idea-- just in case.

And...I don't understand what part of...It will not HAPPEN you guys don't see?

What part is that again?

Ever hear of...devils advocate?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

And...I don't understand what part of...It will not HAPPEN you guys don't see?

What part is that again?

Ever hear of...devils advocate?

Brain am I going to have to come down there and give you the business? :laugh2:

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Brain am I going to have to come down there and give you the business? :laugh2:

Here is something to consider.

We all know it will never happen, at least we should, because the colts will franchise him.

Which means we would have to give up picks AND pay a HUGE contract that I am sure he would demand.

Now...if there were no picks to be given up...if he would agree (for whatever fantasy world reason) to sign for a cheap to decent contract.

In that crazy, once again not going to happen, scenario...would you then be willing to take him?

The reason I ask is the biggest reason to not take him is not that you could not make him work somehow...it would be the price being too high (both in contract and picks).

So what I was getting at...since I said it would not happen, was that with his talent he could indeed play on the cowboys with Ware...it is just the price that would not work out.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Here is something to consider.

We all know it will never happen, at least we should, because the colts will franchise him.

Which means we would have to give up picks AND pay a HUGE contract that I am sure he would demand.

Now...if there were no picks to be given up...if he would agree (for whatever fantasy world reason) to sign for a cheap to decent contract.

In that crazy, once again not going to happen, scenario...would you then be willing to take him?

The reason I ask is the biggest reason to not take him is not that you could not make him work somehow...it would be the price being too high (both in contract and picks).

So what I was getting at...since I said it would not happen, was that with his talent he could indeed play on the cowboys with Ware...it is just the price that would not work out.

Brain I think you have a guilt complex.

 

[superpunk]

I see you baby - shaking that Devil's advocate.

And you're correct. IF we got Freeney on this team, of course there's a place for him. Ellis may not be back full health -we clearly needed help out of the nickel. Picking him up makes no sense, but if we did, he would undoubtedly be a HUGE part of our defense.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Brain I think you have a guilt complex.

Nah.

As my Grandmother would say.

Sometimes you are just ornery.

 

[Big Dakota]

My buddy's a Colts fan. He said Polian was asked on Friday what the situation was and he said they had no intention of having to use the tag on him and BOTH sides expect a quick deal that will make everyone happy. He's going NOWHERE.

 

[Rack]

As reported by Peter King of SI, Dwight Freeney will be a FA. Should the Boys take a looksie since we know we need a serious improvement in the pass rush dept. Though I am keeping in mind that last night he was a no show.

Thoughts, comments?

GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :starspin

What does Peter King's reporting of it have to do with anything? Freeney was gonna be a FA regardless of what King reported.


Freeney will likely get franchised though.

 

[AsthmaField]

And...I don't understand what part of...It will not HAPPEN you guys don't see?

What part is that again?

Ever hear of...devils advocate?

I know exactly where you're coming from BP... and I know you said it'd never happen. I was speaking more in general than replying to anything you wrote.

It isn't that I don't think Freeny could help us. It's that for the amount of money Freeny will be getting, a new position should be out of the question. I wouldn't pay that kind of dough and move him to a position that we really have no idea if he'd play up to that kind of money at.

I'm with you in that if Ellis did it (move to 3-4 OLB), surely Freeny could... and he probably could. He very likely would be better at it that Greg, as a matter of fact. However, we don't know that for sure and for me at least, therein lies the rub. Ellis might have a knack for coverage that Freeny lacks completely, for instance. Not likely, I know, but until we saw Freeny practicing at OLB for a while, we just wouldn't know how he'd handle it.

Spending a fortune to move a player to a new position in a completely different scheme is simply too big a risk. I know, I know... you were strictly talking on Freeny's athleticism and if he'd help us of not... I understand that and agree with you. I'm just telling you that I was not doing that. I was taking his future contract into consideration and that would be a huge factor in me not wanting him.

Now if he came to us at a very reasonable cost, didn't cost us any draft picks, and wanted to play for Dallas... that would be a whole different story. Of course I'd want him at Valley Ranch under those circumstances. I'd put him at LDE in a 4-3 or SOLB in a 3-4 and hope for the best... he certainly has the tools to excel... We'd be a terror on passing downs, that's for sure.

Probably not so much on run plays though.

 

[WoodysGirl]

My random contribution to the thread...

Michelle Williams (formerly of Destiny's Child)

I heard Michelle was kickin' it with a NFLer....so maybe the rumors are true.