Eagles admit they were trying to play for a DPI in Seahawks game

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I don't understand how the league doesn't crack down on the false starts.
So I have dug into this a bit and actually get a lot of Eagles games here. So I've gone back and watched these and slowed them down.

People's eyes play tricks on them because they often look for the QB to move to acknowledge the snap of the ball but by rule, once the OC starts moving it, the OL can move. And if you watch, a lot of times, Johnson actually starts his move as Kelce starts his snap, so technically not a false start.

That being said, there are times he clearly moves first. There were a couple in the Chiefs game, I believe, where I went back and Kelce hadn't even moved and Johnson was dropping back. The reality is Johnson and Kelce have it timed really well and it works so I wonder if the refs just assume it's legit because they typically pull it off.
 

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I can't understand why they would do something that stupid considering the defense the Seahawks were playing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked to me like the Seahawks were in prevent touchdown mode, and more than willing to concede the FG. The Eagles had guys open underneath with no one near them.

You take those kinds of shots when the defense is playing you up close and tight, you throw it up to the guy in single coverage deep. Not throw it into coverage when the D is 20 yards off the ball.
 

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So I have dug into this a bit and actually get a lot of Eagles games here. So I've gone back and watched these and slowed them down.

People's eyes play tricks on them because they often look for the QB to move to acknowledge the snap of the ball but by rule, once the OC starts moving it, the OL can move. And if you watch, a lot of times, Johnson actually starts his move as Kelce starts his snap, so technically not a false start.

That being said, there are times he clearly moves first. There were a couple in the Chiefs game, I believe, where I went back and Kelce hadn't even moved and Johnson was dropping back. The reality is Johnson and Kelce have it timed really well and it works so I wonder if the refs just assume it's legit because they typically pull it off.
I'm thinking that maybe their vision is blocked by a receiver sometimes.
 

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So I have dug into this a bit and actually get a lot of Eagles games here. So I've gone back and watched these and slowed them down.

People's eyes play tricks on them because they often look for the QB to move to acknowledge the snap of the ball but by rule, once the OC starts moving it, the OL can move. And if you watch, a lot of times, Johnson actually starts his move as Kelce starts his snap, so technically not a false start.

That being said, there are times he clearly moves first. There were a couple in the Chiefs game, I believe, where I went back and Kelce hadn't even moved and Johnson was dropping back. The reality is Johnson and Kelce have it timed really well and it works so I wonder if the refs just assume it's legit because they typically pull it off.
Kelce said himself that's what he does and got it from Jason Peters. I can't imagine he hasn't cleared it with the refs a billion times to cover every ref crew.
 

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Kelce said himself that's what he does and got it from Jason Peters. I can't imagine he hasn't cleared it with the refs a billion times to cover every ref crew.
Most likely but even still there are times when he clearly jumps first and it's not particularly close. Why those aren't getting called, I don't know but I suspect reputation likely has a role in it.

It also came out this week that Kelce admitted he's been told numerous times by officials that he's moving the ball too far forward prior to the snap. He got called for it in the Seattle game on that one tush push attempt.
 

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I think the tush push will be outlawed next year. But for now, the offsides by Philly has to be called offensively. They cheat.
 

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Best part of the Seattle game other than Philly losing was watching Bobby Wagner basically crowd surf on all those tush pushes.

What eventually might stop that play is when a defender launches himself into Hurts, who has his head down, and he starts taking head shots. I am actually surprising it hasn't happened yet.
 

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the coaching is so bad in Philly that the plan is to just throw the ball up and pray for a flag. Can't blame them, the refs been on their side all year. Sirianni figured the fix was in I guess.
 

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Kelce admits he's been warned many times previously for moving the ball forward


Jason Kelce blames himself for penalty: They’ve been warning me for years​


Kelce said that he has been warned many times not to move the ball forward before snapping it, and this time the officials stopped with the warnings and threw the flag.

“They’ve been warning me of that for years,” Kelce said. “I had a tendency to do that in the past so they’ve definitely warned me before. I’ve got to be smarter, especially in that situation.”

Kelce said that because it was third-and-inches, the officials weren’t going to tolerate him moving the ball forward at all, as that would be basically moving the ball across the line to gain. Kelce thinks that if it hadn’t been such a short-yardage situation, the officials would have let it go.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...-for-penalty-theyve-been-warning-me-for-years
 

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Kelce said himself that's what he does and got it from Jason Peters. I can't imagine he hasn't cleared it with the refs a billion times to cover every ref crew.
It's Lane Johnson who you're thinking of, and Lane freely admitted that he goes early sometimes.

Cute how you're so determined to make excuses for the refs though.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 

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Kelce admits he's been warned many times previously for moving the ball forward


Jason Kelce blames himself for penalty: They’ve been warning me for years​


Kelce said that he has been warned many times not to move the ball forward before snapping it, and this time the officials stopped with the warnings and threw the flag.

“They’ve been warning me of that for years,” Kelce said. “I had a tendency to do that in the past so they’ve definitely warned me before. I’ve got to be smarter, especially in that situation.”

Kelce said that because it was third-and-inches, the officials weren’t going to tolerate him moving the ball forward at all, as that would be basically moving the ball across the line to gain. Kelce thinks that if it hadn’t been such a short-yardage situation, the officials would have let it go.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...-for-penalty-theyve-been-warning-me-for-years
No surprise there.

Cheating, illegitimate POS team.
 

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So I have dug into this a bit and actually get a lot of Eagles games here. So I've gone back and watched these and slowed them down.

People's eyes play tricks on them because they often look for the QB to move to acknowledge the snap of the ball but by rule, once the OC starts moving it, the OL can move. And if you watch, a lot of times, Johnson actually starts his move as Kelce starts his snap, so technically not a false start.

That being said, there are times he clearly moves first. There were a couple in the Chiefs game, I believe, where I went back and Kelce hadn't even moved and Johnson was dropping back. The reality is Johnson and Kelce have it timed really well and it works so I wonder if the refs just assume it's legit because they typically pull it off.
there is no way he times is perfectly all the time
 

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It was a stupid play call and an even dumber throw. Gainwell was wide open underneath for a gain that would’ve easily gotten them in FG range and probably would’ve given them a couple shots at the end zone.
 

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DPI should be a 15 yard penalty.
I think it needs to be 2-tiered. A WR that has a step on the DB and would score or have a long gain, but the DB grabs him to prevent the big play should be a spot foul. Otherwise, make it 15 yards.
 
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