Eagles braintrust gave a no-name their HC job in 1999 based largely on one intangible

[CATCH17]

No one heard your screams then and no one is hearing your screams now. Maybe one day...l

I didn’t like the coaches that were available but I would’ve liked Dallas to have gone with Kingsbury.

But Dallas loves their continuity.

I don’t understand why they gave Schottenheimer a 4 year deal.

 

[jgboys1]

Hell yeah!! Just don't turn your helmet around!

Why?
They are easier to watch that way!

 

[StarOfGlory]

No doubt Andy Reid is a great coach but that was not the necessarily case in Philly. Reid saddled himself with Donovan McNabb. He later got the QB right with Mahomes. Reid also coached in a very depleted NFC. The year he made the Super Bowl, if I remember correctly, there were only 3 or 4 teams over .500 in the NFC. Now he coaches in a stacked AFC. Reid was a good coach in Philly but needed to leave to become great.

McNabb was good his first six years. He used the combination of T.O. and Westbrook very well. Bad QB's don't lead a team to four straight NFCCG's.

I know Jon Runyon. Juan Castillo, the Eagles o-line coach, was my neighbor when I lived in Mt. Laurel (NJ), and I met a number of lineman at his house. Runyon was later elected to the House of Representatives for two terms, representing my district. He said Reid was a great coach but could be locked in a mindset from time to time. He said that during the Super Bowl, him and the other linemen were practically begging him to run the ball on that last drive because they were blowing the Patriot linemen off the ball. It looks like Reid finally learned, watching him run the ball the second half against the Eagles in the 2022 SB.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

No doubt Andy Reid is a great coach but that was not the necessarily case in Philly. Reid saddled himself with Donovan McNabb. He later got the QB right with Mahomes. Reid also coached in a very depleted NFC. The year he made the Super Bowl, if I remember correctly, there were only 3 or 4 teams over .500 in the NFC. Now he coaches in a stacked AFC. Reid was a good coach in Philly but needed to leave to become great.

Uh McNabb is a whisker away from being a HOF player.

 

[Ranching]

I didn’t like the coaches that were available but I would’ve liked Dallas to have gone with Kingsbury.

But Dallas loves their continuity.

I don’t understand why they gave Schottenheimer a 4 year deal.

I like him too....for many, it takes failing at one job to learn the ropes and do better, their second time around

 

[khiladi]

Is it Reid or Mahomes? Which would you rather have?

At that point, there was no Mahomes. So Reid…. We may have drafted him if we had Reid…

 

[khiladi]

I didn’t like the coaches that were available but I would’ve liked Dallas to have gone with Kingsbury.

But Dallas loves their continuity.

I don’t understand why they gave Schottenheimer a 4 year deal.

Brady from the Bills, Todd Monken from the Ravens… fresh change

 

[tunahelper]

Confused. Allow me to try to understand better...


... that wasn't a sarcastic take?

So, you're asserting that by not hiring a "real football coach," DAL caught lightning in a bottle? That Reid wasn't a "real football coach?"

Huh?

Dunno.

Suffice it to say, regardless, that the people who hired Reid back when obviously chose to give added weight to factors that are very difficult to assess, not quantitative. I do tend to think you're not wrong about the lightning in a bottle thing (insofar as the measure of the lightning is participation in a Super Bowl) because, in fact, I do think HC hiring is more about hiring any of many coaches who, given an adequate roster, are capable of getting a team to a Super Bowl. HC hiring is overrated. It's important. No doubt. But it's not quite as important as it gets made out to be with regularity, because it gets made out to be even more important than talent inventory.

30 years and ticking so I don't buy it. Hopefully I am wrong because that would be great if B.S. is the answer (pun intended).

 

[Ranching]

At that point, there was no Mahomes. So Reid…. We may have drafted him if we had Reid…

Wonder what his record was pre Mahomes and with....don't matter, we have BS! Lol

 

[sunalsorises]

Uh McNabb is a whisker away from being a HOF player.

My contention is that McNabb was an average player at best and Andy Reid made him that much better. McNabb had accuracy issues with a career completion percentage under 60.

 

[sunalsorises]

McNabb was good his first six years. He used the combination of T.O. and Westbrook very well. Bad QB's don't lead a team to four straight NFCCG's.

I know Jon Runyon. Juan Castillo, the Eagles o-line coach, was my neighbor when I lived in Mt. Laurel (NJ), and I met a number of lineman at his house. Runyon was later elected to the House of Representatives for two terms, representing my district. He said Reid was a great coach but could be locked in a mindset from time to time. He said that during the Super Bowl, him and the other linemen were practically begging him to run the ball on that last drive because they were blowing the Patriot linemen off the ball. It looks like Reid finally learned, watching him run the ball the second half against the Eagles in the 2022 SB.

Reid also had some family issues toward the end in Philly. His son was sent to Graterford.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

That intangible? Well, it's kinda two, but see highlighted below.

(And. Seems relevant for obvious reasons.)


https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/14/joe-banner-jeffrey-lurie-hiring-andy-reid



......Our study, which focused on coaches who had been to multiple Super Bowls, showed that from a football perspective there were few common threads. Some coaches came up on defense, others on offense. Some believed in throwing the ball all over the yard, others were resolute in running it. Some had extensive play-calling experience on one side of the ball or the other. Others didn’t. There was nothing there.

When we moved from there to character and personality, suddenly everything crystalized. All of these coaches were very detail-oriented, to the point where it drove those around them crazy. They were exceptional at evaluating people, and could apply that not just with players, but with coaches and scouts and support staff alike.

Above all else, they all were grounded in their philosophy, which wasn’t just a facsimile of the belief system held by others with whom they had worked. The individual philosophies differed, but all of them had a passion for their way.

We had our blueprint, and expected our lineup would look different from what the Ravens, Browns, Chiefs, Chargers, Seahawks, Panthers, Bears, and Packers put together that January. And it most certainly did.

As it turned out, we wound up with two defensive coordinators on our short list—Pittsburgh’s Jim Haslett and Oakland’s Willie Shaw—and the quarterbacks coach from Green Bay who’d spent most of his career coaching offensive linemen.

I don’t recall who first raised Andy’s name to us. What I do remember is panning coaches and players and agents, and laying out our criteria for the job, and asking, “Give me the name of someone, regardless of job or title, whom you’ve met and immediately thought, ‘This guy is a great leader.’” And Andy’s name kept coming up..............

Really don't think the philthy coach is that good, he plays his part certainly, but it's the front office that wins in Philly.

 

[RFABR]

Good. We got our Reid. Any timetable for our Mahomes?

 

[windward]

Fans like OP are why Jerry doesn't have to care.

Yep, the spin from some fans is remarkably entertaining

Y’all really suck at reading comprehension.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Brian Schottenheimer is not a no-name. He's pretty well-known since he's been around the league for over 20 years. But the league has known enough about him to NOT hire him as a HC!

 

[garyo1954]

I don't see the parallel.
Booger has proven he is an exception to every rule of, 'How to Pick a Successful Head Coach."

You look at it every first time super bowl coach has one thing in common.

It was their first time.

 

[Dools29]

A cheap Andy Reid. I like it!

 

[calicowboy54]

I didn’t like the coaches that were available but I would’ve liked Dallas to have gone with Kingsbury.

But Dallas loves their continuity.

I don’t understand why they gave Schottenheimer a 4 year deal.

Dak has an out at 4 years same as CeeDee. you will see them try next 4 years if it fails they blow it up and reset

 

[BigD5]

Lol cowboy fans…. Almost as embarrassing as Jerry

 

[irishline]

Wonder what his record was pre Mahomes and with....don't matter, we have BS! Lol

I will tell you this, it was a hell of a lot better than Belichick's was without Brady. But when we mentioned that during the Belichick to Dallas days we were told we don't know football.

Reid (without Mahomes): 171-120 (19 seasons, 16 winning seasons, 13 playoff appearances, 5 championship appearances, 1 Super Bowl appearance).
Belichick (without Brady): 81-100 (11 seasons, 3 winning seasons, 3 playoff appearances) - this includes the Matt Cassel season.

But yes, just like with Belichick and Brady, Reid's got better after Mahomes showed up.

Edit: The above comments about Belichick above were not meant to insinuate he was not a good coach, just that both a good coach and QB is what really matters to be that dominant, and that it was highly doubtful he would have had nearly the same success here.