Twitter: Eagles DC Jim Schwartz leaving team

[ghst187]

Is he the guy that got in trouble for Ralphie using the F word?

 

[gjkoeppen]

The contract problem is for Philly.
Wentz only has a 15M base next year.
The issue is the 60M in dead money PHI would have to eat.
Wentz may have to actually pay back like 20M to get out of town.
Let INDY pick up his 15M base for 2021 and make the 22M base of 2022 GTD.
OR just extend him now and pay the 20M to Wentz as a bonus and drop the next two seasons bases by 10M each year to make it work.
He'd have to remove some GTD protections from future seasons in all llikelihood.

Were I a GM with a good team but no QB or top 15 pick I'd kick tires on Wentz at that type cost.
But I'd probably only wanna trade off a 2022 conditional pick that was only R1 if he made All Pro, R2 is he made Pro Bowl or R3 if he started 10+ games.
Miss all those and it is R4.

Such a crazy situation.
This is why you never draft a guy like Hurts R2 when you have just locked yourself in at QB.
It's no mans land really.

You are wrong. Bonus money like signing bonus money that paid up front and is averaged out over the life of the contract are the original team's dead money, but bonuses tied to things like roster and option bonuses are part of the contract and they go with the contract. So to trade for Wentz after this season the team that wants Wentz will be saddled with 30.4 mil for the 2021 season. 15.4 mil salary, 10 mil roster and 6 mil option. Again with a smaller cap and the season Wentz had and his injury history and having to give up draft capital (I'll get to that in a minute). It will be cheaper money wise and draft capital wise to resign Rivers for another year and hope that the cap goes up again in 2022 and work on getting another QB then.

Now your draft capital. First Hurst is a rookie on a rookie contract so Wentz's contract won't cripple them if Hurts is declared the starter next season. Wentz will then become another Dalton as a former starter that is a backup and if Hurts gets hurt (ha ha ) Wentz can go back in or if Hurts has the sophomore slump Wentz can go back in so your sliding draft pick would probably be rejected by Philly. They know they traded up to get the 2nd pick to get Wentz so if they were to trade him they won't do it as cheaply as you think because of Hurts rookie salary and they can't even start to try to extend him until after his 3rd season. After the 2021 season contract wise it will be easier to trade Wentz.

Gee Rodgers is locked up for several more years who is MANY MANY times better than Wentz and the packers used a 1st round pick this year on a QB.
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[jterrell]

You are wrong. Bonus money like signing bonus money that paid up front and is averaged out over the life of the contract are the original team's dead money, but bonuses tied to things like roster and option bonuses are part of the contract and they go with the contract. So to trade for Wentz after this season the team that wants Wentz will be saddled with 30.4 mil for the 2021 season. 15.4 mil salary, 10 mil roster and 6 mil option. Again with a smaller cap and the season Wentz had and his injury history and having to give up draft capital (I'll get to that in a minute). It will be cheaper money wise and draft capital wise to resign Rivers for another year and hope that the cap goes up again in 2022 and work on getting another QB then.

Now your draft capital. First Hurst is a rookie on a rookie contract so Wentz's contract won't cripple them if Hurts is declared the starter next season. Wentz will then become another Dalton as a former starter that is a backup and if Hurts gets hurt (ha ha ) Wentz can go back in or if Hurts has the sophomore slump Wentz can go back in so your sliding draft pick would probably be rejected by Philly. They know they traded up to get the 2nd pick to get Wentz so if they were to trade him they won't do it as cheaply as you think because of Hurts rookie salary and they can't even start to try to extend him until after his 3rd season. After the 2021 season contract wise it will be easier to trade Wentz.

Gee Rodgers is locked up for several more years who is MANY MANY times better than Wentz and the packers used a 1st round pick this year on a QB.
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Wentz 10M bonus is due Mar 19th. If he is traded before then a team would pick that cost up.
The 6M would be an Eagles proration charge regardless though it may or may not hit until 2022 because they paid it and cost versus cap hits team that paid it out.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-examination-of-his-contract-tells-the-story/

An acquiring team would have Wentz under contract for $98.4 million over four years averaging $24.6 million per year. That would be pretty cost effective provided Wentz could resurrect his career. It would really only be a two-year commitment for $47.4 million because of the guarantees. After 2022, the acquiring team could exit the deal without any dead money or residual cap charges.

Theoretically, the Eagles could wait until after training camps opened and trade Wentz if a team lost its starting quarterback to a season-ending injury, like when Sam Bradford was dealt to the Vikings late in the 2016 preseason after Teddy Bridgewater's career-threatening knee injury. Although Philadelphia would be eating the $10 million roster bonus under this scenario, $15.4 million of 2021 cap room would be gained leaving $19,273,536 of dead money. That's because the acceleration of the bonus proration in future contract years would be delayed until the 2022 league year since that trade would be happening after June 1.


Just like with the use of the Post-June 1 designation, the Eagles would have a $24,547,075 cap charge in 2022 relating to the bonus proration in Wentz's 2022 through 2024 contract years and nothing afterward.


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Eagles best bet to maximize trade return is to make a trade post Mar 19th and it would only cost a receiving team 15.4M in cap space in 2021.
It would cost the Eagles a fortune in dead cap but it could be spread over 2021 at +19M and 2022 at 24M.

For the Eagles to get there they'd likely need to cut or trade some expensive vets but when you are in last place in a bad division and likely turning over both coordinators it is a good time to do so.
They are in rebuilding mode now.

Ertz, DeSean Jackson, Alshon Jeffrey gotta go. Save 17M.
They'll restructure Darius Slay and a few others to create space as well.
They are definitely cap tied like crazy but won't be spending anything beyond rookies IMO.

 

[cowboyed]

I loved working at cern so much, i never would have retired, save for the fact they have a mandatory retirement age.

Are you posting about "Conseil Européen pour la Recherche Nucléaire", or European Council for Nuclear Research? That would be amazing if you retired from there.

 

[JBond]

Hey Jim, come on down. Better weather and people in the Great State of Texas.

Get it done Big Mike.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Wentz 10M bonus is due Mar 19th. If he is traded before then a team would pick that cost up.
The 6M would be an Eagles proration charge regardless though it may or may not hit until 2022 because they paid it and cost versus cap hits team that paid it out.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-examination-of-his-contract-tells-the-story/

An acquiring team would have Wentz under contract for $98.4 million over four years averaging $24.6 million per year. That would be pretty cost effective provided Wentz could resurrect his career. It would really only be a two-year commitment for $47.4 million because of the guarantees. After 2022, the acquiring team could exit the deal without any dead money or residual cap charges.

Theoretically, the Eagles could wait until after training camps opened and trade Wentz if a team lost its starting quarterback to a season-ending injury, like when Sam Bradford was dealt to the Vikings late in the 2016 preseason after Teddy Bridgewater's career-threatening knee injury. Although Philadelphia would be eating the $10 million roster bonus under this scenario, $15.4 million of 2021 cap room would be gained leaving $19,273,536 of dead money. That's because the acceleration of the bonus proration in future contract years would be delayed until the 2022 league year since that trade would be happening after June 1.


Just like with the use of the Post-June 1 designation, the Eagles would have a $24,547,075 cap charge in 2022 relating to the bonus proration in Wentz's 2022 through 2024 contract years and nothing afterward.


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Eagles best bet to maximize trade return is to make a trade post Mar 19th and it would only cost a receiving team 15.4M in cap space in 2021.
It would cost the Eagles a fortune in dead cap but it could be spread over 2021 at +19M and 2022 at 24M.

For the Eagles to get there they'd likely need to cut or trade some expensive vets but when you are in last place in a bad division and likely turning over both coordinators it is a good time to do so.
They are in rebuilding mode now.

Ertz, DeSean Jackson, Alshon Jeffrey gotta go. Save 17M.
They'll restructure Darius Slay and a few others to create space as well.
They are definitely cap tied like crazy but won't be spending anything beyond rookies IMO.

You think that getting paid bonus money up front like a signing bonus and other guaranteed money are the same. Because the portions of salary and roster and option bonuses are paid on a yearly basis, they are tied to the contract not averaged out over the life of the contract like signing bonuses are. Lots of players have guaranteed money in their contract but if traded what parts of that guaranteed money paid on yearly basis goes to the team that trades for the player, not the original team. There was a time when players got a huge boat load of money as a signing bonus and teams got away from that because if they wanted to someday trade that player all that bonus money was spread out over the entire contract and the team would have to eat it. Now they pay roster bonus and option bonus that get paid on a yearly basis so if they decide to someday trade that player they don't have all the bonus money count against their cap because it's tied to the contract and not paid up front.

As I originally said, that with the play of Wentz this season, his injury history and his contract and with a smaller cap for next year teams aren't going to give up trade capital for a QB that is now a reclamation project.
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[Majic]

Hey Jim, come on down. Better weather and people in the Great State of Texas.

Get it done Big Mike.

No Thanks

 

[Portnoy1]

Maybe, the Eagles can hire Nolan.

I'd love that. Dropping Fletcher, Graham and all those pass rushers into coverage all game long, and then rushing there trash DBs