Eagles own Saints 1st rd pick

nate dizzle said:
I guess we'll see about Philly. Eagles could fall off. As for us last year, we were the kings of our division and got wrecked by the 3rd best team in the west. So make of it what you will. Most of us had a good feeling going in that our record was propped up by beating weak teams. Hopefully this year will be different.
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Being battle hardened is great if you wind up making the playoffs or get home field. But its not good if it costs you a playoff run.
 
CowboyRoy said:
Wanting the division to be tough. Makes little sense. The Cowboys arent good this year because Philly is good. Much rather have the playoff and home field wrapped up.
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who said anything about the cowboys not being good? They are in fact I think they are better than Philly. As far as the last sentence goes homefied advantage has not been much advantage for the cowboys in the playoffs
 
mcmvp said:
Im pretty sure any team starting Andy Dalton is not really trying to win

Plus the just lost Michael Thomas for the season
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Yeah, but that division is pretty weak. Even with Tom Baby.
 
jterrell said:
ROFL, Stop the cap.

You guys need to catch up with reality.
This is the Eagles 2023 haul.
  • First-round pick (own)
  • First-round pick (via New Orleans in 2022 draft pick trade)
  • Second-round pick (own)
  • Third-round pick (own)
  • Seventh-round pick (own)
  • Seventh-round pick (via Minnesota in Jalen Reagor trade)
They will gain an insanely good pick from the Saints to be sure. But that's really the extent of their draft capital.
End of round picks then no meat in middle of the draft at all.
If they are smart they will trade down with that Saints pick and try to make up for all the picks they traded off.
R1 picks cost you real cap dollars and lock in to be paid extremely well if extended.
Hitting on picks in round 2-5 matters a whole lot.

The Eagles deserve credit for getting a good trade worked out for Wentz but that is absolutely it.
They are on path to do to Hurts exactly what they did to Wentz and ruin him before they pay him.
When he gets that money this off-season the veteran heavy team around him will be slowly dying off.

As to the rest:
The Eagles won a SB going all in and then went 5 years without winning more than 9 games.
The cap is a mess with Jaylon Hurts current estimated market value at 44M a year. And they have to pay him THIS off-season or let him hit free agency as Dak did.
The Eagles cannot draft and have 8 starters hitting free agent for 2023.
Instead of using Hurts cheap season here to get ahead on the cap they sold out.
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I tried to hammer this concept during the offseason. Not many seemed to agree with it or grasp it as much as I like to view it through this perspective. It doesn't matter which round you pick in nearly as much as your evaluation.

Your evaluation is really all that matters. Because if you get that right, it doesn't really matter where you are in whichever round.

Personally, I think Jerry made a small dent in the value of draft picks as bargaining chips in trades by trading Cooper for a 5th. Back in the day, a move like that could have cost teams two 1st round picks. I'd say Galloway and Cooper are on about the same level. Amari is probably a little bit better.
 
CowboyRoy said:
True but last year SF was just better than us. As they were GB the next week.
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Right, like I said, the 3rd best team in a really tough division did a lot of damage in the playoffs, on the road, against division winners from weaker divisions.
 
nate dizzle said:
Right, like I said, the 3rd best team in a really tough division did a lot of damage in the playoffs, on the road, against division winners from weaker divisions.
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Your the chicken or the egg thing.

You are insinuating that those teams were good because the division was good. Im saying the division was good because those teams that made it up were good.

SF was good because they had a hell of a team. Better than the Cowboys. Nothing to do with other teams in their own division being good.
 
jterrell said:
And they have to pay him THIS off-season or let him hit free agency as Dak did.
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Actually,they have another year......he's a free agent after 2023 but I'm guessing his agent will try and force the issues after this season with the kind of year he's having. In other words, don't be surprised to hear threats of him missing OTAs and/or training camp if the Eagles try and wait until 2024.

From the Eagles' perspective, it's understandable they may want to see more than one year before offering a top 10/5 long-term deal. Hell, I would too.......as good as he's playing this year, you have to know if it's sustainable and if so, how much. How does he respond to adversity? I remember one of Parcell's comments about Romo first few games when he balling and there was hype all over. As Parcell put it, let's see how he responds with last min 4th quarter drive where he's lost a couple of weapons and all his teammates are looking to him to pull it off. In other words, how he handles pressure. I'm not sure Hurts has gone through that grind yet. Not saying he can't handle it but I would need to see it before offering a long-term deal.



https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philade... Contract,average annual salary of $1,506,293.
 
atlantacowboy said:
That's going to be an interesting. Hurts is a good QB, but my bet is that Howie will prefer not to do anything that's going to hamstring him financially. They moved on from Foles after a super bowl. They got rid of Wentz.........not sure what the bar is going to be for Hurts to get a big long term deal.
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Truth is, he doesn't have to do anything with Hurts until after the 2023 season, and can tag him then. So in reality, he can sit on Hurts for the next couple of years and there's nothing Hurts can do.
 
starfan1 said:
who said anything about the cowboys not being good? They are in fact I think they are better than Philly. As far as the last sentence goes homefied advantage has not been much advantage for the cowboys in the playoffs
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Nobody said anything about the Cowboys not being good. And neither did I.
 
Pass2Run said:
I tried to hammer this concept during the offseason. Not many seemed to agree with it or grasp it as much as I like to view it through this perspective. It doesn't matter which round you pick in nearly as much as your evaluation.

Your evaluation is really all that matters. Because if you get that right, it doesn't really matter where you are in whichever round.

Personally, I think Jerry made a small dent in the value of draft picks as bargaining chips in trades by trading Cooper for a 5th. Back in the day, a move like that could have cost teams two 1st round picks. I'd say Galloway and Cooper are on about the same level. Amari is probably a little bit better.
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And Jerry was the only GM fool enough to make that Galloway trade. You forget that most teams have much smarter people running the team. So, its harder to make those trades.
 
PAPPYDOG said:
Their GM will be moving up to select a QB..........Ya his name isn't Jerry.:muttley:
The Gagles are looking to take over the NFC East for the upcoming years and they are not hiding this fact.
Our options are few as the Cap will have us handcuffed.
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I don't think they're in a rush to replace Jalen Hurts.
 
nate dizzle said:
So you're thinking they will trade him? That would certainly be a shocker to the NFL world if he remains in the MVP conversation or even comes close in the voting. Not saying they wouldn't do it but if he keeps things rolling like he has been this season, that would definitely be a ballsy move.
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Look at some of the QB's that got big money extensions: Rodgers, Wilson, Murray, Watson, Carr, Stafford

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That is their combined team records so far this season. There is something to be said about NOT committing big money to QB's who may be viewed at average or slightly above average.
 
CowboyRoy said:
Your the chicken or the egg thing.

You are insinuating that those teams were good because the division was good. Im saying the division was good because those teams that made it up were good.

SF was good because they had a hell of a team. Better than the Cowboys. Nothing to do with other teams in their own division being good.
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When all you do is beat up on dumpster teams, you don't ever have to raise your level of play, and then a team who has been facing stiff competition all year walks in and kicks your *** up and down the field, you have to question whether playing in a tougher division helps. IMO, it does.
 
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USArmyVet said:
Look at some of the QB's that got big money extensions: Rodgers, Wilson, Murray, Watson, Carr, Stafford

17-33


That is their combined team records so far this season. There is something to be said about NOT committing big money to QB's who may be viewed at average or slightly above average.
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Yes for the fans who don’t consider why they’re struggling.
 
nate dizzle said:
When all you do is beat up on dumpster teams, you don't ever have to raise your level of play, and then a team who has been facing stiff competition all year walks in and kicks your *** up and down the field, you have to question whether playing in a tougher division helps. IMO, it does.
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Wow, what insight.
 
nate dizzle said:
So you're thinking they will trade him? That would certainly be a shocker to the NFL world if he remains in the MVP conversation or even comes close in the voting. Not saying they wouldn't do it but if he keeps things rolling like he has been this season, that would definitely be a ballsy move.
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I think it remains uncertain at this point. But Howie is a man that likes to keep his options open. That’s why I would be shocked if he did not draft another QB in the early rounds in the next year or two.
 
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