Eagles owner regrets signing owens

[Stash]

Vincent, Taylor were on their last legs - that was a good decision.

Maybe. But Vincent is still playing and playing fairly well.

Trotters knees were a big ?

He seems to be managing OK on those bad knees.....

Corey Simon was a fat slob

Who Indianapolis is thrilled to have and the Eagles are still trying to replace.

T.O. had a signing discount based on prior behavior and like Magist said you don't give raises to Employees who are causing trouble (and we don't even know what problems were already going on in 2004

I didn't see much "trouble" before his comeback for the Super Bowl. That's when the Eagles should have approached him. But they don't do that.

Any comments about all of the rest on that list?

Not to mention the fight Westbrook went through to get his money.......

 

[Longboysfan]

What you should have learned is that you screwed yourself by being a cheap arse owner and not paying a vocal self-centered high profile star player his market value, especially after he did what he did to get back in time for the superbowl. You really set yourself up for that one.

Fortunately, JJ is smart enough to figure that out and I don't expect the Cowboys to have any of the problems that Philly did.

BINGO... BINGO......

We have a winner here....

Eagle management is so scared to step in and do anything they let the fire burn out of control on the Owens issue last year.

They could have slipped an incentive clause into the contract - or bulked the current one there - to give TO some more $$$ and close the issue fast.
They had the CAP money to do it.

The only player on the Eagles paid what he is worth is .......

But McNabb is getting about 8 to 10 Mil a year.:laugh1: :laugh2:

You and the Dallas Cowboys are in the spot-light now. And it's a media frenzy waiting to happen.

Yes. We are. But the contract we gave Owens is well beyond what the Eagles did. Also there is a coach here that will talk to him and set him on the right path before the fire is started.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Yes. We are. But the contract we gave Owens is well beyond what the Eagles did. Also there is a coach here that will talk to him and set him on the right path before the fire is started.

I have no problem with your optimism. More contract money means more to lose.

 

[Longboysfan]

I have no problem with your optimism. More contract money means more to lose.

Yes. We have a bigger gamble and hence a bigger gain to make.
Hopefully we got the contract issue right the first time.
But you are correct on that point.

 

[Stash]

Yes. We have a bigger gamble and hence a bigger gain to make.
Hopefully we got the contract issue right the first time.
But you are correct on that point.

It's a gamble to be sure, but it could payoff in the Eagles biggest nightmare.

Their hated rivals in Dallas, along with the hated Terrell Owens could win the championship that they never could.

I know plenty of Eagles fans and they're all jealous Cowboys haters, seeing Owens and the Cowboys win another championship would kill them.

Then we'd have to fix this "Smilie":

:lombardi:

While this one would remain the same.....

:trophy:

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Originally Posted by Phoenix-Talon
You and the Dallas Cowboys are in the spot-light now. And it's a media frenzy waiting to happen.

Yes. We are. But the contract we gave Owens is well beyond what the Eagles did. Also there is a coach here that will talk to him and set him on the right path before the fire is started.

WE ARE ALWAYS in the spotlight... you should thank TO for giving the Eagles the exposure they never had... never will again.

We on the other hand are in the news no matter what. More to gamble, more to lose. Thats the way it should be..... what are the option play for nothing???

 

[aikemirv]

Maybe. But Vincent is still playing and playing fairly well.



He seems to be managing OK on those bad knees.....



Who Indianapolis is thrilled to have and the Eagles are still trying to replace.



I didn't see much "trouble" before his comeback for the Super Bowl. That's when the Eagles should have approached him. But they don't do that.

Any comments about all of the rest on that list?

Not to mention the fight Westbrook went through to get his money.......

We always hear compalints when teams hold onto their aging stars too long. Philly did not do that with Taylor and Vincent.

They decided to not make a huge investment in Trotter and he ended up coming back to them a year later at a reduced amount. - Boy, that seems like a good move if you ask me.

Yeah, lets invest a ton of money in a fat slob lineman that continues to have trouble keeping his weight down - I still don't see how you fault them for that. He had to be 400 lbs when he showed up in Indy - how can you condone reupping a guy like that.

Westbrook got a 5 yr , 25 million contract - so he had to work for it - I beleive Emmitt had to work for a new contract one time with the Cowboys!

Every team lets go of players that the deem a bit less valuable as far as the rest of the list goes. I think the Cowboys did it with Norton, Stepnowski, Godfrey to name a few.

He signed a contract that people warned him not to sign and then when the Eagl;es, after 1 yr mind you, are not willing to redo, you are blaming them.

It is really quite funny the depths that many Cowboy fans will now go to to defend T.O.

 

[Stash]

We always hear compalints when teams hold onto their aging stars too long. Philly did not do that with Taylor and Vincent.

I'd say the did make the right decision there, but Vincent was a solid, loyal player who wanted to finish up in Philadelphia. He could have stayed and played well in Philly.

They decided to not make a huge investment in Trotter and he ended up coming back to them a year later at a reduced amount. - Boy, that seems like a good move if you ask me.

Ended up working to their advantage since the rest of the league wasn't smart enough to sign him. Doesn't change the fact that they low-balled yet another player.

Yeah, lets invest a ton of money in a fat slob lineman that continues to have trouble keeping his weight down - I still don't see how you fault them for that. He had to be 400 lbs when he showed up in Indy - how can you condone reupping a guy like that.

Maybe you should do some homework. He played well last season despite the weight and now has dropped a lot of it and showed up in much better shape. The Eagles have since invested two first-round picks in an effort to replace him.

Westbrook got a 5 yr , 25 million contract - so he had to work for it - I beleive Emmitt had to work for a new contract one time with the Cowboys!

And he had to fight and hold out to get it. Emmitt did as well, but his case was the exception in Dallas, not the rule like in Philadelphia.

How about their previous #1 running back Staley? How'd they treat him?

Every team lets go of players that the deem a bit less valuable as far as the rest of the list goes. I think the Cowboys did it with Norton, Stepnowski, Godfrey to name a few.

The Cowboys' issues were cap-related - as in no room. The Eagles have more than enough money - they just don't spend it. They have about $15-$18 million they're currently sitting on. Ask Brian Dawkins how he feels about that.

He signed a contract that people warned him not to sign and then when the Eagl;es, after 1 yr mind you, are not willing to redo, you are blaming them.

A deal sent to him by an Eagles team looking to take advantage of his situation. A deal so bad that the players' union advised him not to sign it. Real nice dealing on the Eagles' part, huh?

It is really quite funny the depths that many Cowboy fans will now go to to defend T.O.

Not as funny as those who don't know what they're talking about.

My original post stated that Owens was at fault - plenty.

But it doesn't change the fact that the Eagles are a cheap organization more concerned with making a buck than winning.

:trophy:

 

[aikemirv]

I'd say the did make the right decision there, but Vincent was a solid, loyal player who wanted to finish up in Philadelphia. He could have stayed and played well in Philly.



Ended up working to their advantage since the rest of the league wasn't smart enough to sign him. Doesn't change the fact that they low-balled yet another player.



Maybe you should do some homework. He played well last season despite the weight and now has dropped a lot of it and showed up in much better shape. The Eagles have since invested two first-round picks in an effort to replace him.



And he had to fight and hold out to get it. Emmitt did as well, but his case was the exception in Dallas, not the rule like in Philadelphia.

How about their previous #1 running back Staley? How'd they treat him?



The Cowboys' issues were cap-related - as in no room. The Eagles have more than enough money - they just don't spend it. They have about $15-$18 million they're currently sitting on. Ask Brian Dawkins how he feels about that.



A deal sent to him by an Eagles team looking to take advantage of his situation. A deal so bad that the players' union advised him not to sign it. Real nice dealing on the Eagles' part, huh?




Not as funny as those who don't know what they're talking about.

My original post stated that Owens was at fault - plenty.

But it doesn't change the fact that the Eagles are a cheap organization more concerned with making a buck than winning.

:trophy:

Sorry, good business decisions in Trotter and Simon, you just can't throw money at players with injury concerns and big time weight issues and just hope it works out.

Duce Staley is another one with injury concerns and has barely sniffed the field in Pittsburgh because of injury, Bettis and Parker. Looks like another good business move to me.

Oh, and lets just offer players more money than they are willing to sign for - another winner!!

I don't know what Luries net worth is, it may be more or less than Jones, and their team income is less than the Cowboys too, so all of that you have to take into account before you say someone is cheap just because they don't use their full salary cap!

 

[Smashmouth24]

I'd say the did make the right decision there, but Vincent was a solid, loyal player who wanted to finish up in Philadelphia. He could have stayed and played well in Philly.

How? He plays free safety now.

Maybe you should do some homework. He played well last season despite the weight and now has dropped a lot of it and showed up in much better shape. The Eagles have since invested two first-round picks in an effort to replace him.

He did not "play well" last season. He played fewer snaps than the other 2 DTs in their rotation. He played 1st and 2nd downs for the 23rd best run defense in the NFL. He came off the field for the 4th best pass defense in the NFL. He is a penetrating defensive tackle that had zero sacks and only two tackles at or behind the line of scrimmage.

And he had to fight and hold out to get it. Emmitt did as well, but his case was the exception in Dallas, not the rule like in Philadelphia.

He didn't get it by holding out.

How about their previous #1 running back Staley? How'd they treat him?

He was not their #1 running back in his final season with the team. They really didn't have one. He hasn't been anyone's #1 running back since.

The Cowboys' issues were cap-related - as in no room. The Eagles have more than enough money - they just don't spend it. They have about $15-$18 million they're currently sitting on. Ask Brian Dawkins how he feels about that.

The Eagles have been spending plenty on their team in the past few years. It was the 1999, 2000, 2001 seasons where they spent virtually nothing. They don't forfeit the cap room, and have carried the excess over into each season resulting in what they have now.

A deal sent to him by an Eagles team looking to take advantage of his situation. A deal so bad that the players' union advised him not to sign it. Real nice dealing on the Eagles' part, huh?

The NFLPA probably advised against him signing the deal not because of the money but rather because of the language. It gave the team leverage should he conduct himself in a fashion deemed detrimental to the team.

Not as funny as those who don't know what they're talking about.

You haven't exactly demonstrated a very good understanding yourself.

But it doesn't change the fact that the Eagles are a cheap organization more concerned with making a buck than winning.

Every owner is more concerned with making a buck than winning. Every last one.

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

Let's see ...if we both make the same Point, does that mean we agree?! All I'm saying is that Lurie's intent was closure for the team ...not the world at large. You'd be surprised how much can be filtered out of a lockerroom ...or leak out with the right person's mouth!

funny you say that.

you know what....i knew about that T.O. locker room fight hours after it happened, about 3 full days before the national media got a hold of it. you know how? one of the popular DB's for the ea-girls (i'll protect the guilty) called one of his buddies (who i work with) to tell him all about it.

looks like you still have some big mouths in your locker room.

 

[Stash]

Sorry, good business decisions in Trotter and Simon, you just can't throw money at players with injury concerns and big time weight issues and just hope it works out.

Again, do some research on Simon. He's been nothing but good for Indy and the Eagles are still trying to replace him. They were lucky they got Trotter back. The leagues fell asleep letting him go back to Philly so cheap.

Duce Staley is another one with injury concerns and has barely sniffed the field in Pittsburgh because of injury, Bettis and Parker. Looks like another good business move to me.

Great for the Eagles, Staley gave all that he had, the Eagles used him up, and let him go. (not so good for Duce)

Oh, and lets just offer players more money than they are willing to sign for - another winner!!

When was this ever brought up?

I don't know what Luries net worth is, it may be more or less than Jones, and their team income is less than the Cowboys too, so all of that you have to take into account before you say someone is cheap just because they don't use their full salary cap!

Two words - revenue sharing.

The NFL has the best reveue-sharing of any professional sports league. And that's why they're the best.

The Eagles have plenty of money coming in. Forget that new stadium and all those luxury boxes too? The Eagles don't have money issues in either cap space or liquid cash.

Nice try though....

:showme: + :trophy: = :suxiggle:

 

[Stash]

How? He plays free safety now.

He could have played safety in Philadelphia as well. I think he and Dawkins would have made a great tandem.

He did not "play well" last season. He played fewer snaps than the other 2 DTs in their rotation. He played 1st and 2nd downs for the 23rd best run defense in the NFL. He came off the field for the 4th best pass defense in the NFL. He is a penetrating defensive tackle that had zero sacks and only two tackles at or behind the line of scrimmage.

And yet the Colts were thrilled to have him and kept him when his contract gave them the option not to? Read the recent reports on him, the Colts are thrilled with what they have. The Eagles are still trying to replace him.

He didn't get it by holding out.

How did he get it then?

He was not their #1 running back in his final season with the team. They really didn't have one. He hasn't been anyone's #1 running back since.

No he wasn't. They used him up and discarded him.

The Eagles have been spending plenty on their team in the past few years. It was the 1999, 2000, 2001 seasons where they spent virtually nothing. They don't forfeit the cap room, and have carried the excess over into each season resulting in what they have now.

You can count their "big signings" on one hand and have several fingers left over. They've had about three:

John Runyan
Jevon Kearse
Terrell Owens

The NFLPA probably advised against him signing the deal not because of the money but rather because of the language. It gave the team leverage should he conduct himself in a fashion deemed detrimental to the team.

Yeah, I'm sure that's it. Regardless, the Eagles pulled a fast one that the players' union picked up on. Real nice "business" there. And they wonder how a player can get upset?

You haven't exactly demonstrated a very good understanding yourself.

I'd still say better than some. Everybody still glosses over Dawkins' current situation or the Eagles letting Burgess go rather than pay him (how'd he do?) There's a definite pattern of "frugality" with the Eagles and it continues today. How's that first rounder look in camp?

Every owner is more concerned with making a buck than winning. Every last one.

If you say so. I guess some are just more concerned with it, right?

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Does anyone want to take bets on how many games T.O. sits out this year?

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

Does anyone want to take bets on how many games T.O. sits out this year?

troll alert!

 

[aikemirv]

I don't care how well Trotter and Simon are or are not doing the FACT of the matter is you cannot give the farm to a guy who is 80lbs overweight or a guy who has bad knees and may not play after 1 year - you just don't know.

You cannot say they are CHEAP because of these 2 arguments period.

That is not being cheap, that is making good business decisions.

And your argument that they used up Staley - that just even makes them seem smarter because, what are they supposed to do, use him up and then give him a great contract? A lot of teams are paying for past service - it is not good business, just ask Jerry about Larry Allens last contract!

 

[Longboysfan]

I don't know what Luries net worth is, it may be more or less than Jones, and their team income is less than the Cowboys too, so all of that you have to take into account before you say someone is cheap just because they don't use their full salary cap!

They all get the same income from the even split from the NFL.

The 61 to 62% of the GDR is what they have to spend.

So this does not hold a bit of water. Cheep..... Cheep.... Cheep....

 

[aikemirv]

They all get the same income from the even split from the NFL.

The 61 to 62% of the GDR is what they have to spend.

So this does not hold a bit of water. Cheep..... Cheep.... Cheep....

If I have 2 billion and you have 1 billion I might be more willing to spend more money on players than you would - wouldn't you say?

I said you have to look at all those issues before you just say he is cheap - I have not - if you know each mans net worth go ahead and post it and enlighten me OK.

 

[Longboysfan]

That is not being cheap, that is making good business decisions.

This is what they have for those good business decisions when they have had a lot of talent on their team.:trophy:

And the loyal fans should be saying the the Management :suxiggle:

 

[aikemirv]

This is what they have for those good business decisions when they have had a lot of talent on their team.:trophy:

And the loyal fans should be saying the the Management :suxiggle:

They sure have made it to more NFC championships than we have in the last 6 years haven't they - and that is the time period we ARE talking about.