Eagles RPO game

[75boyz]

I mean, the RGIII Shanahan model worked but ultimately showed that running/dual threat QBs are increasingly exposed to potential injury.

They can get lit up before they are ever able to go into a slide.

Jackson in Baltimore's elite speed to their RPO concepts is effective "right now" as well.

I am not sure the Philly Hurts RPO offensive package will be the mainstay of their offense for future years but I do believe it is having its small window of success right now.

Ultimately I think RPO offenses should only be in small doses and not as the base offensive strategy.

The QB shelf life is compromised by running it too much.

History has shown if your QB can't be taught to become an accomplished passer and running is his more effective skill then prepare yourself for not having long sustained success.

jmo

 

[cowboyec]

How is he 0-4 when he won a SB. I wish our QBs had been in 5 NFC championship games and won a SB over the last dozen years or so.

post lone super bowl win he is 0-4.

 

[cowboyec]

How can you be 0-4 yet have a super bowl ring?

because they have played in 4 nfc title games losing all of them since that 1 sb win.
thats how.
you knew this already.

 

[sandbridge77]

Through the first 5 games of the season Eagles successfully threw the ball down the field, I believe the game plan for Dallas was to get the ball out quick and not let your pass rush get into a feeding frenzy and force Hurts to take chances. It worked primarily because the Eagles got out to an early lead.

If the game had played out differently, the Eagles would have been forced to open up the playbook.

 

[StarOfGlory]

I was thinking that as well. Put the hurt on Hurts when they do that RPO.

Yeah, until the refs start throwing flags. I wonder how much of that can be gotten away with.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Yeah, until the refs start throwing flags. I wonder how much of that can be gotten away with.

True. But the QB is a runner. If they are going to protect a runner from being hit, then everyone else that runs the ball will need to be protected. Frankly, this protecting the QB thingy is getting ridiculous. It's taking away from football.

 

[jterrell]

If I'm DQ I instruct micah to blow the qb up whether he pitches or not. They will stop calling it.

Yup. Thats exactly what you do.
Hit the QB every time they try this and you end up with RG3.
Thats also why I would hit the QB every time he slid late and just eat 15 yards if I have to.
Teams have to protect their QBs, the defense doesn't.

 

[Kevinicus]

The guards clearly come off their initial blocks and climb north to engage again near the 5 yard line. Those are not initial engagements at the LOS, I don’t know how you’re not seeing that.

The LG comes off his initial block, but the RG doesn't (He did get pushed back/sideways into another guy and then lingers).
The LG after the first guy, engages Micah and is standing right around the 6. That's within one yard of the line of scrimmage.
The rule says "initial charge" not "initial engagement." It could easily be argued that glancing off of one guy and proceeding to the next is still apart of the "initial charge."

Now, on the Brown TD, there are definitely a couple guys who meet the definition of illegally downfield.

 

[Hoofbite]

RPOs are tricky and offenses are allowed more leeway than ever

if they called it everytime the RPO offense would go extinct and the nfl needs offenses to sell tickets

If RPO went extinct, that wouldn't be a bad thing.

You can't just disregard the rules because people like offense. Either change them, or enforce them.

 

[SuperBowlz]

If RPO went extinct, that wouldn't be a bad thing.

You can't just disregard the rules because people like offense. Either change them, or enforce them.

I hate to continue to stick up for Philly but it's not a penalty. The penalty was written to keep Tackles from running down field like a receiver to confuse the D. When the OLine is in there blocking they can push guys down the field more then a yard. Like I said before... what if the DLine all step back more then a yard on the snap you're saying it's illegal to go block them? If a DE runs 5 yards down the field and blocks a S or LB then it's a penalty. But if they are 2 or 3 yards down field blocking OLineman and LBers that is not a penalty.

 

[SuperBowlz]

Could you imagine Tyron Smith blasting a DE and pushing him back 2 yards when engaging in a block and getting a penalty for illegal man downfield? Come on guys. RPO has been around for years and it's frustrating and hard to stop but Bellicheck didn't figure it out when the Eagles used it in the SB win.

 

[DandyDon52]

https://operations.nfl.com/media/5kvgzyss/2022-nfl-rulebook-final.pdf
you can dl a pdf here and view all rules, I will try and find the rule on this , so can others.
I saw one other that said 1 yd is the limit, so if refs are not calling this, maybe the nfl wants eagles in the SB ??

 

[DandyDon52]

I hate to continue to stick up for Philly but it's not a penalty. The penalty was written to keep Tackles from running down field like a receiver to confuse the D. When the OLine is in there blocking they can push guys down the field more then a yard. Like I said before... what if the DLine all step back more then a yard on the snap you're saying it's illegal to go block them? If a DE runs 5 yards down the field and blocks a S or LB then it's a penalty. But if they are 2 or 3 yards down field blocking OLineman and LBers that is not a penalty.

well maybe it is ok if they are engaged in a block, but not if they just move more than 1 yd down field when not blocking.

 

[Big_D]

If I'm DQ I instruct micah to blow the qb up whether he pitches or not. They will stop calling it.

Any defender.. this is what needs to be done.

 

[MarcusRock]

https://operations.nfl.com/media/5kvgzyss/2022-nfl-rulebook-final.pdf
you can dl a pdf here and view all rules, I will try and find the rule on this , so can others.
I saw one other that said 1 yd is the limit, so if refs are not calling this, maybe the nfl wants eagles in the SB ??

The rules were already posted in here several times. Despite the pretty good contortion posts it was a legal play. Erroneous Twitter claim strikes again. No vetting necessary when it's a fresh new opportunity to play victim.

 

[Blue&Silver]

True. But the QB is a runner. If they are going to protect a runner from being hit, then everyone else that runs the ball will need to be protected. Frankly, this protecting the QB thingy is getting ridiculous. It's taking away from football.

He'll run the ball when the defense gives it to him, or it's a designed run. From what I've seen him he avoids big hits, and is smart with the football. He looks like a young Russell Wilson not RG 3. Hurts has thick legs. The guy squats 600 pounds and he's really strong. Not something RG 3 ever was.

 

[Blue&Silver]

I mean, the RGIII Shanahan model worked but ultimately showed that running/dual threat QBs are increasingly exposed to potential injury.

They can get lit up before they are ever able to go into a slide.

Jackson in Baltimore's elite speed to their RPO concepts is effective "right now" as well.

I am not sure the Philly Hurts RPO offensive package will be the mainstay of their offense for future years but I do believe it is having its small window of success right now.

Ultimately I think RPO offenses should only be in small doses and not as the base offensive strategy.

The QB shelf life is compromised by running it too much.

History has shown if your QB can't be taught to become an accomplished passer and running is his more effective skill then prepare yourself for not having long sustained success.

jmo

That offense was lethal, but RG 3 couldn't run out of bounds untouched without blowing an ACL.

 

[ConstantReboot]

He'll run the ball when the defense gives it to him, or it's a designed run. From what I've seen him he avoids big hits, and is smart with the football. He looks like a young Russell Wilson not RG 3. Hurts has thick legs. The guy squats 600 pounds and he's really strong. Not something RG 3 ever was.

Yes but they are giving Parsons a free run to the QB. Let them run it. But the Eagles will need to decide quick because Parsons is going straight for Hurts.