Eagles vs Cowboys 2017-2022 Jerrah Lies

tm1119

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He was giving examples of teams that went all-in and had success in the all-in seasons. Obviously anybody would do that if they were guaranteed those results.

The problems with all-in are the teams that tried it and failed. Skins, pre-2014 Cowboys, etc..

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You are including the all-in seasons. If teams suffered from all-in it would be in the non all-in years.
Of course nothing is a guarantee. But you know what’s closer to a guarantee? Not advancing in the playoffs without putting serious effort into improving the roster.

I’ll say it a million times- There is a gigantic reasonable middle ground between going “all-in” and how the Cowboys treat free agency. Until the Jones’ realize this the Cowboys will continue to tread water and hope and pray for a miracle.
 

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Of course nothing is a guarantee. But you know what’s closer to a guarantee? Not advancing in the playoffs without putting serious effort into improving the roster.

I’ll say it a million times- There is a gigantic reasonable middle ground between going “all-in” and how the Cowboys treat free agency. Until the Jones’ realize this the Cowboys will continue to tread water and hope and pray for a miracle.
And "all in" was Jerrah's inaccurate description of the Eagles anyway.

He strongly implied he could win us a Super Bowl every few years but he'd rather be good every year. He's failed on both counts, we're making the playoffs half the time in the last decade while still not having a single deep playoff run.
 

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The following is not to make a point about football per se. It is to show how to calculate the point that you were attempting to make:

2017 and 2022 were all-in season for the Eagles.

In the non all-in seasons (2018 thru 2021):

Cowboys 36-29-0 with 1 playoff win.

Eagles 31-33-1 with 1 playoff win.
This post doesn't show the cowboys in a good light. So in the eagles "rebuilding years", they were still able to keep pace with Dallas
 

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Since Dak was drafted.

Eagles won a SB with the QB combo of Wentz / Foles.
They made some great trades to get out of his contract, so moved on from both of those QB's. Was not afraid to draft Hurts in the 2nd round. Then built a team around him. And a system as well.
And are now playing in another SB.

Meanwhile, we are going into year 8 with Dak.
And still Jerry does not see the problem. Either sign FA's, make trades and be serious about surrounding him with a great team. And still draft a QB to possibly move on from Dak as well.

Jerry has not learned one thing. We will see what they do in FA and if they actually will draft a QB this year, and not some late round QB to appease some fans. I don't look for anything to be any different.
Until I looked it up for this thread, I didn't realize how truly full of it Jerrah was in regards to the Eagles "all in". They've been a playoff team every year since 2017 except for one outlier 4-11 season.

It's hard to laugh off Jerrah's stupidity when you know it dooms this franchise.
 

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This post doesn't show the cowboys in a good light. So in the eagles "rebuilding years", they were still able to keep pace with Dallas
One 4-11 season between the 2 Super Bowl appearances. Every other season a winning record and playoffs.

We'd all give half our scrotes for the Cowboys to have this kind of run from 2017-2022.

Of course Jerrah could do it he just felt it was too risky lol yeah right what a buffoon
 

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he's living on JIMMY JOHNSON legacy. He's done nothing but get drunk and repeat that same old line every year
He's a terrible GM. When there has been success it's in others overriding him. Such as Martin over Manziel.
 

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Did you read the 1st line of my post?

The following is not to make a point about football per se. It is to show how to calculate the point that you were attempting to make:
Yes. The point people are trying to make is that the Eagles have not had any "all in" seasons over that 6 years stretch. They have been thinking long term the entire time which is why so many people are laughing at Jerry's comments. Philly hasn't done what the Rams did in terms of mortgaging the future to maximize the now (trade lots of future picks and/or take on backloaded deals which create a multi year cap hell later for cap relief now) which is what Jerry is trying to talk about and making a fool of himself with.

Personally, I think you have a radically different opinion of "all in", which is causing the disagreements in this thread.
 

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I don’t always agree with Jerry Jones. But, many on this board love to go to extremes - both positive and negative. I also understand that the Jones family owns this franchise and most likely will for a very long time. Just my personal approach, but I can’t get so worked up over something that I blow it out of proportion and significantly increase my stress levels. I love reading opinions and thoughts, links to articles, etc. But, some of this is so dramatic…. relax and enjoy life a little.
Jerry is straight up lying right to your face. Can't you see that? Why do you believe Jerry rather than your lying eyes?
 

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He was giving examples of teams that went all-in and had success in the all-in seasons. Obviously anybody would do that if they were guaranteed those results.

The problems with all-in are the teams that tried it and failed. Skins, pre-2014 Cowboys, etc..

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You are including the all-in seasons. If teams suffered from all-in it would be in the non all-in years.
He was also using the Rams as the example of a team that had success for that one year and then paid the price, in his opinion, the next year.
 

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Jerry is straight up lying right to your face. Can't you see that? Why do you believe Jerry rather than your lying eyes?
Why would anyone believe his/her own “lying“ eyes? I think that’s why they are called lying eyes.
 

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Outstanding OP. After scrolling I think all of your response/follow up posts were excellent as well.

Truly enjoyable to be able to read the truth here occasionally so thank you.
 

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He was also using the Rams as the example of a team that had success for that one year and then paid the price, in his opinion, the next year.
Rams stunk this year, but from 2017 through 2022 they were up there with the Eagles.
60-38
5 winning seasons
4 playoff appearances
7-3 playoff record
2 Super Bowls with 1 win

Not some flash in the pan "all in" team who had one good season. Yeah they went hard for it last season, but they were annual winners who were close enough to succeed in doing so.

Jerrah's example was garbage here too just like with the Eagles.
 

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He was giving examples of teams that went all-in and had success in the all-in seasons. Obviously anybody would do that if they were guaranteed those results.

The problems with all-in are the teams that tried it and failed. Skins, pre-2014 Cowboys, etc..

Comparison
You are including the all-in seasons. If teams suffered from all-in it would be in the non all-in years.
Please don't try to rationalize what the goober said. He clearly singled out the Eagles and it was a stupid *** comparison for him. But then again, Jerry says a lot of stupid things publicly about his football team.
 

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Jerry is straight up lying right to your face. Can't you see that? Why do you believe Jerry rather than your lying eyes?
Ummm…. you’re making my point for me - so much drama. Jerry is a politician and all politicians lie. I’m not defending him. I’m just saying maybe some of us take it down a notch or two. Calling people buffoons or idiots does absolutely nothing to make things better. Personal attacks aren’t necessary. You seem so worked up… just breath bro.
 

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The following is not to make a point about football per se. It is to show how to calculate the point that you were attempting to make:

2017 and 2022 were all-in season for the Eagles.

In the non all-in seasons (2018 thru 2021):

Cowboys 36-29-0 with 1 playoff win.

Eagles 31-33-1 with 1 playoff win.
So to be clear, in the three years after the Eagles went "all in" they only lost 5 more games than we did, the team "doing it the right way" and have the same number of playoff wins?

The fact you seem to think this supports your point is kind of funny. Further, Jerry's point was that he'd rather be relevant year to year and not go all in and then have to wander aimlessly for a long time recovering from that all in year. He cited the Eagles. Except that's a freaking stupid point because the Eagles didn't wander aimlessly for years and years after going all in. They literally tore that 2017 team down to the studs and 5 years later are back in the SB.

Jerry made a stupid point. It's bizarre people are trying to now justify it.
 

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#1, let's get it straight up front. There is no concept of me "getting" it from you. I know more about everything related to football than you. You're been at CZ long enough that you should know that by now.
In the time that many of us have been here, what we've learned is that you are largely an apologist for the franchise, always trying to spin what they do as the right thing.
 
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