Early Predictions for 2006

[SkinsFan26]

RYan Leaf had so much more talent than Campbell it isnt even worth discussing. To this day I still think Ryan Leaf had more pure football talent than Peyton Manning, Manning is just a football genius while Leaf is a headcase and freaks out when he is under pressure.

Or maybe Peton Manning is better than Ryan Leaf.

You really should be a football GM with talent evaluation skills like that.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Or maybe Peton Manning is better than Ryan Leaf.

You really should be a football GM with talent evaluation skills like that.

Watch Ryan Leaf in college, then watch Peyton Manning in college. Who has more football talent really isnt debateable and never was. The arguement was whether or not Leaf had the balls to play in the NFL. Everyone kinew Manning did. Turns out Leaf was not a tough player, physically or mentally.

 

[jrumann59]

Honestly I think 1st round quarterbacks are huge gambles. The only thing that is working for campbelll is he didn't win the heismann, heismann quarterbacks in the NFL for some reason do not pan out. IIRC Gibbs has pretty much 100% say in the draft, no more Danny drafting. Tot tell you the truth I never heard of campbell til DC drafted him. And some one said he campbell played in 4 systems in college and the lst one he was in he excelled, ok but is it possible that is like 80% of the drafted QB's every year and was a system QB. You have the right system to fit a QB's strengths and if he has any amount of brain cells should thrive especially in an 80% run oriented offense. Please look at all QB's that have come out of the state of Florida in the last 20 years. On the ACC vs SEC who cares. All I know about the ACC SEC is if you want good D-Line man, Linebackers, WR, DB's you draft from and ACC SEC school, if you want a QB a good rule is to look west PAC10, WAC, MAC. RB are hit or miss but many of the southern schools seem to put out good running backs. The TE's seem to come of the midwest and the Appalachian mountain states. O-Line seems to be one of the easier postions to pick because 1st-7th rounds you can get pretty good talent that stays around. You really don't have many Tony Mandarich picks when it comes O-Line.

 

[silverbear]

What makes Cowboys fans say Jason Campbell will be bad?

I'm not gonna say he's gonna be bad, not until I actually see him in a game... he wasn't real impressive in preseason last year, putting up a robust 43.1 quarterback rating, but to be fair, that WAS his rookie year...

The point we're trying to make is it's silly for you to assume that Campbell will be "great"... there have been quarterbacks who came into the league after Heisman Trophy seasons, IOW quarterbacks who played even better than Campbell did, and were total FLOPS in the league... you might remember one of 'em, guy by the name of Heath Shuler...

There are no sure things in the NFL, my man...

They have no justification for these types of statements. He was a great college quarterback on a top team in the top conference in the country.

Actually, until his senior season he was just a good quarterback, not a great one... he did have a great senior season, but of course, he was surrounded by a LOT of offensive firepower...

Also, Gibbs hand picked this guy and traded up to get him. The last time he did that, the Skins drafted Cooley.

So, you're saying Gibbs is infallible?? One wonders how he EVER lost a single game, if that's the case...

As a Commanders fan, I know there is no guarantee that he will be a superstar, but until he plays a full season I don't see how anyone can knock this guy.

Absolutely true...

He has looked very strong in his preseason action -

Actually, he STUNK last preseason... he was 17 of 37, under 46 per cent completion rate, threw 1 TD and 3 interceptions.. if you're gonna try to argue with us, at least take the time to doublecheck your facts, or you're gonna wind up looking pretty lame...

Again, though, we shouldn't assume he's a dog because he struggled in his preseason action in his rookie year...

You only wish that you had a young, potentially great QB on your team's roster.

We do-- his name is Tony Romo... and Drew Henson kicked some major butt over in NFL Europe earlier today... 17 of 24, 171 yards, 1 TD and 0 ints, quarterback rating of around 105...

Maybe the Skins should send Jason over there, to get his feet wet...

 

[silverbear]

Wow, I wish I had the inside scoop that you have about how the Commanders draft their players. If I didn't know any better, I would say that you work for the Commanders or at least hang around the war room on draft day.

Hey, if you wanna believe that Gibbs is the first, last and only decision-maker at Commanders Park, go right ahead and tell yourself that silly crapola...

But as it happens, I DO get a lot of exposure to the Skins, living as I do out here in the Shenandoah Valley... about 20 minutes north of Harrisonburg... our "local" TV stations are DC stations, as a Wizards and Orioles fan I subscribe to Comcast SportsNet, I read the Washington Post and the Washington Times sports pages daily...

And yeah, I'm sure Coach Gibbs asked permission to get the guy he wanted.

Didn't say he "asked permission", son, everybody knows that Danny Boy idolizes Gibbs, and would be VERY reluctant to go against him (even if giving in worked to the detrmient of the team)... what I DID say, and it would help if you sharpened your reading comprehension, that he was getting his scouting reports, his input, from the same people who gave y'all Patrick Ramsey...

If you wish to argue with me, it would be nice if you afforded me the respect of not distorting my arguments... I don't do that to you... happily, continued misrepresentations of my arguments will show anybody who reads these threads that you couldn't deal with me by relying on the truth, and that of course is an powerful indictment of your arguments...

 

[SkinsFan26]

Actually, he STUNK last preseason... he was 17 of 37, under 46 per cent completion rate, threw 1 TD and 3 interceptions.. if you're gonna try to argue with us, at least take the time to doublecheck your facts, or you're gonna wind up looking pretty lame...


We do-- his name is Tony Romo... and Drew Henson kicked some major butt over in NFL Europe earlier today... 17 of 24, 171 yards, 1 TD and 0 ints, quarterback rating of around 105...

Campbell had one bad interception, one hail mary pick, and one pick resulting from either a mixup with a WR or the WR ran an incorrect route. He played late in games when the Skins were trailing much of the preseason and ran a comeback offense with 3rd and 4th string receivers. He looked very impressive for a rookie. Don't just look at stat sheets and throw numbers out or you'll wind up looking pretty lame.

Tony Romo, are you kidding me? I'm glad Drew is doing well in Europe because he will never be an NFL starting QB.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Campbell had one bad interception, one hail mary pick, and one pick resulting from either a mixup with a WR or the WR ran an incorrect route. He played late in games when the Skins were trailing much of the preseason and ran a comeback offense with 3rd and 4th string receivers. He looked very impressive for a rookie. Don't just look at stat sheets and throw numbers out or you'll wind up looking pretty lame.

Tony Romo, are you kidding me? I'm glad Drew is doing well in Europe because he will never be an NFL starting QB.

Ok so let me get this straight. Campbell can't be judged until he's played an entire NFL season as the starting QB for the Commanders.......

Neither Romo or Henson has played an entire GAME in the NFL, let alone an entire season. Yet you're saying that they won't make it? hhmmmm...... sounds like a little Homerism to me. Whatever makes Campbell seem like a good idea I guess.

I'm not saying either Romo or Henson will amount to anything, but they can't be judged until they've had significant playing time....

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Bringing in Todd Collins was a REAL vote of confidence... LOL...

I admire your confidence, but you might want to pause to consider that it just might be misguided... remember the last quarterback the Skins drafted late in the first round, their last "quarterback of the future"??

If you don't, here's a clue-- he's now playing for the Jets, and y'all got a SIXTH round pick for him... Patrick Ramsey didn't turn out to be all that, did he??

So are you saying the Commanders should not have brought in a 3rd QB? Or maybe had 2 backup QB's with virtually 0 NFL expierence like you guys do?

Honestly man, you sound like a joke when you make suggestions like that and have no concept of Gibbs' history

The place he wants the MOST depth is at the QB position. In the mid 80s he traded a first round pick for Doug Williams to BACKUP Jay Schroeder, who just came off a terrific season.

Ramsey was part of the old regime, sort of like Chad Hutchinson was in Dallas, and from the very start of Gibbs 2 it was clear he was not enamoured with Ramsey at all, and once Gibbs felt comfortable with the QB situation (i.e Campbell 1 year on the bench, make the move for a solid vet) he shipped Ramsey out

Right now I like our QB situation far better then I like yours. What is going to happen when Drew Bledose goes down and you are forced to rely on basically 2 rookies?

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Lets take this one by one

Fist please give me a link to where I said collasal bust thanks

4 different systems and was only above average in one of them

Improved senior year in yet another system if he could do it as a senior why not as a Jr?

Sit for a year this one makes 2. Does sitting automatically make you better? If so you agree that Henson will someday be a very good QB right?

good oline yes you do unfortunately Cambell is a backup again

Terrific??? a terrific WR core? are you kidding? Moss is terrific, El is a kick returner and Lloyd was average as a #1

Just because i can see clearly doesnt mean I have blue glasses on. Its a shame that you cant say anything of value. I mean come on your fellow skins fan makes himself look like an *** over here and you jump in to defend him even though you yourself do not believe college awards mean anything

Yes lets take this nonsense you just posted 1 by 1

1) 4 different systems in 4 years. If you watched Auburn 2003, they were picked to be number 1 that year by the sporting news. Why did they flop? It was clear the offense they were running JC's junior year was a damn joke. Tommy Tubberville then brought in Al Borges for JC's senior year, where that entire offense exploded. Nobody heard much of Ronnie Brown until his senior year either

And for proof there were system failures until Borges arrived at Auburn, AU had another stellar year on offense, they just didn't get it together until the 3rd week of the season, and look for Auburn to win the SEC again. COACHING matters in this case

2) Sitting for a year certainly helps a young QB. Not everyone is going to be a Troy Aikman who went 0-11 his rookie year and have the confidence to play in the NFL after that. You can see Carson Palmer and Steve McNair, both of whom got no snaps as rookies, and how well they progressed. Pennignton didn't play for 3 years and you can see how well he panned out

Guys like David Klingler, Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey, Chad Hutchinson, guys who were thrown into the fire before they were ready have for the most part struggled. But there are exceptions to this case like Ben Rothlisberger, Tom Brady and Troy Aikman.

Joe Gibbs managed to turn a guy who was a 6th round pick into a Superbowl MVP in Mark Rypien. He had Stan Humprhies on the bench for years. I'll take the development route Joe Gibbs has had, and his track record into developing Superbowl QB's in this case

Can Romo or Henson become good QB's? I personally don't know enough about Romo, but I do think Henson has a world of talent and could very well still become a terrific QB for you guys. I don't think I have ever said their fate has been determined

3) As of now it looks like JC is the backup. But then if you had heard Gibbs press conference to end the season, he said things like "he is ready, its time for him to play" Looks like JC will get his shot this year (and with MB's health most likely will) behind a stellar o-line. I have no idea what this argument of yours had to do with anything

4) Terrific WR corps, yes terrific and certainly an upgrade over last season's WR corps. Teams will not be able to double up on Santana, even though we saw that when Dallas tried to double him it still failed. Randle-El will be an option, Lloyd an option, and Cooley an option. Don't forget Portis out of the backfield, and speedy David Patten as a 4th WR. When JC gets in, he will have plenty of options on each play. And considering Lloyd and Moss torched your secondary last year, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss our WR's


Seriously man, if you want to talk facts do it. Clearly though you lack any grasp of these facts, and until this post I have never mentioned college awards. Jason Campbell has physical tools which project very well into the NFL, the size, can move well, big accurate arm, and has terrific character and leadership ability (if you can lead your team to 13-0, thats leadership)

Will he be able to read an NFL defense? Will he have a full grasp of the offense? Well that I cannot answer now, and that ultimateley will determine if he is a great QB. I wouldn't bet against him though, considering the track record of the offensive coaches on this staff

 

[silverbear]

Campbell had one bad interception, one hail mary pick, and one pick resulting from either a mixup with a WR or the WR ran an incorrect route. He played late in games when the Skins were trailing much of the preseason and ran a comeback offense with 3rd and 4th string receivers.

He was playing against 3rd and 4th string DBs, and 3rd and 4th string pass rushers, too... and he put up perfectly lousy numbers... kind of strange, for the next great Skins quarterback, wouldn't you say?? I tried to be fair about it, and say that it's understandable, and certainly not an indicator or what kind of quarterback he'll eventually be; Troy Aikman's numbers as a rookie were pretty putrid too...

But you're just making yourself silly with this attempt to make a donkey look like a race horse... 17 of 37 is NOT good... 1 TD in 37 attempts isn't impressive either... and no matter what the reasons, 3 interceptions in 37 attempts is HORRIBLE (you act like he was the only quarterback who was ever asked to throw a Hail Mary, and got picked)... if he played like that in a regular season, and had 500 attempts (not an outrageous number for a starting QB these days), that would work out to 40 ints...

Over the last 3 years, the most ints thrown by any one quarterback in a season was Brett Favre last year, with 29... after that, the most picks was 22... of course, Campbell would find himself pulling a Ramsey (gluing his butt to the bench, never to be heard from again) LONG before he got to throw that many picks...

Don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining, because I make the powers that be in here mad when I call guys like you homers... and there isn't a snowball's chance in Hades that you'll ever convince me that horse manure is anything but horse manure...

Don't just look at stat sheets and throw numbers out or you'll wind up looking pretty lame.

I watched most of every preseason game the Skins played last year (had to leave early for a couple in order to go to work)... you see, my nephew/roommate is a life-long Skins fan... and what I saw was confirmed by what the stats sheet says...

Tony Romo, are you kidding me?

Actually, yeah, I was... I'm not really surprised that the humor eluded you, though...

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSHHHHH... right over his head, it went... LOL...

Then again, the Jets offered the Boys a third round pick for him during the course of last season, so apparently SOME teams think he has some worth... that apparently includes the Cowboys, since they turned down such a surprisingly high draft pick...

I'd find it highly amusing if Romo wound having a better NFL career than your new hero Campbell, and that could happen... while you're dissing ol' Romo, but bragging about how Campbell played in preseason, be advised that Tony's QBR was FIFTY POINTS higher than Jason's was last preseason... and coincidentally, they threw the EXACT same number of passes-- 37...

And Tony didn't throw ANY interceptions...

How curious, you're bragging on Jason's preseason performance, and talkin' trash about Tony, when Romo was VASTLY superior to Campbell last preseason...

You've gotta explain that logic to me, how can Campbell put up such lousy numbers, and you're trying to convince us all that he's a future star, while Romo put up really good numbers, and you're disparaging him??

Sounds like Skins fan logic to me, that phenomenon in which any player of theirs is the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel, until such time as that player leaves Washington, at which point he becomes a stiff who's no big loss...

I'm glad Drew is doing well in Europe because he will never be an NFL starting QB.

And yet, he put up a higher quarterback rating than Campbell did last preseason... only you won't see me characterizing HIS play as anything other than what it was-- lousy...

ROTFLMAO... you keep on talkin' trash, and you keep on steppin' on your johnson...

 

[silverbear]

Ok so let me get this straight. Campbell can't be judged until he's played an entire NFL season as the starting QB for the Commanders.......

Neither Romo or Henson has played an entire GAME in the NFL, let alone an entire season. Yet you're saying that they won't make it? hhmmmm...... sounds like a little Homerism to me. Whatever makes Campbell seem like a good idea I guess..

That IS a wee bit of a hypocritical double standard, isn't it??

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Hey, if you wanna believe that Gibbs is the first, last and only decision-maker at Commanders Park, go right ahead and tell yourself that silly crapola...

But as it happens, I DO get a lot of exposure to the Skins, living as I do out here in the Shenandoah Valley... about 20 minutes north of Harrisonburg... our "local" TV stations are DC stations, as a Wizards and Orioles fan I subscribe to Comcast SportsNet, I read the Washington Post and the Washington Times sports pages daily...

Didn't say he "asked permission", son, everybody knows that Danny Boy idolizes Gibbs, and would be VERY reluctant to go against him (even if giving in worked to the detrmient of the team)... what I DID say, and it would help if you sharpened your reading comprehension, that he was getting his scouting reports, his input, from the same people who gave y'all Patrick Ramsey...

Steve Spurrier never personally scouted Patrick Ramsey. Joe Gibbs and the entire offensive coaching staff went down to Auburn to scout him themselves last year before the draft. Big difference there buddy

Seriously man, because you watch Comcast sportsnet you know what is going in inside Commanders park? God that is the worst argument I have heard in my life.

Name me a pickup the Commanders have made the past few years which has Dan Snyder's fingerprints on it. I.E aging superstar not at a position of need

FA class 2004 built our current D- Brought in Cornillieus Griffin, Marcus Washington and Shawn Springs

The draft brought in Sean Taylor and Chris Cooley. A more Snyderesque draft would have picked Kellen Winslow Jr instead of ST

Guys that were avilable that offseason included the likes of Warren Sapp and Antoine Winfield

Offseason 2005- Only one significant FA pickup in Casey Rabach. Added speed with David Patten, and shipped LC's whining *** out of DC for a star in Sanatan Moss

Draft 2005- Snyder would have drafted Mike Williams instead of Carlos Rogers

This offseason? Weaknesses on the team were attacked. I guess you guys don't say our WR corps was a weakness because our passing game torched you guys last year. But it was, Moss simply cannot do it all by himself even if he had 1500 yards recieving

Bring in 2 young guys with lots of upside to add to the WR corps

We haven't had a pass rusher in years... bingo Andre Carter

If you are going to sit here and say Comcast sportsnet gives you inside knowledge of the Washington Commanders you are aboslutley off your rocker. You are relying on the same media which said the Commanders would have to play 15-20 undrafted rookies this year, which would NOT have been true even with NO CBA

Come on man, I thought you were far better then that "I watch Comcast sportsnet I have plenty of exposure I know whats going on in Commanders park"

 

[silverbear]

So are you saying the Commanders should not have brought in a 3rd QB?

Actually, no... I'm on record as saying that was a good move by the Skins... for one thing, Collins has extensive experience in the Al Saunders system, and can help get it implemented more quickly and efficiently that it otherwise would have... this is the very reason why Parcells is so fond of bringing his old players in wherever he goes...

What I AM saying is that Todd Collins did not come to Washington to be the 3rd stringer... which means the Skins don't feel that Jason Campbell is ready to even step up and be the backup-- yet... I'm confident that the only way Campbell will find any significant playing time this year is if the Skins' season is in the dumper (and unless they get devastated by injury, I don't see that happening )... basically, I find it curious, that a guy you Skins fans are so completely sure is destined to be quite good isn't ready to step in as the backup after a full year of learning the game...

Troy Aikman started as a rookie... even Quincy Carter started as a rookie... I'm generally all in favor of bringing a young QB along slowly, but the Skins are taking that to quite a surprising extreme... if he IS ever gonna be good, the only way that will happen is to put him out there, let him take his lumps, make his mistakes, and learn from those mistakes...

Honestly man, you sound like a joke when you make suggestions like that and have no concept of Gibbs' history

First, you apparently don't have a clue what I'm "suggesting" given the way you've just completely misrepresented my argument...

Second, it is entirely possible that I go further back watching the Skins than YOU do... I vividly remember the Over the Hill Gang, in fact one night down in Georgetown, at a club called the Crazy Horse (don't know if it's still there), I met Ron McDole and Diron Talbert... I remember "wobble and win with Billy", the whole Kilmer/Jurgensen quarterback controversy...

Which has nothing to do with our argument, I'm just pointing out the dangers of making assumptions about people you don't know... in point of fact, I know the Skins' roster a good deal better than about 95 per cent of your fan base... don't know yet whether you're in the other five percent, haven't gone round and round with you enough yet to judge that...

I can say I thought you made a good argument in your response to BigDFan5's post, so you may have possibilities...

Right now I like our QB situation far better then I like yours. What is going to happen when Drew Bledose goes down and you are forced to rely on basically 2 rookies?

This year, trouble, unless Tony Romo really is a sleeper... the Boys clearly think he is... of course, this year you guys are also in deep doo-doo if Brunell goes down; Campbell is obviously not ready for prime time, and Collins is an aging mediocrity who has thrown all of 27 passes in the last EIGHT YEARS...

And next year, don't be surprised to see the Boys spend some of their cap room on a Matt Schaub or a Chris Simms, both of whom will be unrestricted free agents unless their respective teams can get them to agree to contract extensions, rather than just accept their RFA tenders... given that neither players' teams are willing to commit to them, it would be silly for them not to test the free agent waters next year, looking for a big payday and a team that will give them a serious shot at starting...

But in the spirit of fairness, if I was looking at the next coupla years, and assumed that both teams would go with the current status quo at quarterback, I'd like the Skins' situation better than the Cowboys', too... it's silly for any of us to assume that either team will maintain the status quo at that position for the next 2-3 years, though...

I have to say, I really LOVE how riled up I can get you Skins fans in here, just by pointing out a little reality... I find myself wondering how long it's gonna take for you realize I'm baiting y'all... you do seem to keep jumping at the bait, it's almost enough to make me feel like I'm picking on the disabled...

 

[SkinsFan26]

He was playing against 3rd and 4th string DBs, and 3rd and 4th string pass rushers, too... and he put up perfectly lousy numbers... kind of strange, for the next great Skins quarterback, wouldn't you say?? I tried to be fair about it, and say that it's understandable, and certainly not an indicator or what kind of quarterback he'll eventually be; Troy Aikman's numbers as a rookie were pretty putrid too...

But you're just making yourself silly with this attempt to make a donkey look like a race horse... 17 of 37 is NOT good... 1 TD in 37 attempts isn't impressive either... and no matter what the reasons, 3 interceptions in 37 attempts is HORRIBLE (you act like he was the only quarterback who was ever asked to throw a Hail Mary, and got picked)... if he played like that in a regular season, and had 500 attempts (not an outrageous number for a starting QB these days), that would work out to 40 ints...

Over the last 3 years, the most ints thrown by any one quarterback in a season was Brett Favre last year, with 29... after that, the most picks was 22... of course, Campbell would find himself pulling a Ramsey (gluing his butt to the bench, never to be heard from again) LONG before he got to throw that many picks...

Don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining, because I make the powers that be in here mad when I call guys like you homers... and there isn't a snowball's chance in Hades that you'll ever convince me that horse manure is anything but horse manure...



I watched most of every preseason game the Skins played last year (had to leave early for a couple in order to go to work)... you see, my nephew/roommate is a life-long Skins fan... and what I saw was confirmed by what the stats sheet says...



Actually, yeah, I was... I'm not really surprised that the humor eluded you, though...

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSHHHHH... right over his head, it went... LOL...

Then again, the Jets offered the Boys a third round pick for him during the course of last season, so apparently SOME teams think he has some worth... that apparently includes the Cowboys, since they turned down such a surprisingly high draft pick...

I'd find it highly amusing if Romo wound having a better NFL career than your new hero Campbell, and that could happen... while you're dissing ol' Romo, but bragging about how Campbell played in preseason, be advised that Tony's QBR was FIFTY POINTS higher than Jason's was last preseason... and coincidentally, they threw the EXACT same number of passes-- 37...

And Tony didn't throw ANY interceptions...

How curious, you're bragging on Jason's preseason performance, and talkin' trash about Tony, when Romo was VASTLY superior to Campbell last preseason...

You've gotta explain that logic to me, how can Campbell put up such lousy numbers, and you're trying to convince us all that he's a future star, while Romo put up really good numbers, and you're disparaging him??

Sounds like Skins fan logic to me, that phenomenon in which any player of theirs is the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel, until such time as that player leaves Washington, at which point he becomes a stiff who's no big loss...



And yet, he put up a higher quarterback rating than Campbell did last preseason... only you won't see me characterizing HIS play as anything other than what it was-- lousy...

ROTFLMAO... you keep on talkin' trash, and you keep on steppin' on your johnson...

OK, I'll concede. Romo will be better than Jason Campbell.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Well silverbear, seeing how it is 12:19 on a sunday afternoon here, I gotta head out for a while and take care of things

I'll be back later on, I am enjoying this debate too much to leave it now

 

[Big Country]

ny and dallas are not better.... who went farthest in the playoffs again???

HOOO HOOOO HOOOO!!! Okay, got my ho hos out of the way... NOW!! As you very well know the NFL is all about who's hot at what time of the season... The Commanders had the benefit of being the hottest team, along with the Steelers, at the end of the season... Hopefully the Cowboys can be the hottest at the end of the 2006-07 season... I'm getting tired of these second half collapses... Hopefully we have the right ingredients next year... Called O-LINE depth. I don't think the Cowboys have Texas Rangeritis, but anyway...

BTW, I do think the Skins will have one helluva defense again next year... maybe even a top 5... along with ours of course... Greg Williams is a great DC, but do you think they can make a player out of overpaid Archuleta... I mean come on... But anyhoo, may the best team win.

:laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:

 

[Gamebreaker]

Last season has no bearing on this season, especially considering Dallas lost 3 games SOLELY because our FG kicking sucked and Washington needed 3 miracles to make the playoffs.

Dallas and New York also have first round picks, Washington doesnt. Dallas and New York both have better QBs than Washington, Dallas and New York both have signed FAs that fit their team, not FAs that make headlines like Washington. Randle El is barely even a WR, Brandon Llyod couldnt catch a cold walking naked through Alaska, and Adam Archuleta is the worst starting coverage safety in football, and that's saying something from a team that started Keith Davis last year.

Wow. You're going to be very disappointed this season. :laugh2:

I see a lot of hyperbole and very few facts in that post. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[silverbear]

Seriously man, because you watch Comcast sportsnet you know what is going in inside Commanders park? God that is the worst argument I have heard in my life.

Once again, when you distort my arguments that way, you reveal the weakness of your argument... if it was a solid argument, you wouldn't have to misrepresent what I said...

I mentioned a lot more than Comcast, though of course in football season they have a LOT of Commanders coverage... there's the local newspapers, there's the local TV stations, there's the sports talk radio in DC, I avail myself of ALL those options... there are also a lot of quality football sources to be found right here on the web...

So obviously, I didn't claim that I know what's going on inside Commanders Park JUST because I watch Comcast, and frankly, it's disgustingly dishonest of you to try to suggest that was what I'd said...

I rather doubt that you have any better sources... the proof of that is in the arguments I had with Skins fans just like you the last couple-three years:

1) In 2004, I said the Skins' offensive line was quite atrocious (this after Jansen got hurt in preseason, but before the start of the regular season), and that their biggest weakness would be up the middle... and look here, at season's end they ranked 30th in the league, and the Skins were so disgusted by their center play that they went out and signed Casey Rabach as their most significant free agent move of that offseason...

Not bad, for a guy you seem to be desperate to portray as clueless about your favorite team...

2) Last year, I noted the healthy return of Jansen in preseason, and the minor upgrade that Rabach represented at center (he's still nothing more than mediocre), and I said that AS LONG AS THE STARTERS STAYED HEALTHY, that would be a good, efficient line... but I also clearly said that their line had nothing in the way of quality depth, and the offense would struggle badly if one or two of the regulars got hurt... and look here, they stayed healthy until game 14, not one single game missed by a starter on the line (working off the top of my head here), and the offensive line played pretty well... but then, Randy Thomas went down, and Ray Brown followed behind him, and we all know what happened to the Skins' offense in their last 3 games (regular season finale plus their two playoff games), don't we?? 120 total yards against the Bucs, an average of around 230 yards per game over those last 3 games...

3) After the Boys' loss to the Skins in Dallas, I was going at it with some Skins fans on another board who were woofing about how "dominant" their defense was... I told them that by season's end, they would NOT be a top 5 defense, but I figured the WOULD be a top 10 defense... I also said the Boys' defense would finish in the top 10... and look here, at season's end, the Skins ranked 9th in total defense, the Cowboys ranked 10th...

For somebody who you seem to believe doesn't know jack about your favorite team, I sure do get a lot of predictions right... obviously, wherever I'm getting my information from, I'm getting some pretty good information, and I'm able to analyze it with a fair degree of accuracy...

The ironic truth is, for a few years now I've had a better ability to analyze the Skins and Iggles (I could tell you stories about arguments I've had with THEIR fans too) than my own Cowboys... I can only figure this is because it's harder for me to analyze the Boys dispassionately...

This offseason? Weaknesses on the team were attacked. I guess you guys don't say our WR corps was a weakness because our passing game torched you guys last year.

Y'know, instead of making wild, off-the-mark assumptions about what I think, you really ought to ASK me... I'll be happy to tell you, and it's really tiresome watching you guess wrong...

But it was, Moss simply cannot do it all by himself even if he had 1500 yards recieving

And if you HAD bothered to ask me, I would have said the EXACT same thing-- y'all had Moss, and NOTHING else... even Patten was a huge disappointment before he got hurt (22 catches in 9 games, IIRC)...

We haven't had a pass rusher in years... bingo Andre Carter

Wow, a guy who's had 13 whole sacks in his last 38 games... why, that works out to nearly FIVE sacks a season... a guy who's had double figure sack totals in exactly one of his five seasons (his second, 2002)... a guy who, other than that 2002 season, has never had as many as 7 sacks in a year...

And now that I've waved a red flag in front of you by once again citing statistical truth, let me admit that his numbers in recent years have been hurt by the Niners' switch to a 3-4, and his switch to OLB... he has always been a better fit as a 4-3 DE... this was a nice GAMBLE on the Skins' part, one that might pay off well for them... but for you to assume that it will is once again the essence of blind faith, and I emphasize the word blind...

Come on man, I thought you were far better then that "I watch Comcast sportsnet I have plenty of exposure I know whats going on in Commanders park"

How completely pathetic, that you have to resort to such blatant lying, in order to laugh at my arguments... I really thought you were better than that...

You might notice that I haven't disrespected YOU in that way, at least I haven't heard you complain that I've been distorting your arguments... I just don't care enough about a stupid online football argument to demean myself by lying...

If you wish to talk football with me, play it straight... otherwise, we're left with two options-- I can ignore you, because I'll get myself banned from here if I treat you the way I usually treat folks who lie on me this way, or you can follow me over to another board like Cowboys Central, where I CAN treat you the way I usually treat folks who like on me this way...

Which would you prefer, hoss?? Personally, I hope you choose to deal with me more honestly, because as I've said elsewhere, I've liked some of the arguments you've made... but I will not sit by and let you try to "win" this argument by twisting my words...

If you place any value on your integrity, if you value your reputation at all, you'll knock it off... or are you the kind of guy who doesn't care, because you're hiding behind an assumed name, so nobody will every really know who you are??

You wanna know the real h*ll of it?? I'm almost certain to get a gentle reprimand from one of our mods for talking to you THIS sternly, and I've tried to be as polite as I could be, given the way you've been treating me...

Of course, there's another Skins fan in this thread who has tried to pull the exact same crap on me, but I'll resist the urge to speculate that dishonesty is a character trait common to Skins fans... I really hope it's not part of your basic nature, actually, I'm rather disappointed in you...

 

[silverbear]

Well silverbear, seeing how it is 12:19 on a sunday afternoon here, I gotta head out for a while and take care of things

I'll be back later on, I am enjoying this debate too much to leave it now

I'll be around, bud... seriously, though, do try to treat me with a certain minimum level of honesty from here on out... I'm trying to do that for you...

Other than that, I'm enjoying the debate too... you're not NEAR as clueless as some Skins fans I've run into, though I have run into at least one that should be an example to all Skins fans, on another board, goes by the name of dfbovey... he's a pretty good guy, and a knowledgeable football fan...

 

[Gamebreaker]

- Seattle will flop this season. Alexander will not be as productive as last season with the loss of Hutchinson, who was instrumental in Alexander's ability to cut back to the left side of the line and run into open field.

- TO and Bledsoe will be at each other's throats by Week 6. Dallas will miss the playoffs, again.

- The Eagles will go threw a rebuilding year. Reggie Brown will prove to be a solid reciever, and actually one drafted by Philly, for once. Unforunately, he won't be able to play defense, which will be the big problem.

- The Commanders will narrowly beat out the Giants for the division. Giants will take the wildcard. Portis will finally be voted into the probowl, after be snubbed the last two seasons.

- Detroit will be the worst team in the league. Oh no, nevermind. I forgot all about the Niners. Detroit will be the SECOND worst team in the league.

- Philip Rivers will flop in San Diego.

- Miami will become a force to be reckoned with in the AFC.