Eatman: Cowboys scouts like Josh Doctson

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During an episode of the Cowboys Break podcast, which airs weekly on DallasCowboys.com, one of it’s four insiders revealed something they’ve overheard from scouts a couple times in the hallways of Valley Ranch.

“Where we sit in our office, we hear a lot of scouts [in the hallway]….the guy I’ve heard at least twice that they like is Josh Doctson from TCU,” revealed Nick Eatman, writer for the team’s official site said during the Cowboys Break this week. “I think they really like him. I know he was a junior and wasn’t there, got hurt. You know he got hurt last year. He’s probably in the…late first to second round type of guy.”


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Wentz.....Doctson....Touchdown, Dallas.
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He's not as fast as I'd prefer but the guy can play. I can dig it.

I'm still for franchise QB and WR rounds 1 and 2, then blowing the rest of the cap on defense with frontloaded contracts.
 
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gmoney112 said:
He's not as fast as I'd prefer but the guy can play. I can dig it.

I'm still for franchise QB and WR rounds 1 and 2, then blowing the rest of the cap on defense with frontloaded contracts.
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I don't know man, I am a huge TCU guy, being from Fort Worth, and I have seen most of their games. I think Doctson, if he can run, could run a low 4.4 at the combine and with his size that's plenty fast enough.
 
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He's not as fast as I'd prefer but the guy can play. I can dig it.

I'm still for franchise QB and WR rounds 1 and 2, then blowing the rest of the cap on defense with frontloaded contracts.
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I want a new QB, RB, WR (maybe 2) and TE. Obviously that all can't happen in one offseason but I hope we can accomplish it in 2.
 
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If Eatman says it , it's probably true . He almost always get 2-3 players right in his final mock drafts. One year he got rounds 1-4 right on the money. He knows some people.
 
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Nope. Went back for his senior season. Can't understand why though. He won a championship and his performance in that game was more than enough to open up peoples eyes.
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Yes it did, but he might want to show more during his senior season since before the big game there was not much numbers, I'm looking forward for a big senior season and him be a favorite as the number 1 tight end in next years draft.
 
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During an episode of the Cowboys Break podcast, which airs weekly on DallasCowboys.com, one of it’s four insiders revealed something they’ve overheard from scouts a couple times in the hallways of Valley Ranch.

“Where we sit in our office, we hear a lot of scouts [in the hallway]….the guy I’ve heard at least twice that they like is Josh Doctson from TCU,” revealed Nick Eatman, writer for the team’s official site said during the Cowboys Break this week. “I think they really like him. I know he was a junior and wasn’t there, got hurt. You know he got hurt last year. He’s probably in the…late first to second round type of guy.”


http://thelandryhat.com/2016/02/04/...er/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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Just watched a little of this guy.

He can definetely make the spectacular catch.

It doesn't look like his top speed is the best and I'm not sure if his vertical is very good.

He looks like he lacks explosiveness.
 
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cowboyschmps3 said:
Yes it did, but he might want to show more during his senior season since before the big game there was not much numbers, I'm looking forward for a big senior season and him be a favorite as the number 1 tight end in next years draft.
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I think he would have been the number 1 TE pick this year if he came out. Maybe even a late 1st Rd guy. His athleticism jumps off the screen and he's developed as a blocker. Maybe he thinks he can get up into the Ebron area with another year, but Alabama isn't an offense that features the TE in the passing game.
 
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Anyone seen Corey Coleman?

I would love to add a guy like that to the team. That is what we need.
 
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We all love watching Doctson’s jaw-dropping receptions and body control, but the best parts of his game are still open for criticism. Ever since the NFL Network’s Matt Harmon coined the term “trump card”, I’ve been almost infatuated with spotting this type of trait in talented wide receiver prospects, but the issue with Doctson is that a key trait that made him so dominant in college has been called into question by some when it comes to this trait transitioning to the NFL.

Doctson’s “trump card” is undoubtedly his ability to win at the catch point, because few players are better at boxing out defensive backs. In fact, because he’s such a poor route-running in the shorter ranges of the field, the only way he can move the chains is by effectively using his body to shield defenders. The way he wins in the non-deep and non-red zone areas of the field prevents him from being a real YAC threat, simply because he doesn’t generate enough space to do this; he relies on leverage, hands, and body position, which provide the added benefit of making him look stronger than he is.


Want to see an example of how good he is at using his hands, contorting his body, and avoiding drops on throws he has to make adjustments to? Then check this play out. This is what Doctson’s about, and there are other plays in which he somehow makes the catch despite the ball being thrown so far away from him.
The way he dives for underthrown passes on curl-type routes is reminiscent ofCalvin Johnson (obviously I’m not comparing the two, just trying to come up with something many of you can relate to seeing in the NFL).

Last season at TCU, Doctson averaged 17.0 yards per reception, and this number is a reminder that most of his production came in the form of deep receptions and touchdowns. He made huge plays, but he did so because his playing style caused him to dominate in these ways. Why?

http://nflspinzone.com/2016/02/04/2...ial-wr/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
 
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We all love watching Doctson’s jaw-dropping receptions and body control, but the best parts of his game are still open for criticism. Ever since the NFL Network’s Matt Harmon coined the term “trump card”, I’ve been almost infatuated with spotting this type of trait in talented wide receiver prospects, but the issue with Doctson is that a key trait that made him so dominant in college has been called into question by some when it comes to this trait transitioning to the NFL.

Doctson’s “trump card” is undoubtedly his ability to win at the catch point, because few players are better at boxing out defensive backs. In fact, because he’s such a poor route-running in the shorter ranges of the field, the only way he can move the chains is by effectively using his body to shield defenders. The way he wins in the non-deep and non-red zone areas of the field prevents him from being a real YAC threat, simply because he doesn’t generate enough space to do this; he relies on leverage, hands, and body position, which provide the added benefit of making him look stronger than he is.


Want to see an example of how good he is at using his hands, contorting his body, and avoiding drops on throws he has to make adjustments to? Then check this play out. This is what Doctson’s about, and there are other plays in which he somehow makes the catch despite the ball being thrown so far away from him.
The way he dives for underthrown passes on curl-type routes is reminiscent ofCalvin Johnson (obviously I’m not comparing the two, just trying to come up with something many of you can relate to seeing in the NFL).

Last season at TCU, Doctson averaged 17.0 yards per reception, and this number is a reminder that most of his production came in the form of deep receptions and touchdowns. He made huge plays, but he did so because his playing style caused him to dominate in these ways. Why?

http://nflspinzone.com/2016/02/04/2...ial-wr/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Thats a good writeup. I have very similar notes on him as well. His route running is way under par for where he's projected. He fails to seperate from CBs and it will only be that much harder in the NFL. Combine that with a projected 40 in the 4.50-4.55 range and I have doubts he will get open enough underneath or get enough seperation on deep routes to utilize his catching ability. The combine is going to be very important for him. He needs to do well in all of the speed and agility drills. I would much rather take Miller in the 2nd which is where we would probably have to take Doctson.
 
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