Eatman: Jason Witten reworks contract...Livings and Bernadeau too

[Hoofbite]

You are not taking into account that the cap will increase in future seasons. So if a payment that you defferred today was equal to 5% of cap, that same payment may only amount to 3% of cap in a future season.

Typically speaking guys get paid more as they get more years so any sort of potential differential would be diminished on that fact alone.

Cap hits are rarely, if ever, the exact average of the contract. Usually they start lower than average and increase to a point above average. In that sense, the rise in cap is met with what is likely a larger raise in pay from the word go and without deferring money.

 

[Hoofbite]

And every team does it.

They probably do but you'd be hard pressed to say that every team does it out of necessity and does it to the extent that Dallas does on top of it.

 

[speedkilz88]

They probably do but you'd be hard pressed to say that every team does it out of necessity and does it to the extent that Dallas does on top of it.

Actually most do it to the same extent I would bargain. The ones that do not are the teams who don't like to spend money.

 

[Hoofbite]

Actually most do it to the same extent I would bargain. The ones that do not are the teams who don't like to spend money.

Ravens don't seem to have a problem spending money and they have a different approach.

Guess blanket statements don't really work.

 

[gimmesix]

You can love or hate the front office, but you can't ignor the results. The front office will have to change its approach sooner or later. Whether they choose to "blow the team up" or be forced into it like they were in the early 2000's.

The Cowboys weren't ready for the cap and didn't understand it then. They've admitted to that. Now they know how to manipulate it.

They will never blow the team up, unless they want to because there will always be money that can be moved around.

 

[speedkilz88]

Ravens don't seem to have a problem spending money and they have a different approach.

Guess blanket statements don't really work.

Well heres Terrell Suggs' contract, notice how the early base salaries are low and a lot of bonuses prorated? That's what the Cowboys have done, except the Cowboys chose to do a lot of the recent contracts by keeping the base salaries higher early on and then year by year having the choice if they want to prorate that salary to bonus. Same results of pushing money into the future but the Cowboys recent method gives them more flexibility.

Contract:6 yr(s) / $62,500,000 Signing Bonus $10,100,000 Average Salary $10,416,667 End Year:2014 Free Agent:2015 / Unrestricted
BASE SALARY S. BONUS MISC. BONUS CAP HIT
2009 1,000,000 2,020,000 4,000,000 7,020,000
2010 1,900,000 2,020,000 4,600,000 8,520,000
2011 3,400,000 2,020,000 4,600,000 10,020,000
2012 4,900,000 2,020,000 4,600,000 11,520,000
2013 6,400,000 2,020,000 4,600,000 13,020,000
2014 7,800,000 - 4,600,000 12,400,000
2015 UFA
$38.1 million guaranteed
Signing Bonus: $10.1 million
2009 Roster Bonus: $4 million
2010 Option Bonus: $23 million

 

[speedkilz88]

Here's Ladarius Webb contract. They prorated the early years out already also:

Contract:6 yr(s) / $50,000,000 Signing Bonus $10,000,000 Average Salary $8,333,333 End Year:2017 Free Agent:2018
BASE SALARY S. BONUS MISC. BONUS CAP HIT
2012 615,000 2,000,000 - 2,615,000
2013 2,385,000 2,000,000 1,000,000 5,385,000
2014 7,500,000 2,000,000 1,000,000 10,500,000
2015 8,000,000 2,000,000 1,000,000 11,000,000
2016 8,000,000 2,000,000 1,000,000 11,000,000
2017 8,500,000 - 1,000,000 9,500,000
2018

 

[speedkilz88]

Haloti Ngata:

Contract:5 yr(s) / $48,524,000 Signing Bonus $25,000,000 Average Salary $9,704,800 End Year:2015 Free Agent:2016 / Unrestricted
BASE SALARY S. BONUS MISC. BONUS CAP HIT
2011 716,533 5,000,000 - 5,716,533
2012 2,900,000 5,000,000 2,500,000 10,400,000
2013 4,000,000 5,000,000 2,500,000 11,500,000
2014 8,500,000 5,000,000 2,500,000 16,000,000
2015 8,500,000 5,000,000 2,500,000 16,000,000
2016

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm just telling you what Newsome has said.

@RavensInsider: Ozzie newsome said only time team considers restructures is if a player has great value or player has good chance of reaching end of deal.

 

[burmafrd]

You are not taking into account that the cap will increase in future seasons. So if a payment that you defferred today was equal to 5% of cap, that same payment may only amount to 3% of cap in a future season.

this works as long as the cap keeps going up. It will not go up much in 2014 or 2015.

What Jerruh is gambling on is that the cap will go up substantially in 2016 and the next couple of years after that.

If that does not happen we are in big trouble.


And it is certainly not a sure thing the cap will go up enough for what we are doing.

 

[Smith22]

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

Actually most do it to the same extent I would bargain. The ones that do not are the teams who don't like to spend money.

Ravens don't seem to have a problem spending money and they have a different approach.

Guess blanket statements don't really work.

they have their hands full. flacco, reed, kruger, mckinnie and their ILB need to be paid. they cannot afford all of them. and their starting ilb and c retired.

 

[Nightman]

this works as long as the cap keeps going up. It will not go up much in 2014 or 2015.

What Jerruh is gambling on is that the cap will go up substantially in 2016 and the next couple of years after that.

If that does not happen we are in big trouble.


And it is certainly not a sure thing the cap will go up enough for what we are doing.

The new TV contracts are already signed. The cap is going up. It went up $2.4m this year when everyone said it would be flat for the next three years. And Dallas won't have the 5m penalty next year.