Ed Hochuli responds

[WoodysGirl]

Sorry but that's just not right. You're basically saying "Win by a lot or it's your fault if a ref screws up". That's just BS.

Especially since the bad call occured with less than a minute left in the game.

No, I'm saying, don't give up 31 points and put yourself in a messed up position to begin with.

Not to mention, as a previous poster mentioned, the Chargers also got screwed earlier in the game on a Chambers fumble that wasn't a chambers fumble.


People that say "refs don't decide games" are clueless. As long as there are refs ON THE FIELD, then yes, they have the ability to change the outcome of a game. Hochaloogy did it on sunday.

Of course, officials have the ability to change the game. Again, no argument there.

 

[Rack]

I agree many games are decided in the final seconds, but giving up 31 points at that point leads me to believe they were having trouble stopping them anyway. That play was critical, but if they'd stopped them any of the other times they scored, they wouldn't have been in that position to begin with.

Sorry but that's a weak argument. The chargers DID stop them when they had to, but the ref's bad call screwed them over and took away that "Stop".


But since they didn't stop them earlier, it's their own fault... No, it isn't.


The ref cost the chargers the game, plain and simple.

 

[Rack]

No, I'm saying, don't give up 31 points and put yourself in a messed up position to begin with.

So basically your saying, if you face a high powered offense and a shootout ensues (sp?), it's your fault if you lose even if a ref blows a call with less than a minute to go that would have given you the win?


Yeah, that makes no sense whatsoever. The Broncos had given up 38 points, but they deserve to win even if the ref screwed up? Ummm, no.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Games are decided in the final minutes/seconds quite a bit in the NFL. I don't buy that line of thinking at all. It's nice that he apologized but I don't know know why any ref would ever have blown that play dead. Just plain stupid.

It's just like a QB throwing into double coverage and it getting picked off. As humans, we make stupid, bonehead decisions that adversely affect what's going on. Ask DeSean Jackson. Granted, Philthy ended up scoring, but what if they hadn't?

IMO, and I'm sure I'm in the minority, I think Hochuli is still one of the best refs in the league. There are much worse out there.

He made a mistake that affected the outcome of the game, but certainly didn't decide it. He owned up to his mistake.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

It's just like a QB throwing into double coverage and it getting picked off. As humans, we make stupid, bonehead decisions that adversely affect what's going on. Ask DeSean Jackson. Granted, Philthy ended up scoring, but what if they hadn't?

IMO, and I'm sure I'm in the minority, I think Hochuli is still one of the best refs in the league. There are much worse out there.

He made a mistake that affected the outcome of the game, but certainly didn't decide it. He owned up to his mistake.

Man, is it me or have you not been posting much lately?

 

[Shaun]

You can give up 31 points every game as long as you score 38.

 

[Rack]

It's just like a QB throwing into double coverage and it getting picked off. As humans, we make stupid, bonehead decisions that adversely affect what's going on. Ask DeSean Jackson. Granted, Philthy ended up scoring, but what if they hadn't?

IMO, and I'm sure I'm in the minority, I think Hochuli is still one of the best refs in the league. There are much worse out there.

He made a mistake that affected the outcome of the game, but certainly didn't decide it. He owned up to his mistake.

According to PFT (which I put about as much stock into as I would a pile of bird poop) Jerry Jones says Hochaloogy is often critized about his officiating.


It sure seems like he gets flag happy against the cowboys.

 

[Rack]

You can give up 31 points every game as long as you score 38.

 

[WV Cowboy]

It's great to always have someone else to blame when you don't do enough to win.

Because if it is someone or something else's fault, then it is not your fault.

"The sun was in my eyes, the grass was too wet, the ball was slick, my shoe was untied, it was too muddy."

Because if the Chargers can blame the ref, then they don't have to own up to the fact that it was them that allowed the Broncos to score 31 pts. prior to the bad call. They don't have to own up to the fact that they let the Broncos score from the 10, they don't have to own up to the fact that they allowed the Broncos to get a 2 pt conversion.

It's not the Chargers fault, it's the refs.

There, doesn't that feel better.

 

[Rack]

It's great to always have someone else to blame when you don't do enough to win.

Hmmm... you mean like recovering a fumble in the last minute of the game that would have given your team a 38-31 victory?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

It might be wrong, but if I would have been Ed I would have definitely been looking very hard to find a hold or other penalty against Denver on those last 2 Denver plays, knowing my screw up had taken a win away from SD and the game should have already been decided.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Man, is it me or have you not been posting much lately?

I've been around. Need to post more though. Makes for good bathroom material.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

It might be wrong, but if I would have been Ed I would have definitely been looking very hard to find a hold or other penalty against Denver on those last 2 Denver plays, knowing my screw up had taken a win away from SD and the game should have already been decided.

Two wrongs don't make a right ... and all the other appropriate cliches

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Dear Ed:

Mistakes happen.
It wasn't as if you did it on purpose.
Had the call been against the 'Boys I'd be madder than a trucker in stuck traffic. But that is the nature of the fan beast.
So quit kicking yourself over it.
If you were perfect you'd be the commish.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Hmmm... you mean like recovering a fumble in the last minute of the game that would have given your team a 38-31 victory?

The play was blown dead before the fumble was recovered.

The ref blew the call, ... but he did not give the Broncos a TD, or the 2 pt conversion.

The Chargers allowed them to score from the 10, and they allowed a 2 pt conversion.

We are only discussing it because it happened late in the game.

 

[Vtwin]

I agree many games are decided in the final seconds, but giving up 31 points at that point leads me to believe they were having trouble stopping them anyway. That play was critical, but if they'd stopped them any of the other times they scored, they wouldn't have been in that position to begin with.

Again who's arguing that it WASN'T a bad call? It was a bad call. Pure and simple. No argument to be had there.

Point still remains is you keep 'em out of the end zone before that point and then that bad call might not have had such an impact on the game.

So by that logic we shouldn't have won that Buffalo game last year. I mean we kept just giving them the ball and allowing them to score time after time. Because we sucked so bad up until that point we should never have been allowed to try the long field goal (twice) to win the game at the end.Oh boy.................

 

[CoCo]

I don't quite know the best way to put this.

Its certainly laudable for the coach and players to take responsibility for their own shortcomings when they fail to win a game. I fully expect that Norv and his players are working on their own shortcomings again this week, just like every other week. There is always work to be done, win or lose.

As Norv said, that score is never gonna change from 39-38 Denver. In that sense the Chargers recognize its time to move on.

And as much as I am an advocate of taking personal responsibility, I cannot buy the perspective that some are advocating here of "don't put yourself in that situation."

I wish I could put that into words better, but I think its wrong.

 

[Vtwin]

It's great to always have someone else to blame when you don't do enough to win.

Because if it is someone or something else's fault, then it is not your fault.

"The sun was in my eyes, the grass was too wet, the ball was slick, my shoe was untied, it was too muddy."

Because if the Chargers can blame the ref, then they don't have to own up to the fact that it was them that allowed the Broncos to score 31 pts. prior to the bad call. They don't have to own up to the fact that they let the Broncos score from the 10, they don't have to own up to the fact that they allowed the Broncos to get a 2 pt conversion.

It's not the Chargers fault, it's the refs.

There, doesn't that feel better.

Dude, They made the play. They forced the scramble and the attempted throw on the run. They were in position to recover the ball an end the game. They made THE PLAY to win the game and it was taken away from them. Your logic is.. well... not logical.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

People that say "refs don't decide games" are clueless. As long as there are refs ON THE FIELD, then yes, they have the ability to change the outcome of a game. Hochaloogy did it on sunday.

I agree. No doubt Refs can decide games one way or another. Makes you scratch your head and question things about a certain ref. I thought the job he did in the preseason Cowboys/Denver game was terrible too. Something fishy with this guy. I feel bad for the Chargers and their fans not Ed Hochuli.

 

[jackrussell]

People deserve a response.

People deserve nothing.

He's not in denial. He owned up to it, and that's it.

Most people would make an excuse.