Edge could be a sneaky need?

[Cowboyny]

Our LB play was a BIG reason we suffered against the run. Drew Sanders could fix that.

I like Sanders, but worry he is still learning how to play the position, love him at 58, too rich for 26

 

[Cowboyny]

OL, TE, DT all walk in starters in R1.
Could use 3-4 another positions as well for day 1 depth. WR, FS, LB, CB.

But Edge isn't even on the radar and might not make game 1 active status.
Edge and QB are easily two strongest positions in Dallas.

CeeDee worked because you had 3 starting spots at WR.
Parsons worked because you could play him as a pass rusher, off ball linebacker or hybrid.

They didn't dump a 1st into a QB to set him for 3 years like GB largely because that is insane.

Fans wildly overrate Edge today because they ignore how the positional change has made them far easily to find than when teams were spreading them thin between 4-3 DE, 3-4 DE and OLB

If he get Rush the passer he will play. Quinn is all about playing a deep rotation and probably overused Parsons last yr.

 

[Spottswoode]

Our LB play was a BIG reason we suffered against the run. Drew Sanders could fix that.

A big 1T is also a big reason our run defense suffered and I think that would improve our LB play. Hankins is a good baby step.

 

[Cowboyny]

A big 1T is also a big reason our run defense suffered and I think that would improve our LB play. Hankins is a good baby step.

Nobody says it, but Parsons was terrible setting the edge and we got killed on many outside runs to his side, especially early on in the season

 

[Spottswoode]

I advocate for using brains.
You don't draft guys R1 you don't have a game day slot for.

Drafting a singular position because you need it is very, very bad.
Avoiding a position, you are loaded in however, is the opposite of bad.

I do wonder if fans pay any attention at all or just post here for vibes.
Last year Dallas cut 2-3 guys that were legit NFL edges that got snaps elsewhere.
An impressive young R2 didn't get nearly enough snaps and was one of many guys rotated into inactive status.

Now I have high level thinkers suggesting we just go get another one of those guys at the expense of the 5-6 positions where an R1 starts.

Why so salty…you obviously have strong opinions but this seems personal to you.

Bottom line is if the Cowboys have a 1st round grade on McDonald, you can bet he will be in consideration at 26 and neither your assessment nor mine will have an impact on that decision. And I guarantee if he has a 1st round grade, they do not agree with your assessment that he will be a benchwarmer. You can debate whether he is worth it or we are “loaded” but the Cowboys have some decisions to make this year and moving forward at a pretty important position and this class has talent at the top. Same types of decisions at CB, RB, & WR. And who cares if we cut DE’s who played elsewhere. Sounds like someone felt like they weren’t good enough to play here. Maybe that means they still haven’t found what they are looking for. This isn’t fantasy football where you play to win this year then get to start over. Seems to me that they have given themselves a lot of flexibility to go where they want. Your opinion of where the value is or who deserves to go where isn’t any more relevant than mine or anyone else on the board.

 

[xwalker]

A big 1T is also a big reason our run defense suffered and I think that would improve our LB play. Hankins is a good baby step.

More size at 3tech would be very helpful.

A pure 1tech is just not going to play a high percentage of snaps.

 

[LatinMind]

Lol what's with the draft nothing but extra light players. Want a 160lb wr and cb. Now 235lb DE?

 

[xwalker]

Why so salty…you obviously have strong opinions but this seems personal to you.

Bottom line is if the Cowboys have a 1st round grade on McDonald, you can bet he will be in consideration at 26 and neither your assessment nor mine will have an impact on that decision. And I guarantee if he has a 1st round grade, they do not agree with your assessment that he will be a benchwarmer. You can debate whether he is worth it or we are “loaded” but the Cowboys have some decisions to make this year and moving forward at a pretty important position and this class has talent at the top. Same types of decisions at CB, RB, & WR. And who cares if we cut DE’s who played elsewhere. Sounds like someone felt like they weren’t good enough to play here. Maybe that means they still haven’t found what they are looking for. This isn’t fantasy football where you play to win this year then get to start over. Seems to me that they have given themselves a lot of flexibility to go where they want. Your opinion of where the value is or who deserves to go where isn’t any more relevant than mine or anyone else on the board.

The Cowboys normally have about 18 players with 1st round picks.

When they have a pick in the twenties, their top goal is for one of those players to drop to their pick.

If that happens, then they'll likely take that player regardless of position.
- Probably not a QB, but any other position is in play (I think).

If one of those players they have rated as a legit 1st round pick does not drop to #26, then...
- They'll take a player from their next tier.
- Obviously then position value and need come into play (unless they only have 1 player in the next tier...).
- I think they divide the 2nd round into 2 tiers.
- I don't think they divide the 3rd and later rounds into tiers.

McDonald: Some teams probably rate him as a 1st rounder but other probably don't.

 

[Cowboyny]

The Cowboys normally have about 18 players with 1st round picks.

When they have a pick in the twenties, their top goal is for one of those players to drop to their pick.

If that happens, then they'll likely take that player regardless of position.
- Probably not a QB, but any other position is in play (I think).

If one of those players they have rated as a legit 1st round pick does not drop to #26, then...
- They'll take a player from their next tier.
- Obviously then position value and need come into play (unless they only have 1 player in the next tier...).
- I think they divide the 2nd round into 2 tiers.
- I don't think they divide the 3rd and later rounds into tiers.

McDonald: Some teams probably rate him as a 1st rounder but other probably don't.

All based on how they build their board, when tags are touching, pretty sure need positions will receive the higher grade.

 

[Beaker42]

I like Sanders, but worry he is still learning how to play the position, love him at 58, too rich for 26

He won’t make it to 58. He’s a combo of Sean Lee and some JAG named TJ Watt.

 

[Cowboyny]

He won’t make it to 58. He’s a combo of Sean Lee and some JAG named TJ Watt.

Probably unlikely, but if teams view him more off the ball, could happen

 

[Spottswoode]

More size at 3tech would be very helpful.

A pure 1tech is just not going to play a high percentage of snaps.

I agree. My point was having more meat up front that can occupy double teams and clog lanes can help keep LB’s cleaner. I said 1T because they are typically more focused on the run and most often double teamed. I don’t care where they play if they get the job done.

 

[Spottswoode]

If one of those players they have rated as a legit 1st round pick does not drop to #26, then...
- They'll take a player from their next tier.

Or trade down

 

[CowboyoWales]

I like Sanders, but worry he is still learning how to play the position, love him at 58, too rich for 26

Nobody says it, but Parsons was terrible setting the edge and we got killed on many outside runs to his side, especially early on in the season

Brugler highlighted "Sanders must become a more skilled tackle finisher" and if we add that to Micah's propensity to pass-rush, (over playing the run) would we be event more exposed to RPO (as in the Lincoln Field).

I get the appeal of another pass-rusher, especially from the middle, but does this question mark over a 'primary' function take him out of the 1st Rd Grade convo?

 

[darthseinfeld]

A pure 1tech is just not going to play a high percentage of snaps.

There are two in this draft that probably would. Benton and Roy. Both will come in a 3 down players. However, the question is will Quinn play a DT at a 1T on passing down, or will he play both at a 3T. Eye test say the latter. That why I see Benton as an unlikely draft pick, as he is probably a 2nd rounder. Roy is probably more likely as he is a guy that should go late 3rd. However you said "pure 1T", and right now Roy is probably more of a hybrid 1T/3T who will grow into a pure 1T when he adds weight and strength.

 

[Cowboyny]

Brugler highlighted "Sanders must become a more skilled tackle finisher" and if we add that to Micah's propensity to pass-rush, (over playing the run) would we be event more exposed to RPO (as in the Lincoln Field).

I get the appeal of another pass-rusher, especially from the middle, but does this question mark over a 'primary' function take him out of the 1st Rd Grade convo?

I believe so. Team who drafts him is drafting him as an off the ball linebacker with 3 down abilities.

 

[Spottswoode]

There are two in this draft that probably would. Benton and Roy. Both will come in a 3 down players. However, the question is will Quinn play a DT at a 1T on passing down, or will he play both at a 3T. Eye test say the latter. That why I see Benton as an unlikely draft pick, as he is probably a 2nd rounder. Roy is probably more likely as he is a guy that should go late 3rd. However you said "pure 1T", and right now Roy is probably more of a hybrid 1T/3T who will grow into a pure 1T when he adds weight and strength.

Again I simply responded to a post that said our LB play was a big reason our run defense suffered. IMO, a big, run stuffing 1T would likely also improve our LB play against the rush. I never said anything about the draft. This was strictly referring to suffering LB play. I don’t care where the player comes from as long as he can get the job done.

If you do want to talk about this draft, I love Roy and he was one of my pet cats on that post. Another pet cat was Brodric Martin who could likely be had in R6-7. Others likely available late or as UFA’s are Keondre Coburn, Jerrod Clark, Cameron Young, DJ Dale, and PJ Mustipher. I would be fine getting any of those players as developmental guys late. There are also some FA’s out there.

 

[jterrell]

Why so salty…you obviously have strong opinions but this seems personal to you.

Bottom line is if the Cowboys have a 1st round grade on McDonald, you can bet he will be in consideration at 26 and neither your assessment nor mine will have an impact on that decision. And I guarantee if he has a 1st round grade, they do not agree with your assessment that he will be a benchwarmer. You can debate whether he is worth it or we are “loaded” but the Cowboys have some decisions to make this year and moving forward at a pretty important position and this class has talent at the top. Same types of decisions at CB, RB, & WR. And who cares if we cut DE’s who played elsewhere. Sounds like someone felt like they weren’t good enough to play here. Maybe that means they still haven’t found what they are looking for. This isn’t fantasy football where you play to win this year then get to start over. Seems to me that they have given themselves a lot of flexibility to go where they want. Your opinion of where the value is or who deserves to go where isn’t any more relevant than mine or anyone else on the board.

Saltiness is over wasting my time when people are ignoring basic math to love up a pet cat.
The most useless of all draft exercises.

Dallas has 6 legit Edges on the roster already. Of those they can bring 4/5 to game days.
And we had all of last year to experience issue that real time.
(Pretty easy to argue drafting a WR R2 and Edge R3 would have made that team significantly better).

But you are 100% correct in that Dallas will do what they want regardless.
They had shown zero indication they valued RB at top of R1 before they took Zeke even after having much success with Barber and Murray.

So we can debate what Dallas does or is likely to do but we can't debate is basic math.
The roster limit and active game day roster number is set.

FWIW Dane has Will McDonald at 46th overall.

 

[Spottswoode]

FWIW Dane has Will McDonald at 46th overall.

I think he will go before that but if I had to bet, not in the first. I don’t know if Dane’s rankings were prospects or picks but you know how teams value that position. I would rather trade down unless someone falls but who knows what the Cowboy’s grades are.

 

[morasp]

I wouldn't be surprised to see McDonald go right around 26, NFL has him ranked 23-25