Edge Rusher Post Combine Stock

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Stock up: Jordan Willis, Kansas State

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/jordan-willis

This one was a head scratcher.

It wasn’t surprising that Willis performed at an elite level in the jumps and 40/10-yard splits as he is a very linear and explosive athlete on film, but his performances in the agility drills were incredibly surprising as he appeared to lack flexibility at Kansas State.

Willis tested into at least the 93rd percentile in every drill except for the 20-yard shuttle, where he tested into the 80th percentile. Willis’ numbers even dwarf other freak athletes that have come out of college recently:

Clowney

4.53 (1.59)
21 bench
37.5" vert
10'4 broad
7.27 3C
4.43 SS

Willis

4.53 (1.54)
24 bench
39" vert
10'5 broad
6.85 3C
4.28 SS

Willis’ athletic testing will cause a lot of people to go back to the tape to figure out the disconnect between the athleticism he showed on tape and the athleticism he showed at the combine. Is Willis just a workout warrior or did technical inadequacies cause him to look stiffer than he is on tape? That can only be answered with further evaluation.

In any event, Willis made himself some money at Lucas Oil Stadium as he likely passed the force player threshold.When you take his college production and combine in with his excellent athletic testing, you get a player who could be a surprise pick at the end of the first round, even though the traits he showcases on film don’t really warrant that.

Stock down: Charles Harris, Missouri

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/charles-harris

Coming into this weekend, Harris was seen as one of the more athletic edge defenders in this class; however, the Missouri product proved everyone wrong at the NFL Scouting Combine, and not in a good way.

Looking at Harris’ spider graph, one doesn’t get the feeling that he is the type of player who wins with athleticism. His jumps were extremely unimpressive, as neither broke the 40th percentile among edge defenders, and his 40/10-yard splits were uninspiring as well. Harris was never a super pliable edge bender so his time in the three-cone drill isn’t that surprising.

While he looked smooth in the on-field drills, Harris was extremely disappointing in his agility drills and that cost him a good deal of money on Sunday.

Taco Charlton,
on the other hand, didn’t do much to improve his stock. After wowing folks at the weigh-in where he measured in at 6-foot-6, 277 pounds with 34.25-inch arms, Charlton was unimpressive in his athletic testing. He had a poor 10/40-yard splits, and he was extremely average in the rest of the drills as he tested around the 60th percentile in all of his other drills.

This kind of average testing may cause some to slow down on the top 10 talk, but it likely doesn’t do enough to push Charlton out of the first round for those that like him.

UCLA’s Takkarist McKinley
proved that he is the explosive athlete that he appeared to be on film, but he also tested poorly in the agility drills. He tested into the 95th percentile with his 40-yard dash, the 86th percentile with his broad jump and the 50th percentile in his vertical jump, but also test below the 15th percentile in three-cone and short shuttle drills.

This is troubling because it makes it appear as though McKinley’s pad level could be due to a lack of flexibility and not inexperience, which hurt his projection a bit.

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Harris very disappointing, he needs to have a strong performance at his pro day. I was never a big fan of Charlton on our defense anyway...not on an indoor team. We need speed all over the front 7...which it looks like Harris can't provide either :(
 

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I think it's pretty unfair to lump 6'6 277 lb Taco in with the 6'3 260 pound guys like he's supposed to be the same type of athlete. While his #'s weren't overly impressive, I don't think they were bad enough to hurt his stock either. 6'6 with a 7.1 3 cone time is actually pretty good, and he shows the type of bend needed to get around the edge on tape. If he lurns to use his arm length to his advantage consistently he could be really good.
 

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I think it's pretty unfair to lump 6'6 277 lb Taco in with the 6'3 260 pound guys like he's supposed to be the same type of athlete. While his #'s weren't overly impressive, I don't think they were bad enough to hurt his stock either. 6'6 with a 7.1 3 cone time is actually pretty good, and he shows the type of bend needed to get around the edge on tape. If he lurns to use his arm length to his advantage consistently he could be really good.

He is a 5 tek in a 4-3, we have like 5 of those guys already. I don't think he can play the 7 quick end.
 

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It looks like lack of flexibility is one of the cottage industry group thinks this year. Willis is a beast. I liked him better than several people listed in the first round and would not hate it if we picked him. We are getting a quality player at DE this year.
 

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He is a 5 tek in a 4-3, we have like 5 of those guys already. I don't think he can play the 7 quick end.

And I'm sure you said the same garbage about Bosa last year. Not every DE needs to be a quick twitch freak arhlete to get to the QB. Look at the guys who got 10+ sacks in the NFL last year, a good amount wouldn't fit your description of a "quick end"

I think Mayock's Carlos Dunlap comparison is pretty good...a guy we should be extremely happy drafting at 28 if Taco can live up to his potential
 

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And I'm sure you said the same garbage about Bosa last year. Not every DE needs to be a quick twitch freak arhlete to get to the QB. Look at the guys who got 10+ sacks in the NFL last year, a good amount wouldn't fit your description of a "quick end"

I think Mayock's Carlos Dunlap comparison is pretty good...a guy we should be extremely happy drafting at 28 if Taco can live up to his potential

FYI quick end is the commonplace name for the RDE. And I will say again, the 'quick end' position doesn't seem to suit him, he looks more like a 'strong end' to me. And Dallas needs a quick end. Most of his best tape is from the left side as a 5T not a 7t. It's fine for him to be great from that side. But we need a RDE
 

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FYI quick end is the commonplace name for the RDE. And I will say again, the 'quick end' position doesn't seem to suit him, he looks more like a 'strong end' to me. And Dallas needs a quick end. Most of his best tape is from the left side as a 5T not a 7t. It's fine for him to be great from that side. But we need a RDE

No, Dallas needs someone to get pressure on the QB by any means possible. While you're trying to force fit a very specific type of player, I'll just take the guy who's a better football player.

And out of curiosity, who are the quick ends you're targeting over Taco?
 

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Stock up: Jordan Willis, Kansas State

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/jordan-willis

This one was a head scratcher.

It wasn’t surprising that Willis performed at an elite level in the jumps and 40/10-yard splits as he is a very linear and explosive athlete on film, but his performances in the agility drills were incredibly surprising as he appeared to lack flexibility at Kansas State.

Willis tested into at least the 93rd percentile in every drill except for the 20-yard shuttle, where he tested into the 80th percentile. Willis’ numbers even dwarf other freak athletes that have come out of college recently:

Clowney

4.53 (1.59)
21 bench
37.5" vert
10'4 broad
7.27 3C
4.43 SS

Willis

4.53 (1.54)
24 bench
39" vert
10'5 broad
6.85 3C
4.28 SS

Willis’ athletic testing will cause a lot of people to go back to the tape to figure out the disconnect between the athleticism he showed on tape and the athleticism he showed at the combine. Is Willis just a workout warrior or did technical inadequacies cause him to look stiffer than he is on tape? That can only be answered with further evaluation.

In any event, Willis made himself some money at Lucas Oil Stadium as he likely passed the force player threshold.When you take his college production and combine in with his excellent athletic testing, you get a player who could be a surprise pick at the end of the first round, even though the traits he showcases on film don’t really warrant that.

Stock down: Charles Harris, Missouri

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/charles-harris

Coming into this weekend, Harris was seen as one of the more athletic edge defenders in this class; however, the Missouri product proved everyone wrong at the NFL Scouting Combine, and not in a good way.

Looking at Harris’ spider graph, one doesn’t get the feeling that he is the type of player who wins with athleticism. His jumps were extremely unimpressive, as neither broke the 40th percentile among edge defenders, and his 40/10-yard splits were uninspiring as well. Harris was never a super pliable edge bender so his time in the three-cone drill isn’t that surprising.

While he looked smooth in the on-field drills, Harris was extremely disappointing in his agility drills and that cost him a good deal of money on Sunday.

Taco Charlton,
on the other hand, didn’t do much to improve his stock. After wowing folks at the weigh-in where he measured in at 6-foot-6, 277 pounds with 34.25-inch arms, Charlton was unimpressive in his athletic testing. He had a poor 10/40-yard splits, and he was extremely average in the rest of the drills as he tested around the 60th percentile in all of his other drills.

This kind of average testing may cause some to slow down on the top 10 talk, but it likely doesn’t do enough to push Charlton out of the first round for those that like him.

UCLA’s Takkarist McKinley
proved that he is the explosive athlete that he appeared to be on film, but he also tested poorly in the agility drills. He tested into the 95th percentile with his 40-yard dash, the 86th percentile with his broad jump and the 50th percentile in his vertical jump, but also test below the 15th percentile in three-cone and short shuttle drills.

This is troubling because it makes it appear as though McKinley’s pad level could be due to a lack of flexibility and not inexperience, which hurt his projection a bit.

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This is why there are so many busts in the nfl because more and more emphasis is being placed on measurements and drills in spandex than with pads on the field playing the game. The combine is a joke if u ask me. Run in a straight line for 40 yrds because DEs and OT do that. Bench press 225 the most times as u can and risk a injury because we still dont know if ur strong enough, eventhough u play against 330lb lineman.
 

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This is why there are so many busts in the nfl because more and more emphasis is being placed on measurements and drills in spandex than with pads on the field playing the game. The combine is a joke if u ask me. Run in a straight line for 40 yrds because DEs and OT do that. Bench press 225 the most times as u can and risk a injury because we still dont know if ur strong enough, eventhough u play against 330lb lineman.
Respectfully disagree. Tests measure explosion, burst, speed and strength. The most important part of the combine is the drills. Those drills show a lot. Put the tests, drills and game tape together and you find your players normally.
 

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No, Dallas needs someone to get pressure on the QB by any means possible. While you're trying to force fit a very specific type of player, I'll just take the guy who's a better football player.

And out of curiosity, who are the quick ends you're targeting over Taco?
Taco isn't a 7T IMO. So none. We have Irving Crawford and dlaw that can play the 5. I'm not force fitting anything. It's the state of our roster. Our 7T is Benson. We need a guy there.
 

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FYI quick end is the commonplace name for the RDE. And I will say again, the 'quick end' position doesn't seem to suit him, he looks more like a 'strong end' to me. And Dallas needs a quick end. Most of his best tape is from the left side as a 5T not a 7t. It's fine for him to be great from that side. But we need a RDE

I watched the Stanford, UT, UWV, and Arkansas games and I just double checked. I saw him line up wide at the 7, TE or not, or at the 6 on his shoulder most of the time. I saw him shade inside to a 4 and a 3 but I did not see him head up the OT at the 5.

Further they played the line both ways playing a 3 and a 1 next to him. He can play either spot.
 

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Surprised there was no mention of Kpassagnon in the article. Guy jumped nearly 11ft in the broad at 6'7" and 290 lbs. That's crazy. TK at LDE and Irving inside next to him would be interesting.

Called it months ago on C Harris. Actually expected him to be low 4.7s and he didn't even get there. No change of direction skills. Low explosion numbers.

I'll be very interested in Derek Barnett's Pro Day. He didn't have a great combine, but it sounds like he might not have been 100% healthy. He could drop closer to us if he doesn't improve substantially. A 4.9 40 isn't RDE territory and he already looks as big as he can get for LDE duty.

TJ Watt...yes please. Unfortunately, I think he rises ahead of pick 28 now.

Derek Rivers...going to need to watch more. I didn't really like what I watched several months ago, but I think there was only one game at the time. Athletically he fits as a RDE, but small school guys are not desired early by McClay. Wouldn't surprise me if we bend the rules a little for a RDE though and ultimately put a RD2 grade on him. Stumbled on a good article on him regarding Cowboys...

https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/cowboys/cowboys-consider-derek-rivers-first-round-nfl-draft/
 

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Taco isn't a 7T IMO. So none. We have Irving Crawford and dlaw that can play the 5. I'm not force fitting anything. It's the state of our roster. Our 7T is Benson. We need a guy there.

Who do you think is realistically available at #28?

Between the two players (Taco and Harris, I go Tavo every time because he Has the potential to man a starting spot, be it LE or RE. I think Harris is exactly what Mayowa is; rush package specialist that gives you diminishing returns the longer you play him.
 

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Who do you think is realistically available at #28?

Between the two players (Taco and Harris, I go Tavo every time because he Has the potential to man a starting spot, be it LE or RE. I think Harris is exactly what Mayowa is; rush package specialist that gives you diminishing returns the longer you play him.

I think 28 we will probably go CB. S or WR.
 
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