Eli Manning is growing into scary good, isn't he. Jerry needs to do something fast.

[RedskinsOne]

Jerral Wayne Jones, you have to pull something out of the hat. How to get that #1 pick next year and get Matt Lienart here? You need to work out the next version of The Great Train Robbery (aka The Herschel Walker trade) and try to somehow move up the draft.

QBs take at least 2 years to develop into a special player if they ever do. Aikman took three years: 89, 90, 91. Granted he was out of some of those games due to injury. Dallas needs to act fast. Else it could be the second half of the 1980s all over again.

McNabb is going to be around at least another 5 to 6 years. Manning 12 to 15. Washington has that kid Campbell they feel good about. Not sure if he'll pan out.

 

[Justis]

The Hershel Walker trade can never happen again. Essentially the way it worked back then, he was an exclusive rights player for his entire career. 'Sides while Eli did real well, I don't think the Rams are a very good team. I'll never want us to throw away a franchise in a crap shoot for a top draft pick QB.

 

[Cowboyfan81]

Dallas needs to act fast? What about the Foreskins? Oh wait, I forgot, you guys have your future pro-bowler in Campbell!

 

[rcaldw]

I don't care if I get shouted down, I will continue to say it because I'm convinced of it.

There is no reason that Drew Henson cannot be a franchise QB here. Not one good reason.

If I was Jones I would have a QB guru here (like Norv was for Aikman; and Jerry Rhome before him), and I would have given him this team LAST YEAR. I would have played him from Thanksgiving day on and never jerked him.

Eli looked AWFUL at times last year. AWFUL. But he got to keep playing.

No way it is going to happen this year. Too much has been invested in winning NOW, and given the present circumstances I WOULD PLAY DREW BLEDSOE. But I'm telling you now that if this season goes south, it would be an IDIOT who plays Tony Romo. That guy is a career backup. I would go directly to Henson. I don't mind him being #3 at all right now because he gets to run the scout team and actually gets more QB work during the week than Romo does. But if the season goes south, PLEASE try to develop a guy who actually has the upside.

 

[Idgit]

Quick, somebody trade a 3rd for Mark Brunell. Oh, wait.

 

[rags747]

Listen, last year I was convinced that Eli was a bust...he just looked so bad.

Anyway, the Giants did it right with starting him last year. We should have done the same thing with Drew. Drew would be in year two now and would have learned alot from last year. There is no way that this guy can't succeed. Just let him throw the damn ball and stop messing with his mechanics. No one has messed with the delivery of Phillips.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I wouldnt say scary good. I really havent seen him make 2nd and 3rd progressions. His first read is almost always open. And if hes not, hell still try and force it.(Especially to Jeremy Cockey)

But the arm is definetely there.

 

[SacredStar]

Eli has had two games, the last two to be precise, where he has looked good.

His first two games he went 23/47 for 337 yards with 3 TD's and 2 INT's for QB rating of 67.5....that's two games where he was below average.

He just played against two straight vanilla defenses and had two good games. Way too early to tell if he has actually progressed until he faces a little tougher competition and wins consistantly vs. solid defenses.

Bledsoe>Eli Manning

 

[Paniolo22]

Drew Henson = Patrick Ramsey

Confidence right down the crapper, will do better with another team. Maybe a new coach will give Henson a chance.
Under Parcells, this is Henson :shatfan:

 

[ChocolateCitySkin]

Drew Henson = Patrick Ramsey

Confidence right down the crapper, will do better with another team. Maybe a new coach will give Henson a chance.
Under Parcells, this is Henson :shatfan:

Yeah, blame it on the confidence. Ramsey just makes stupid decisions-- As for QBs we just need a "game manager."

 

[Westcoasthabsfan]

Jerral Wayne Jones, you have to pull something out of the hat. How to get that #1 pick next year and get Matt Lienart here? You need to work out the next version of The Great Train Robbery (aka The Herschel Walker trade) and try to somehow move up the draft.

QBs take at least 2 years to develop into a special player if they ever do. Aikman took three years: 89, 90, 91. Granted he was out of some of those games due to injury. Dallas needs to act fast. Else it could be the second half of the 1980s all over again.

McNabb is going to be around at least another 5 to 6 years. Manning 12 to 15. Washington has that kid Campbell they feel good about. Not sure if he'll pan out.

The kid is playing WAY OVER HIS HEAD....he will come crashing back down to earth anyday now

 

[dstew60105]

Quick, somebody trade a 3rd for Mark Brunell. Oh, wait.

A third and a 8 million signing bonus

 

[Wolverine]

Drew Henson = Patrick Ramsey

Confidence right down the crapper, will do better with another team. Maybe a new coach will give Henson a chance.
Under Parcells, this is Henson :shatfan:

I believe Parcells has ruined Henson. Henson looked alot better last year. This year he looked totally lost.

 

[wileedog]

I believe Parcells has ruined Henson. Henson looked alot better last year. This year he looked totally lost.

He looked totally lost in the Chicago game too.

Patience. This TC he looked like he was distracted by the new mechanics. By next TC they should be more natural, and he should look more fluid.

Romo took a nice leap from year 2 to year 3, I wouldn't be surprised if Henson did too.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I will again post this article "It's the QB Stupid!!!". To me this is not Rocket Science, and it is a very real and direct correlation between the QB play and how well a team does over a certain decade or so.

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It's the Quarterback...Stupid!
Febuary 24, 2005
By: Michael D. Green
Dallascowboyz.com - Staff Writer

Many Analyst, General Managers and Coaches believe that for a franchise to have continued success in the NFL, in most situations, there must be quality, continuity, talent and experience at the quarterback position. Once a team decides to march down the long and rough road of the "rebuilding process", the first questions that should be asked is who will be playing quarterback for the franchise for the next several years. Once a franchise has scouted, evaluated and subsequently drafted or acquired a young quarterback, who they feel has the potential to be a franchise quarterback, for the most part, the young quarterback should be brought along very slowly, if that option is available.

In my humble opinion, the young quarterback should get every possible opportunity to play to gain some valuable real game experience to get a better handle on the speed of the game, becoming familiar with his supporting cast, getting an opportunity to run the offense and to experience some success early in his short career. Constantly bringing in veterans as starter to take away valuable playing time from a young quarterback can be very detrimental to that quarterback's development, especially if the young quarterback rarely gets snaps in practice, can never get any playing time in blowout situations, and last but not least, it has become painfully obvious that the team will not make the playoffs.

At this time, the Dallas Cowboys Organization does not seem to be interested in heeding the advice of your humble servant, with regards to how to handle a young quarterback. Because of the aforementioned fact, I decided to do some light research on my own to see what exactly other successful franchises are doing to address their quarterback needs. In this article I just wanted to provide some qualitative data from the past 4 NFL Seasons that gives some insight into how successful teams handle their particular quarterback situation. The qualitative data below neither proves nor disproves my beliefs I have previously stated regarding how an NFL Franchise handles a young quarterback. I just wanted to provide some data so one can get a sense of how successful teams throughout the NFL have handled the quarterback position for the last 4 NFL Seasons and to provide a few facts about how the lack of continuity at the quarterback position has affected the Dallas Cowboys in general.
The Dallas Cowboys
* The Cowboys have won a total of 5 Super Bowls. Each quarterback that started in those Super Bowls were all quarterbacks the Cowboys drafted.
* The Cowboys have had 7 players start at quarterback since Troy Aikman retired, which is second only to the Chicago Bears.
* As the 2005 Season approaches, Bill Parcells will be in his 3rd year as head coach and coincidentally has had a new quarterback each of those 3 seasons (assuming Drew Bledsoe wins the starting job).
* Since the 2000 Season, Troy Aikman's last year, the cowobys have Posted 26 Wins and 39 Losses and have only had 1 Playoff appearance.

The 2004-2005 Season

10 out of the 12 teams in the 2004-2005 Playoffs drafted and/or had a quarterback that spent the majority of their pro careers with the team (years,playing time, etc etc).

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Chargers Drew Brees
Colts Peyton Manning
Eagles Donovan McNabb
Falcons Michael Vick
Jets Chad Pennington
Packers Packers *(Brett Favre played all but 1 year for the Packers)
Patriots Tom Brady
Rams Marc Bulger
Steelers Ben Roethlisberger
Vikings Daunte Culpepper

The 2 other Teams in the 2004 Playoffs.

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Broncos Jake Plummer had been with the team for 2 years.
Seahawks Matt Hasselbeck had been with the team for 3 years.

The 4 teams that participated in the 2004-2005 Conference Championships drafted and/or had a quarterback that spent the majority of their pro careers with the team (years,playing time, etc etc).

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Eagles Donovan McNabb
Falcons Michael Vick
Patriots Tom Brady
Steelers Ben Roethlisberger

The 2 teams that participated in the 2004-2005 Super Bowl drafted and/or had a quarterback that spent the majority of their pro careers with the team (years,playing time,etc etc).

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Eagles Donovan McNabb
Patriots Tom Brady

The 2003-2004 Season

9 out of the 12 teams in the 2003-2004 playoffs drafted and/or had a quarterback that spent the majority of their pro careers with the team (years,playing time, etc etc).

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Colts Peyton Manning
Dallas Quincy Carter
Eagles Donovan McNabb
Packers Packers *(Brett Favre played all but 1 year for the Packers)
Panthers * (Jake Delhomme played 3 years for New Orleans but in 2 seasons he barely saw the field)
Patriots Tom Brady
Ravens Kyle Boller
Rams Marc Bulger
Titans Steve McNair

The other 3 teams in the 2003 Playoffs.

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Chiefs Trent Green had been on the team for 2 years.
Denver Jake Plummer was a first year starter.
Seahawks Matt Hasselbeck had been on the team for 2 years.

The 4 teams that participated in the 2003-2004 Conference Championships drafted and/or had a quarterback that spent the majority of their pro careers with the team (years,playing time, etc etc).

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Colts Peyton Manning
Eagles Donovan McNabb
Panthers Jake Delhomme
Patriots Tom Brady

The 2 teams that participated in the 2003-2004 Super Bowl drafted and/or had a quarterback that spent the majority of their pro careers with the team (years,playing time,etc etc).

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Panthers Jake Delhomme
Patriots Tom Brady

The 2002-2003 Season

9 out of the 12 teams in the 2002-2003 playoffs drafted and/or had a quarterback that spent the majority of their pro careers with the team (years,playing time, etc etc).

TEAM QUARTERBACK
49ers Jeff Garcia
Browns Tim Couch
Colts Peyton Manning
Eagles Donovan McNabb
Falcons Michael Vick
Jets Chad Pennington
Packers Packers *(Brett Favre played all but 1 year for the Packers)
Steelers Tommy Maddox * (see Exp. 1 at the bottom of the article)
Titans Steve McNair

The 3 other teams in the 2002 Playoffs.

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Giants Kerry Collins had been on the team for 3 years.
Oakland Rich Gannon had been on the team for 3 years.
Tampa Bay Brad Johnson had been on the team for 1 year.

The 2 of the 4 teams that participated in the 2002-2003 Conference Championships drafted and/or had a quarterback that spent the majority of their pro careers with the team (years,playing time, etc etc).

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Eagles Donovan McNabb
Titans Steve McNair

The 2001-2002 Season

8 out of the 12 teams in the 2001-2002 Playoffs drafted and/or had a quarterback that spent the majority of their pro careers with the team (years,playing time, etc etc).

TEAM QUARTERBACK
49ers Jeff Garcia
Bears Jim Miller * (see Exp. 2 at the bottom of the article)
Dolphins Jay Fiedler * (see Exp. 3 at the bottom of the article)
Eagles Donovan McNabb
Packers Packers *(Brett Favre played all but 1 year for the Packers)
Patriots Tom Brady
Rams * (Kurt Warner played all of his games as a pro with the Rams until 2004)
Steelers Kordell Stewart

The 4 other teams in the 2001 Playoffs.

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Jets Vinny Testeverde had been with the team for 3 years.
Oakland Rich Gannon had been with the team for 2 years.
Ravens Elvis Grbac was a first year starter.
Tampa Bay Brad Johnson was a first year starter.

The 4 teams that participated in the 2001-2002 Conference Championships drafted and/or had a quarterback that spent the majority of their pro careers with the team (years,playing time, etc etc).

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Eagles Donovan McNabb
Patriots Tom Brady
Rams * (Kurt Warner played all of his games as a pro with the Rams until 2004)
Steelers Kordell Stewart

The 2 Teams that participated in the 2001-2002 Super Bowl drafted and/or had a quarterback that spent the majority of their pro careers with the team (years,playing time,etc etc).

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Patriots Tom Brady
Rams * (Kurt Warner played all of his games as a pro with the Rams until 2004)

Teams who finished 2nd in their division in the 2004-2005 Season

Last but not least in the 2004 Season, 8 out of 10 (NFC East had 3 teams with 6-10 Records) of the teams that finished with the 2nd best record in their division drafted and/or had a quarterback that spent the majority of their pro careers with the team (years,playing time,etc etc).

TEAM QUARTERBACK
Giants Eli Manning
Jaguars Byron Leftwich
Jets Chad Pennington
Ravens Kyle Boller
Saints Aaron Brooks
Vikings Daunte Culpepper
Rams Marc Bulger
Commanders * (Patrick Ramsey finished up the season for Mark Brunell and he is the likely starter in 2005 as well).

Exp. 1 Tommy Maddox played for denver for 2 years, the rams for 1 and the giants for a year before joining the steelers in 2001. Besides 1 year in Denver, he rarely played. Kordell Stewart, a player they drafted as well also saw significant playing time in 2002.

Exp. 2 Jim Miller player 3 years with the Steelers and rarely got on the field while there. Shane Mathews, who played all of his games as a pro in Chicago until 2001 also saw significant playing time that season.

Exp. 3 Jay Fielder played for Philadelphia for 2 seasons and for minnesota and jacksonville for 1 season each and rarely saw action while playing for the aforementioned teams.
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[Maikeru-sama]

I just dont think you can stress enough how important it is to get the QB position settled.

I am not going to do the research, but I really wonder if a Coach has been very successful, going with 3 different QBs in each of his first 3 seasons? As we know, Parcells has done that.

I think Parcells should have drafted someone or done something about the QB position draft-wise his first or second year.

- Mike G.

 

[Martice]

Some of you guys have selected memories. Manning played more college ball than Henson. Henson barely has any football experience so to use Manning as a comparison to Henson is crazy!

I haven't seen enough of Henson to be convinced either way although some of us feel that we have seen enough to warrant him starting. I wonder if the same people who say that J. Jones ruined Carter's and Hutch's careers by starting them to early are the same people who are calling for Henson to start now.

Bill said that Hutch wasn't ready to start anybody's football team and it appears he was right. He also said that Henson wasn't ready and if he played him anyway and it was proven that he indeed was not ready for football, you can just hear the roar of fans saying that he played Drew too early and ruined his career.

Not too long ago, many here were saying how Hutch had all of the tools to be a big time QB. How wrong were we on that one? Yet still, we are so willing to repeat the same mistakes not from a previous decade but a couple of years ago.

We will see how Manning does as the year progresses. Either way, we still need to have some sort of hope for the future and if that means Henson, so be it. If it means finding someone else, that's fine too.

 

[rcaldw]

Some of you guys have selected memories. Manning played more college ball than Henson. Henson barely has any football experience so to use Manning as a comparison to Henson is crazy!

I haven't seen enough of Henson to be convinced either way although some of us feel that we have seen enough to warrant him starting. I wonder if the same people who say that J. Jones ruined Carter's and Hutch's careers by starting them to early are the same people who are calling for Henson to start now.

Bill said that Hutch wasn't ready to start anybody's football team and it appears he was right. He also said that Henson wasn't ready and if he played him anyway and it was proven that he indeed was not ready for football, you can just hear the roar of fans saying that he played Drew too early and ruined his career.

Not too long ago, many here were saying how Hutch had all of the tools to be a big time QB. How wrong were we on that one? Yet still, we are so willing to repeat the same mistakes not from a previous decade but a couple of years ago.

We will see how Manning does as the year progresses. Either way, we still need to have some sort of hope for the future and if that means Henson, so be it. If it means finding someone else, that's fine too.

Well, there was an NFL scout quoted at the end of this preseason who said that Henson now is at about the point of a graduating Senior from College. So, lets get rid of the hasn't played enough college stuff. It is not too early to begin to develop this guy, and THIS SAME SCOUT said that he thought Henson was "well worth the wait".

Like I said earlier, until this season goes south, if it does, Bledsoe has to start, but if it turns sour, it is time for them to let Henson develop by playing.

 

[wileedog]

I think Parcells should have drafted someone or done something about the QB position draft-wise his first or second year.

- Mike G.

Uh, he did. THey traded for Henson before Bill's second year.

 

[Martice]

Well, there was an NFL scout quoted at the end of this preseason who said that Henson now is at about the point of a graduating Senior from College. So, lets get rid of the hasn't played enough college stuff. It is not too early to begin to develop this guy, and THIS SAME SCOUT said that he thought Henson was "well worth the wait".

Like I said earlier, until this season goes south, if it does, Bledsoe has to start, but if it turns sour, it is time for them to let Henson develop by playing.

I appreciate your logic on this one RCALDW. However, even if Henson is playing on college level, this still brings him to the point of having to beat out the second string QB and he showed just 4 weeks ago that he couldn't. Why should he leap frog Romo? Romo looked pretty good in preseason. As a Cowboy fan, wouldn't you like to see what Romo can do in real game situations? That is unless you feel that Romo has a snowballs chance in hell to actually play well enough to take the reigns of our team?

I haven't seen enough of Henson to really say. As far as scouts go, I can find scouts that said that Hutch was this and Carter was that but we know that scouts can be wrong now can't we?

I didn't have the privilege to see Henson on a daily basis in camp. However, from what many sources in camp have been seeing, he wasn't ready to play or at least beat out Romo. What more can one say if he can't beat out Romo?

Maybe one thing.... He's not ready yet.